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We live in a non-socialist country too (just not as much "non-socialist" as the US) ;)

Free health care was introduced by a Socialist Government but has since been adopted by all parties in the UK because it was (and is) so very popular with the majority of voters (as you would expect).

The standard tax rate in 2008/09 is 20% with the higher rate being 40%.

I think we in the UK are overtaxed, but anyone in any country when asked would almost always say they were overtaxed.

As far as the free health care issue goes; if they got rid of free healthcare tomorrow i don't think for a second they would actually LOWER tax rates as a consequence.

Lastly, i think it's rather comforting to know that if i fall over and break my leg, have a heart attack, contract cancer, catch AIDS, have a nervous breakdown or develop a brain tumor then i would be picked up by an ambulance and taken to the nearest hospital where i would receive treatment for as last for as long as i needed it.

Basically in principle and in practice; in the UK, a poor man contracting cancer would get exactly the same treatment as the multi-millionaire Mr.Jobs; I'll leave that to other to decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing.... :D


Yeah maybe. In Canada (where my ancestors were from), if the government says "oh we will do 100 heart surgeries this year", you better not be #101 or you will have to wait till next year (or come here to the USA like some do).

I don't think anywhere on earth will have the perfect health system. You either have insurance company bureacracies, the government, or someone mucking it up somewhere. We in the US pay an arm and a leg for health insurance (unless your company picks it all up), and then we hear "Well, you did not meet your $1500 deductible for this year yet, so we did not pay anything" or "Do you have another insurance under your spouse? We do a maintenance of benefits where we pay some, they pay some, but you will never achieve 100% coverage."

The company my wife works for did another 11% increase on health insurance cost. the plan was going to cost her $400 every two weeks to cover both of us as a secondary insurance. She only makes $750 every 2 weeks. That is more than 1/2 her income. We figured it out, with taxes and the health insurance - she would only be taking home barely $200 every two weeks. then there was a $1500 deductible to boot, so the insurance company would deny the first $1500 in claims as "being toward your deducible" and that is after your copay of $10 per office visit (if it was in the network, $20 if outside the network).

So in the end, for the $9,600 per year - you were lucky if the insurance company paid $500 of your medical expenses for the entire year.

or worse, how about this one:

3 years ago, I almost had a heart attack and had to have 3 stents. the bill was $20,000 for the procedure, the ambulance ride, and the ICU stay over night (I was only in the hospital for 1 night as that is all the insurance would pay). 2 years later I got an EOB in the mail that read, they adjusted the claim and found there was a direct statement in the contract with the employer where this was not covered (our employer never gave us an insurance book when they switched companies, stating what was and what wasn't covered - and that company did not have a website either). The EOB said that the insurance company wanted $11,000 back and to make the check payable to them. The EOB went to the hospital and myself. Both the hospital and myself laughed and the hospital is re-adjusting and refiling since I had 2 insurances at the time.

Then the kicker - before then, the insurance company did not want to pay for the dosage of the cholesterol and blood pressure medicine I was on, as it was not "in their preferred formulary" and then afterward they did not want to pay for the medication the hospital and heart doctor had me on "as it was not in their formulary"

Or how about this one - I went to the dentist to have some teeth pulled. the dentist took one look at my x-rays and said"we going to have to sedate you, you have some really long roots that will require us drilling and removing part of your jaw bone. After 4 filings and my dentist sending in all the information on why I needed sedation (including x-rays, photographs of the procedure, medical journal information, etc) - the insurance company reviewed it and returned a letter stating "our team of dentists reviewed the information and have determined that sedation is not required for that procedure - a local anethestic for a typical filling should be all that is required"

What? :confused::mad: you are pulling 3 teeth and removing part of my jaw bone and feel that I only required 1 or 2 shots? Insurance company refused for 2 years, my bill went to collections and I was forced to pay $900 out of pocket. Insurance company covered only $200.

Healthcare - bah.
 
Looking over your posts it's obvious you're a pathetic troll who averages 6 posts per day, with no life but to come here and harass people. Grow up, get a life and flip off.

Haha, you don't think one of the reasons I have a high average is that some people can't handle being countered, so when they _are_ countered, they bring nothing more to the table than what you just did. Stop acting like the other half of Belisle's tag team.

AFAIK, he's not a vegan now, but used to be in his earlier days (apparently, he was even a fruitarian for a while).

Yikes! A fruitarian? Man, the things people will do to their bodies! I didn't know he stopped being a vegan, though. That's good.
 
Two-finger click is faster and easier than right click on a laptop with a large button. The alternatives require that you stretch your thumb back uncomfortably while clicking, or that the buttons be placed asymmetrically. Personally, I think Apple's solution to this is worlds ahead of either of those, and I came to the MacBook from a ThinkPad.

Different strokes for different folks. I don't get what the big deal is to split the existing button....

Then again, I prefer pointers over touchpads as I find touchpads super slow as compared to a pointer on a thinkpad.
 
Steve is not the messiah. What's wrong with you people? You guys act like you have a personal relationship with him praying that he gives you your precious macbook pro, or mac mini, Intel G5 octaquad flat panel display. :D

He is just a man who manages a tech firm. You know what they say about worshiping false idols.
 
Wow

Look how many weirdos voted this a negative. Is that negative because you feel he shouldnt even be disclosing it? Or because some are pissed he doesnt have cancer?? So they can get a two button mouse?

Especially funny is the 'we deserve to know' comments.

Think those wishing Steve would just retire so they can get a two button trackpad should just P!SS off and get a Dell. Most of them got loads of buttons.
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Who cares if he died? Not to be a insensitive person, but we all go. Jobs has done a ton for Apple, but he is not the only creative mind there. Disney went on after Walt Disney died and Microsoft still seems to be surviving since Bill Gates left. Leave Steve Jobs alone and don't selfishly want him to live so that you can have an updated computer.
 
He's been thin since he was treated for pancreatic cancer three years ago, but that is not the "bug" Apple reported this month.

The problem is you are just now seeing photos that have been around for a long time.

Which was MY point. Someone just doesn't become as gaunt as SJ did from some "bug."
 
True, the two buttons on the trackpad is a serious problem. I know there are tricks and finger twisting combinations to imitate the right button, but a real right button certainly increases the level of comfort and productivity.

Apart from that Steve jobs is a talented man and a strong asset, probably on his way of becoming a small bill gates.

No doubt in my mind that SJ is just a human, a flawed one at that. No one thought that tons of companies would work without their leadership, and many went on to be successful (disney, etc. etc.). Others will do even better without their founders - look how Yang is ruining Yahoo.

If Jobs retires, we will have finally a 2 button trackpad, reasonably priced RAM, etc. I see no downside. A visionary? - Yes, but maybe a little past his prime. Anyone can make a phone that plays music and has a touch display. who cares. I use a phone for a phone. 10 different new ipods are nice, but the original plays music pretty well. Who cares if the stock goes down if he retires. He is just one man. I would rather have two buttons than steve. More impact on my life with two buttons. SJ impacts my life more with dumb decisions rather than smart ones. Sorry. That being said, I wish him the best of health as I wish all people. No one likes illness. But come on Steve, hang it up now.
 
What makes you think Apple would add a second button if Steve dies?

I prefer the two finger right click to having a button where i have to use my little finger or lift my hand to click myself.

I also think the US healthcare system is a joke. I'm not trying to offend anyone. Though its not true a millionaire gets the same healthcare as a poor person in the UK, people can pay for private healthcare in the UK which allows them to get treated faster and have more time with a doctor. So there is still some disparity but the free healthcare is mostly good/decent so people don't need to worry about affording to live.
 
All I can say is wow!

No doubt in my mind that SJ is just a human, a flawed one at that. No one thought that tons of companies would work without their leadership, and many went on to be successful (disney, etc. etc.). Others will do even better without their founders - look how Yang is ruining Yahoo.

If Jobs retires, we will have finally a 2 button trackpad, reasonably priced RAM, etc. I see no downside. A visionary? - Yes, but maybe a little past his prime. Anyone can make a phone that plays music and has a touch display. who cares. I use a phone for a phone. 10 different new ipods are nice, but the original plays music pretty well. Who cares if the stock goes down if he retires. He is just one man. I would rather have two buttons than steve. More impact on my life with two buttons. SJ impacts my life more with dumb decisions rather than smart ones. Sorry. That being said, I wish him the best of health as I wish all people. No one likes illness. But come on Steve, hang it up now.

Spoken as if you have with the wisdom of someone who has had more success than the guy you are describing here, amazing nerve you got there.

I hope you are just being sarcastic :D
 
Back on the topic of this thread (I did a brief, okay, very brief search and found nothing so) here is an article from the Economist on Steve Job's health as it relates to Apple and corporate lines of sucession.

I found this paragraph most interesting:
Mr Buffett is a modest, laid-back and fabulously wealthy guy. Only the last of those adjectives can be applied to Mr Jobs. A driven business-builder, he may be reluctant to countenance the idea of giving up leadership of Apple or of having a publicly announced succession pool below him.
This was said after they compared Berkshire-Hathaway and Apple, two entities tied to the image of their leaders, and how Warren Buffet has a made a point of stating there are successors ready to take his place, where Apple has not.

It would alleviate a lot of worry as to what would happen to Apple in the wake of Mr, Jobs' second coming. In fact, to quote the article again, "a company with a strong succession plan in place is less likely to have to broadcast its leader’s vital signs to the world." Not that Apple broadcasts anything to the world, apart from sales of iPods, their variants, and Macs. Which leads me to believe they probably do have a plan in place, but c'mon Apple or should I say Mr. Jobs, introduce us to the guy (or gal) and give us a chance to get used to him (her).
 
Who cares if he died? Not to be a insensitive person, but we all go. Jobs has done a ton for Apple, but he is not the only creative mind there. Disney went on after Walt Disney died and Microsoft still seems to be surviving since Bill Gates left. Leave Steve Jobs alone and don't selfishly want him to live so that you can have an updated computer.

Well, umm, I'd like to think that Apple would be just great without SJ, but your examples don't fill me with confidence.

Disney went a bit weird recently, till Steve Jobs came along and killed their sequel-o-rama practices...

Microsoft... Yahoo! ?
 
This was said after they compared Berkshire-Hathaway and Apple, two entities tied to the image of their leaders, and how Warren Buffet has a made a point of stating there are successors ready to take his place, where Apple has not.

It would alleviate a lot of worry as to what would happen to Apple in the wake of Mr, Jobs' second coming. In fact, to quote the article again, "a company with a strong succession plan in place is less likely to have to broadcast its leader’s vital signs to the world." Not that Apple broadcasts anything to the world, apart from sales of iPods, their variants, and Macs. Which leads me to believe they probably do have a plan in place, but c'mon Apple or should I say Mr. Jobs, introduce us to the guy (or gal) and give us a chance to get used to him (her).

This is it, in a nutshell. The issue is less about Steve's health than it's about Apple's complete silence on the question of succession. As an investor, this failure on the part of management really ticks me off. I don't like seeing part of my investment disappear every time someone questions Steve's weight or skin coloration.
 
Steve... is not a nice person. He's not even a very good person, unless he's changed dramatically since the 70s, 80s and 90s.... and I doubt that very much.

To me, the one story about him that sticks out most in my mind is his lying to his own friend (and Apple co-founder) Steve Wozniak about how much money he received (for Woz' work, no less), and giving Woz $350 of the "$700" prize money, when in fact he should have split what was really a $5,000 reward with him. This was for the arcade game that Woz developed (basically by himself). Woz broke into tears when he found out about it around a decade or so later.

That kind of deceit is just despicable.

Seriously, I've been a Mac user for most of my life... using them since the Mac Classic... but I don't understand this mindless devotion to someone like Steve Jobs, who isn't even nice, much less decent.

Someone care to explain?
 
First you'll have to find someone willing to confess to "mindless devotion." Good luck with that.

Maybe you could try another question, less rhetorical.
 
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