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I will give it a couple more days but if that's true then I will just return mine (maybe AT&T will give away free bumpers to try and offset Apple idiocy?) and advise the many people who ask me about their tech purchases to cancel their orders if they have them and wait for the revision we all know will be coming in the future.

i returned both my iphone 4's ,, i needed a phone as a phone.

Besides one thing i thought about on this exterior antenna design.. Static .. i live in NH where it gets cold and dry. and i get zapped all the time touching door knows and stuff
i am sure they took that into account, but nah,, i am happy with my 3gs and 3g back on my phone numbers
 
i returned both my iphone 4's ,, i needed a phone as a phone.

WORD

I just posted a link to the boygenius page on Facebook and warned all my friends to cancel their orders if they have them. I will wait for secondary confirmation that is Apple's policy and then return my iPhone too and wait for the 'revision what revision?' hardware update that will surely come and use my upgrade credit then.
 

If there is any credibility to this, I'm not reading it as 'Apple plans to do nothing'. It reads like a scripted deflection using the current company line. The higher ups are silent on what's going on to fix it and the support people need SOMETHING to say to the customers. The brass is tight lipped and those directives would be to unsure support continues quote the company line instead of running around in circles with each support person giving a completely different answer.

Apple's secretiveness can be annoying at times, but this iron curtain **** has gotten way, way, WAY out of hand.
 
stock way down today, so is market I know.
very disappointing behavior from this company.
Jobs should be ashamed of himself. He's really doing himself in, every time he does any interview going forward people are going to ask him about this and there is only so many times you can be cute and say "its not an issue"

IT IS STEVE!

He's an arrogant ass.
 
The products released under of his stewardship of apple will be his legacy.

...just as you and I will be judged by what we have left behind.

Well a' wooptie freakin doo. I could care less if his legacy is associate with good consumer products (usually). In the here and now he is still an arrogant piece of ****. They have sold 1.7 million of these damn things and he is sticking it to them with reckless abandon. Not only refusing to acknowledge anything, but also insulting his customers intelligence by trying to pass off common attentuation problems for the completely different phenomena that the iPhone is experiencing. A phenomena that no other phone experiences.
 
This definitely needs a solution... I don't experience the loss in bars from holding the phone, but my calls drop within ten minutes EVERY TIME now. I'm not even touching the phone! It's on speaker in front of me showing a full signal.

Does anyone know the return policy on the iPhone? If I return it do I have to pay to reactivate my old 3G even though this is entirely Apple's fault?
 
This definitely needs a solution... I don't experience the loss in bars from holding the phone, but my calls drop within ten minutes EVERY TIME now. I'm not even touching the phone! It's on speaker in front of me showing a full signal.

Does anyone know the return policy on the iPhone? If I return it do I have to pay to reactivate my old 3G even though this is entirely Apple's fault?

i did the preorder for 2 iphone 4 from At&t, and returned both. I got charged nothing to have my iphone 3g and 3gs reactivated. plus got free shipping labels, and no restocking fee
 
i did the preorder for 2 iphone 4 from At&t, and returned both. I got charged nothing to have my iphone 3g and 3gs reactivated. plus got free shipping labels, and no restocking fee

Thanks a lot. I'm going to take care of mine tomorrow.

I hope I don't have to wait in a line to return the piece of garbage too...
 
AppleInsider, I... can't stay mad at you... please come home!



The rumor campaign against iPhone 4's antenna has even infected the legitimate news media, with the UK's DailyMail printing an entire article (which was later pulled) worrying that "iPhone 4 may be recalled," based upon a comment posted to Twitter by a joke account purporting to be Steve Jobs.

Last week, the New York Times published a report based largely upon an article by Gizmodo, without noting the site's ongoing feud with Apple, including its being refused media entry to the WWDC keynote.

Brian Lam, the Gizmodo editor who lost his existing phone in a police investigation related to the iPhone prototype theft, said his site was "paying attention to the [iPhone 4] antenna issue because it could be a big deal," but also said he bought a new iPhone 4 and is now able to place "hours of calls" that he could not place in the same location with previous generations of iPhones.

At the heart of the issue is the fact that the cell phone signal bars reported by mobile phones do not function like a gas tank meter, as most users might assume. Instead, they work more like a reserve tank light. Five full bars can indicate anything from an ideal signal down to just enough to complete a call. As bars drop, the signal meter is reporting that call quality loss is imminent. The reason why some users see no difference (particularly when they're near a strong signal source, such as a Microcell 3G appliance) and others can drop from five bars to none just by covering the antenna with their hand placement, is that the latter group's five bars are indicating much less signal to start with.

So far, the reports of the iPhone 4's antenna issues have been based entirely upon unscientific testing by users who don't understand how their signal bars work. Comments by engineers Steve Gibson and Simon Byrnand explain that the signal bar meter does not quantify a specific amount of signal available (very different signal variations can still result in five bars being observed).

That means that videos posted by users that show a drop in signal related to hand placement are nearly worthless as evidence of a real problem. Users don't need bars to appear on their phone; they need a strong enough signal to place a call or send and receive data.

Gibson writes, "Apple’s '5-bars' cellular signal strength display is not showing the full range of possible, or even typical, received cellular signal strength. It is only showing the bottom end of the full range of possible reception strength."

No tests so far have shown that a hardware issue is to blame for reception problems on iPhone 4. In my own testing, I could not isolate any hand placement that prevented calls from working or lowered the reported data rates available, nor even could I force down the signal bars with a "death grip."

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I sense an unusual amount of fear for something as trivial as this trade dispute.
 
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I sense an unusual amount of fear for something as trivial as this trade dispute.

Do you even have the phone? Some people don't see their bars changing, they just lose calls constantly. I've lost three today (no call lasting more than ten minutes) while the phone sat on my desk on speaker, a problem I RARELY encountered with my iPhone 3G in the same location. If you have the phone and use it... as a phone.. you're probably having similar issues. Bumpers and holding it differently don't apply when it's sitting on a desk.
 
The 4 displays fewer bars than a 3g (ios4) and slightly fewer bars than a 3g (ios 3.0)

which leads me to believe we will be happier if we "stay tuned"
 
Do you even have the phone? Some people don't see their bars changing, they just lose calls constantly. I've lost three today (no call lasting more than ten minutes) while the phone sat on my desk on speaker, a problem I RARELY encountered with my iPhone 3G in the same location. If you have the phone and use it... as a phone.. you're probably having similar issues. Bumpers and holding it differently don't apply when it's sitting on a desk.

BDub, man... long time.
My comments have been restricted to scrutiny of the overreaching (the sometimes extreme conclusions drawn from particular experience), and pointing out that Apple is like any other tabloid fodder now... and most media outlets are now less reliable now they have reported on this (yeah, the story has HURT the reliability of the news itself). And media that chose not to report anything made a wise choice.

Not in a million years would I doubt your testimony. And though it's mildly possible your phone may be haunted, what I really mean is there were too many things going on for any one to be sure exactly, too many conflicting reports to draw the dire conclusions that have been drawn. And many dismissively walked all over science, insulting it as much as our intelligence.

I hope it gets better for you. Also, I accept your compassion and sympathy... as I do not have one. If you must continue to brag about your awesome reception issues, I will continue to read them in restless envy.
 
The 2 cent fix for reception bar problem

I just placed a normal piece of Scotch tape over the left bottom corner of the phone and I only loose 1-2 bars. Instead of 4. I put two layers of tape and I loose 1 bar. No kidding. So yes a case or bumper should be even better. Anyone with a electronics background should know that holding a antenna knows that it changes the reception. Take old TV's with rabbit ears antenna. Hold the antenna and get better or worse reception. That's the way it works. Your body changes the resistance. Put the phone in a metal case and watch the bars drop like a rock.
 
Doesn't help me so far, and people are reporting it's not helping them as well. Seems about 50-50 at this point (that's unofficial of course, just what I've noted from that one thread, about half say yay and the other half says nay... :confused:

Me neither. Though a few days ago I had to reseat the sim to get my microcell to work.
 
What I don't understand is one of the improvements that was stated was improved signal reception. There are several hundred videos, screen shots, forum comments, etc. that point out that this issue is happening to way to many people to say it's not an issue. Tonight I have tested this as well with two iPhone 4's and two iPhone 3gs'. The 3GS iPhones had full signals and the iPhone 4's had a single dot. All laying on the table untouched. Pick up any iPhone 4 and the signal was gone (with a case even, the griffin reveal). Last point, I tested this in 2 different cities where the signal had always been strong. (and still was for the 3GS)

I hope that a software update can address this, and very very soon but I am skeptical this time and I have never been of Apple before.
 
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