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In Sifi films and shows? Like portals to other dimensions and flying cars? Indeed!! We see them everywhere on daily basis now....!

Hardly and argument since there are thousands of things in books, films and tv that are now part of every day life.

But keep on dreaming your dream...
 
No, lets be honest.

If others labeled genius and visionaries did work on others people ideas WHY on earth you are denying Jobs that title?

Using the bold tag won't help you put your point across.

You don't seem to understand, so I'll simplify things for you.

You have given great examples of how some inventors were inspired by other things. Let's say, John Smith invented a machine A, which was inspired by B, and now he's talking about a revolutionary device C that is based on A and B, and nobody ever thought about it. That's great.

What Steve Jobs did he mentioned the idea of a machine A. This machine A has been referenced and mentioned decades before he mentioned it and some people were even already working on machine A. His company didn't even build the first fully working machine A. Get it? He simple mentioned a concept that was around for decades - he did not mention something novel that was based on other concepts.

You see the huge difference here?

I'm saying none of the things you're arguing against.
 
whatever, Stanley Kubrick had a vision of ipads 15 years earlier in 1968 when the astronauts used them in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Read books, please.
Writer Arthur C. Clarke wrote 2001: A Space Odyssey.

And Indians were writing science-fiction thousands years before europeans, involving UFOs, robots and all kind of today futurism.


Again the post did NOT say - Steve Jobs and Apple invented ’’Tablets’’.
 
Read books, please.
Writer Arthur C. Clarke wrote 2001: A Space Odyssey.

And Indians were writing science-fiction thousands years before europeans, involving UFOs, robots and all kind of today futurism.


Again the post did NOT say - Steve Jobs and Apple invented ’’Tablets’’.

He didn't necc envision the iPad either. So the headline is correct. What he envisioned was a computer that was like a book.

You know - if you want to be really specific.
 
Using the bold tag won't help you put your point across.

You don't seem to understand, so I'll simplify things for you.

You have given great examples of how some inventors were inspired by other things. Let's say, John Smith invented a machine A, which was inspired by B, and now he's talking about a revolutionary device C that is based on A and B, and nobody ever thought about it. That's great.

What Steve Jobs did he mentioned the idea of a machine A. This machine A has been referenced and mentioned decades before he mentioned it and some people were even already working on machine A. His company didn't even build the first fully working machine A. Get it? He simple mentioned a concept that was around for decades - he did not mention something novel that was based on other concepts.

You see the huge difference here?

I'm saying none of the things you're arguing against.


Please you are being just dishonest.
You think Jobs and Apple do not deserve the prize for the iPad.
Apple and Jobs deserve it.

It is not personal, we are discussing, stop making it personal.

Isaac Newton did not create the first laws of physics published by him, he was just able to explain them because he was a mathematician, the guy that come with the idea was not a mathematician.

Charles Darwin did not come with the idea of evolution he published, he gathered the idea from a paper by another British scientist, one that had not the links Darwin had, he actually end up poor and employed by Darwin.

Those these facts make those geniuses less genius?
If you cannot see parallelism with Jobs ( which purposefully gathered great minds in order to fish things from them! ) then you are NOT being honest.

Parallelism was the reason for me to give these examples.

Please explain again ( i get it - NO need for bold ): Why on earth Jobs does not deserve the label genius?

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That's funny, did you read that book? Because actually those devices were not mentioned there. Moreover it was developed concurrently with Stanley Kubrick's film version and published after the release of the film.

Read books, don't just google, please.

The writer worked on the movie.
Kubrick's build the scenery ( as with all his movies ), the writer input was always present.

Actually Clarke was already a visionary even before meeting Kubrick, which was a great artist but whose work does not equals Clarke’s remarkable vision - just ask NASA.

OH!
 
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Of course we mustn't forget Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy...

I've not seen an iPad case with "Don't Panic" printed on it, but I'm sure they must exist.

I keep getting this feeling that people are associating the wrong virtues with Apple and with Jobs. I wouldn't really have them down as innovators, but "popularizers" or something like that. It was Jobs' attention to design, detail, drive and pig-headedness that is probably more responsible for the success of Apple. Very, very few original ideas other than small details That's not to denigrate small details; they are, after all, where the devil is.
 
You know who else were unoriginal hacks? The Wright brothers...

People had been dreaming up flying machines LONG before those guys actually made it a reality.
 
Really, no pictures of Picard holding the PADD yet? Here:
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Love Picard. I find it funny, though, that in TNG they already knew that one day tablet computing would be so commonplace as to be relegated to doing paperwork.

Even though Steve would probably not admit it, I have no doubt he was influenced by the sci-fi of his time. It's a true shame sci-fi has gone the way of SyFy nowadays. Thinkers need inspiration.
 
I miss his presents at Apple, the Stern perfection demanded from all of the company! His true sincere love for the company he and The Woz created:apple::apple::apple:!!!

His love and dedication for making the highest quality precision products! I love just the hardware alone and the design of his RT hand man Jonny Ive! I think they had a greatness that will never matched!
I'm sure there is someone at Apple or that will come along with Steve's Vision, quality & User Experience before profits! When you make a great product the profits come!
I myself see Jonny Ive being more then a designer, maybe he can have vision or someone just comes out of the blue and fit the mold!!!

R.I.P S.J WE LOVE WHAT YOU BROUGHT TO US THAT MADE OUR LIVES BETTER AND MUSIC EASIE! IS BUISNESS MORE EFFICIENT!
WHAT CAN I SAY ABOUT THE iPhone, iPad AND MacBook Pro LINE!
THE MB AIR AND THE NEW 15in.MB RETINA DISPLAY THAT I JUST GOT AFTER MY NEW IPHONE 5! My family all use apple iPhone's, iPads and MacBook Pros and one other BIG Apple plus is the Ecosystem and iCloud! Until you really see how it all works together!!!:cool::cool::cool::apple::apple::apple:


High quality product? Are you sure your talking about SJ? What above the reception issues with the iPhone 4, yellow tinting on the screen of the phones and MacBooks. Doesn't seem high quality and precise to me.

I haven't seen a more brown nosed comment as this one. Sure SJ changed most of our lives but the man was not god.

Oh on a side note I thought up of a iPod back in the early 80's maybe I can get some royalties or some credit for thinking and "INVISIONING" it.


James
 
Please you are being just dishonest.
You think Jobs and Apple do not deserve the prize for the iPad.
Apple and Jobs deserve it.

It is not personal, we are discussing, stop making it personal.

Isaac Newton did not created the first law of physics published by him, he was just able to explain them because he was a mathematician, the guy that come with the idea was not a mathematician.

Charles Darwin did not come with the idea of evolution he published, he gathered the idea from a paper by another British scientist, one that had not the links Darwin had, he actually end up poor and employed by Darwin.

Those these facts make those geniuses less genius?
If you cannot see parallelism with Jobs ( which purposefully gathered great minds in order to fish things from them! ) then you are NOT being honest.

Parallelism was the reason for me to give these examples.

Please explain again ( i get it - NO need for bold ): Why on earth Jobs does not deserve the label genius?

You are constantly steering away from what I'm saying. You have a very dichotomous approach to my statements. I'm not sure if you're doing that in purpose.

There is a plethora of reasons why I personally think Jobs does not deserve the label genius, but this has nothing to do with what I've said before and I don't want to elaborate on that nor argue about it. It has no relation to what I'm trying to convey so please don't even try to argue with me.

Since you clearly still don't understand what I actually mean (I'm trying hard, I really am), I'll give you another example:

Imagine me stating that my company "wants to create teleportation devices that will allow people to travel instantly from one place to another". Now, this is not a novel concept, it has appeared many times before, some people did actually even work on quantum teleportation. Now imagine that my company finally builds such device in 2040, nearly thirty years later, after other companies have successfully built similar working devices a few years before my company, but my device is well designed and is popular amongst consumers.

Does this mean I was a visionary in this particular case when I mentioned that I want to work on such device? No.

Do you finally understand what I'm trying to say or will you keep flooding me with truisms?

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The writer worked on the movie.
Kubrick' build the scenery ( as with all his movies ), the writer input was always present.

Exactly, thanks for agreeing with me.
 
You are constantly steering away from what I'm saying. You have a very dichotomous approach to my statements. I'm not sure if you're doing that in purpose.

There is a plethora of reasons why I personally think Jobs does not deserve the label genius, but this has nothing to do with what I've said before and I don't want to elaborate on that nor argue about it. It has no relation to what I'm trying to convey so please don't even try to argue with me.

Since you clearly still don't understand what I actually mean (I'm trying hard, I really am), I'll give you another example:

Imagine me stating that my company "wants to create teleportation devices that will allow people to travel instantly from one place to another". Now, this is not a novel concept, it has appeared many times before, some people did actually even work on quantum teleportation. Now imagine that my company finally builds such device in 2040, nearly thirty years later, after other companies have successfully built similar working devices a few years before my company, but my device is well designed and is popular amongst consumers.

Does this mean I was a visionary in this particular case when I mentioned that I want to work on such device? No.

Do you finally understand what I'm trying to say or will you keep flooding me with truisms?

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Exactly, thanks for agreeing with me.



Oh, no!
Please, The post says : Steve Jobs Envisioned the iPad in 1983.
And he did, he was the head of Apple at the time.

Your example fits not.

- Then Why Newton is a genius, if he build on what others had thought of ( making use of your example )?
There is a parallelism in there.
In ancient world people were able to measure the earth, build maps, what knowledge were required to achieve those feats?

See?
You argument have no legs from the start.

Being a genius does’t mean leaving always tangible work or having great intellectual prowess.
A sport person can be a genius ( to manipulate the world around him when doing its work ), a genius isn’t a manipulator also?




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Exactly, thanks for agreeing with me.


No, i did not.
You singled out Arthur C. Clarke input, i did wrote build in purpose, because Jobs did build what others dreamed.
Like Kubrick.
 
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You know who else were unoriginal hacks? The Wright brothers...

People had been dreaming up flying machines LONG before those guys actually made it a reality.

What's your point?

A few manufacturers introduced tablets way before the iPad. So if we're going by "making it a reality" ...
 
Oh, no!
Please, The post says : Steve Jobs Envisioned the iPad in 1983.
And he did, he was the head of Apple at the time.

Your example fits not.
It fits perfeclty.
- Then Why Newton is a genius, if he build on what others had thought of ( making use of your example )?
He was the first to build something that others had thought of. Steve Jobs/Apple did not build the first tablet. So your argument has no legs.

In ancient world people were able to measure the earth, build maps, what knowledge was required to achieve those feats?
Why do you keep posting these truisms?

No, i did not.
You singled out Arthur C. Clarke input, i did wrote build in purpose, because Jobs did build what others dreamed.
Like Kubrick.
See my response to your suggestion that Jobs built the first tablet.
 
He accomplished that except for one thing: you can learn to use an iPad in TWO minutes!

One thing that makes the iPad kinda cool is that you can learn the basics in two minutes, but then you're also always discovering new things about it. I have a friend that has an iPad and an iPhone. I was watching her at work one day as she was laboriously copying appointments from her iPhone to her iPad.

"What are you doing?"

"Well, when I'm out somewhere, at a doctor's office or something, and they give me an appointment, I don't always have my iPad with me, so I put it in my iPhone, but I use my iPad as my main calendar, so then I have to copy it over."

"Uhm, iCloud, you need it."
 
One thing that makes the iPad kinda cool is that you can learn the basics in two minutes, but then you're also always discovering new things about it. I have a friend that has an iPad and an iPhone. I was watching her at work one day as she was laboriously copying appointments from her iPhone to her iPad.

"What are you doing?"

"Well, when I'm out somewhere, at a doctor's office or something, and they give me an appointment, I don't always have my iPad with me, so I put it in my iPhone, but I use my iPad as my main calendar, so then I have to copy it over."

"Uhm, iCloud, you need it."

That's true with any two devices that need to sync. It's not something just "cool" about the iPad, iPhone or any other iDevice.
 
...and how long before that did they envision a tablet computer in a science fiction film/show?


Star trek, next generation, started in 1987 - they used a tablet often.

Perhaps other show also had smooth surface touch tablet mock-ups before '83, but it's impressive to me, that Mr. Jobs was talking about a real product years before star trek showed it as something that fit into the distant future about a start craft.
 
NO!

1 - Computer existed even before the famous Nazarene, aka Jesus, mechanical computers are computers nevertheless.
2 - Did you ask Gene Roddenberry who he was reading?
3 - Alan Kay worked at Apple. And Steve did say - Apple, not Steve thinks.
4 - Arthur C. Clarke wrote the book that Kubrick adapted, Go read some of his work and interviews.


Apple, and especially Steve Jobs, are getting are getting prized for ( as with any creative people ) actually bringing to life what others have thought of.

Look at Picasso work, you will se interpretation of old European painting through the prism of African sculpture ( of course people ignore the African art influence on his work ). But he is hailed a genius, and he is, because he offered a new way of looking at things. his famous monkey sculpture - baboon and young - was a proof of that.Image.

John Ford did not invent the automobile, but he was a genius.
Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison are all genius and both work was based on others people ideas.

Classic European composers orchestrated popular songs and were hailed genius.

Give Apple credit.

A footnote, science-fiction started in ancient India not in Europe.
Henry Ford, his cousin, did.
 
It fits perfeclty.

He was the first to build something that others had thought of. Steve Jobs/Apple did not build the first tablet. So your argument has no legs.


No, he did not build, he explained it - mathematically. Remember people had measured the earth before!
Who Google’s now?

Charles Darwin explained it with on-the-ground work.
Ford did not build the first automobile, the first was inspired by a locomotive actually.




Why do you keep posting these truisms?


Parallelisms are there to state the obvious.
- Since when being a genius means the first one?
- Can you really spot the first one ( truism isn’t it ), isn’t that obvious?

Can you really say that Colombo was the person that discovered the continent now called America, if you take in account how continents were occupied?

Understand why i am repeating the same parallelisms?
OH!



See my response to your suggestion that Jobs built the first tablet.

When did Jobs said he was in the journey of building the first tablet?
A tablet is a computer ( a shrunk one as many people dreamed before, because the first modern computer, made in England for the War was BIG. Can you spot who thought first in making them to fit your hand? - you CANNOT! ), and computers exist for thousands of years, since the beginning of agriculture, the irrigation mechanism is a mechanic computer.

And back to above responses.
 
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Star trek, next generation, started in 1987 - they used a tablet often.

Perhaps other show also had smooth surface touch tablet mock-ups before '83, but it's impressive to me, that Mr. Jobs was talking about a real product years before star trek showed it as something that fit into the distant future about a start craft.


How is this impressive? A tablet was show in the movie 2001 and in other tv and movies before Job "envisioned" it. There's a fine line between a writer/director displaying a real product years before it's an actuality and someone like Jobs talking about it. Both are ideas without true execution.

And as mentioned before - Apple wasn't the first to make a tablet either. So why are you impressed. I'm genuinely curious.
 
ehhh, I dunno, sounds more like a laptop to me. Remember, laptops were huge at the time. Sure, its faster to learn iOS than OS X but when I got my first Powermac in 2005 I was comfortable using OS X (coming from years of Windows) in about half an hour
 
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