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Steve Jobs denies iP4 reception issues!
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The fact that you believe that is proof that you don't understand the scientific method. Numerous scientific experiments have been reported here. You refuse to accept scientific arguments and simply declare them non-scientific as if that makes it so.
I don't think the measure of whether there is an issue should be done when the cards are intentionally stacked in favor of showing there isn't one. If you hold your cell phone up right next to a cell transmitter, I would be shocked if even the most serious error wouldn't entirely disappear.
IMO, the strength of the signal is irrelevant to show an issue exists. If someone sits their phone on a table, takes a measurement, then touches a part of the phone and takes a measurement then it's safe to say the signal strength in which that particular area is bathed has not changed between the two measurements. This will accurately illustrate if a touch changes the phones ability to connect and at which speeds it will connect given the two conditions. The only thing it doesn't illustrate is what correlation there is, if any, between the severity of the discrepancy and the signal strength in an area. This isn't what is in question though. What is in question is whether a touch has a measurable and significantly detrimental effect on the antenna's ability to function well enough for the device to fulfill it's role properly.
So from now on, Apple should only sell the iPhone 4 to scientists, who can experiment with it. Because, it seems, ordinary people are upset and a lot of them have dropping calls. Also, they don't know how to hold a bloody phone!
About the Gizmodo bit - you can ignore Gizmodo and it's still a whole bunch of other news outlets.
It's everywhere, apart from a few confused heads and TUAW - the guy just acts like nothing happened.
yet despite your bombast, there's plenty of evidence of non-iP4s exhibiting the same sort of behavior, and of plenty of iP4s NOT exhibiting it, two circumstances that are relevant to your "scientific" observations yet are conveniently omitted or contradicted.
I'll quote bertrand russell on this one:
""The whole problem with the world
is that fools and fanatics
are always so certain of themselves,
but wiser people so full of doubts."
cmaier, I like the "science-not-democracy" position. But it's gotta be reasonable science, science not distorted by agendas or ignorance (in case you simply didn't know of the contradictory evidence).
I'm gonna go to the grocery store and get some stuff,
its a software issue, and if it IS hardware, then get a bumper
/endthread
its a software issue, and if it IS hardware, then get a bumper
/endthread
Actually, I think most people are reporting their own personal experiences and the hundreds of youtube videos of others reproducing the problem as well...not just Gizmodo's findings.
It may not be done in a lab with all the variables being accounted for as you seem to desire, but when it comes down to it - it is plain to see that there is an issue with the phone because by interacting with the phone the reception is destroyed.
Hardware or software issues can be determined by better men, which I hope is soon.
I personally experienced this when I tested out the issue on a strangers phone (who was just begging for people to ask him about it) the other day at an El station outside of Chicago which has a tower right next to it.
From what I am readying, the people who complain the most have no idea how hardware and software work together. They assume that a negative response to physical input is the result of a physical problem or defect. The truth about the iPhone 4 problem is not simply a physical one. It's a logical problem, which requires a logical solution.
Wireless technology has negative influences by it's surroundings, interference if you will. The design of modern phones, and computers take this into consideration and have overlapping backup frequencies. Your wireless phone (land line) does the same thing. Ever notice your 5GHz Wireless phone has multiple channels? They auto-switch, based on the different kinds of interference that you may have in your home or community.
The WiFi adaptor built in your computer does the same thing. As does your cell phone. Allegedly the actual problem in the iPhone 4 is it's switching logic. Touching the antenna and having this signal degrade is true for a given channel or frequency, but not all channels. The iPhone and all wireless devices have the same problem. This is going to be a fact forever on all wireless devices. Just understand it and accept it or become Amish.
The solution to the problem everyone is complaining about is already in the design of the phone. The solution is broken and needs a firmware update to fix. It is as simple as that. There is nothing to add to the phone or take away at the factory level.
I have said this before. Reports are coming in that some cell tower types do not have a problem with the iPhone, because of the frequencies and switching logic dedicated to that type of tower. There are two types. I am not an expert, I cannot tell you what they are, but this is what I am reading.
Let's see what happens Monday or Tuesday and stop making Apple or anyone else look like a bad guy.
Wireless technology has negative influences by it's surroundings, interference if you will. The design of modern phones, and computers take this into consideration and have overlapping backup frequencies. Your wireless phone (land line) does the same thing. Ever notice your 5GHz Wireless phone has multiple channels? They auto-switch, based on the different kinds of interference that you may have in your home or community.
The WiFi adaptor built in your computer does the same thing. As does your cell phone. Allegedly the actual problem in the iPhone 4 is it's switching logic. Touching the antenna and having this signal degrade is true for a given channel or frequency, but not all channels. The iPhone and all wireless devices have the same problem. This is going to be a fact forever on all wireless devices. Just understand it and accept it or become Amish.
The solution to the problem everyone is complaining about is already in the design of the phone. The solution is broken and needs a firmware update to fix. It is as simple as that. There is nothing to add to the phone or take away at the factory level.
I have said this before. Reports are coming in that some cell tower types do not have a problem with the iPhone, because of the frequencies and switching logic dedicated to that type of tower. There are two types. I am not an expert, I cannot tell you what they are, but this is what I am reading.
Let's see what happens Monday or Tuesday and stop making Apple or anyone else look like a bad guy.
Thank you for the privilege ....
Read cmaier's post a few posts up and you will see a superior test to what your method would be. Take it from a scientist.
But you don't have to be a scientist to see that this is not mass hysteria.
Ersistent dropped calls when holding a phone in a certain way, has nothing to do with cell towers, solar flares or whatnot. Many people have done side by side tests withnother phones that do not exhibit the same behavior. These are what you would call negative controls or negative tests in science.
The magnitude of people reporting and the number of well documented video comparisons is enough proof that the iPhone has either a hardware or a software issue. Again, no cell towers needed.
WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU CAN REPRODUCE THE IT ON ANY CELL AND WHATNOT <3333
we've most likely been living longer than you and have owned many more phones than you..
like I said, /endthread, no one is reading what you say anymore.
I've not seen a SINGLE claim that simply touching, with one finger, ANY other phone, results in that phone dropping from 5 bars to 0.
Yes, any phone will suffer signal degradation, butnthe iPhone 4 behavior is extreme and not caused merely by bLocking the antenna - it happens when you short two antennas, which no other phone has exposed.
While your idea is nice, it shows you clearly don't understand how cell phones work.
I'm gonna go to the grocery store and get some stuff,
its a software issue, and if it IS hardware, then get a bumper
/endthread
I'm also going to go to the grocery store. If it's a software issue, I'll expect Appel to fix it soon. If it's a hardware issue, I'll expect Apple to replace my defective iPhone any time I choose.
Please tell me the magic spot on any of these other phones where placing a single finger results in dropping from 5 bars to 0. Because that's what happens on the iPhone 4. We aren't talking about cupping the bottom. Were talking about one fingertip in the wrong place.
Why is it that after days and days of this discussion there is still this rampant failure to understand the difference between an attenuated signal and a lost signal? Do you also not know the difference between a car that slows down and a car that stops?
Yes, it's true that you can knock one or two bars off the signal on other phones by wrapping your hand around the antenna area near the bottom. But here, many demonstrations have shown that all you need to do is place a fingertip in a single spot on the exterior and kill the signal entirely. Not just the meter, but the actual signal. Any calls will be dropped and data transmissions will grind to a halt. And the cause is not obstruction of radio waves (as is the case with other phones), but the bridging of the two antennas.
And apple is not respected company?
And their interest never crash with yours?
Lots of ********!
Like British journalist (non only BBC) ignoring The Lancaster Agreement when covering Zimbabwe/GBritain feud?
Yeah!
NYtimes also IS respected, even so it went covering up Bush shenanigans.
What is truth to you may not be for me.
I understand that, the problem is that you do not.
It happens three feet from a microcell. It happens on university avenue in palo alto. It happens on route 280 in Cupertino. Who cares if I am under a cell tower? It's not supposed to happen ANYWHERE and it does not happen with any other phone.
And, once more with feeling, your signal UNDER a cell tower is weak, because the cells don't radiate straight down.
I asked first - show me where any phone you listed as having the same problem has that behavior ANYWHERE. Tell me where to touch my nexus one and what latitude and longitude to go to to make it happen.
Well you certainly don't make that easy...
One point - the guy with the microcell whose experiment you dissed - the reason you gave was that even though he was 3 feet away from his microcell, he might have been picking up a different signal.
Well earlier in this thread, or perhaps another one, he made it clear that he knows he is connected to his microcell because the network name on his phone changes to "AT&T Microcell" (or something like that) when he is using it - when he is not using it it just says the regular "AT&T"