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The curse of geniuses.

What makes them achieve incredible things also bedevils them by societal rules.

If society recognized that geniuses are typically erratic and will not follow "norms", then maybe people would understand?

Geniuses aren't typically erratic. Certainly not in the way jobs was. Jobs had significant skills, and was perhaps a genius, but there are and have been extraordinary geniuses who were also good human beings, flawed for sure, but still good people.
 
From what I have seen from the Jobs movie. Steve was complete low life scum for kicking out his pregnant and letting his child's mother live on Welfare for 2 years whilst Jobs says he refuses to take responsibility the child and claims he is sterile.

This in my books is a very bad thing to do and like the guy a whole lot less in knowing this.

Somebody please educate me if this is not the truth.

It always amazes me when people put Jobs on a pedestal making him out to be some how perfect in all respects. He was just a man who had a good eye for the next big thing and a lot of drive and charisma to get that thing done. Nothing more, he made as many mistakes and bad decisions in his life as anyone else and especially in his early years he seems to have been pretty selfish and self obsessed amongst other character floors which tend to appear when someone young suddenly gets a lot of money. So no real surprises.
 
How so? They're both books. One is of someone's personal experiences with a man, the other was rushed out to capitalize on that man's death and made the people involved a whoooole lotta money. Neither is more legitimate than the other, and the catcalls of "cashgrab" and "gold digger" towards the one written by a female (and the one that stands to make far less money) seem hypocritical and gross.

Isaacson's biography wasn't rushed out. It was started quite early because Jobs _wanted_ a biography written; it is mostly based on interviews with Jobs which I assume all happened _before_ his death. So when Jobs died, the biography was finished.
 
How so? They're both books. One is of someone's personal experiences with a man, the other was rushed out to capitalize on that man's death and made the people involved a whoooole lotta money. Neither is more legitimate than the other, and the catcalls of "cashgrab" and "gold digger" towards the one written by a female (and the one that stands to make far less money) seem hypocritical and gross.

Issacon's book has over 20 pages of notes documenting sources and citations.

I don’t know if Brennan’s book will provide any citations or sources, but given the headline of the excerpt (Ex dishes on sex life with Steve Jobs) and the content, there really is no way for a reader to separate fact from fiction.

That makes Issacon's biographical work more legitimate to me.
 
Wow, Steve Jobs sounds like the kind of person you just wouldn't want to be around. So many stories of him being a complete prick. Maybe that's the price of genius.

It's good to have books like this to contribute to the non-worship/non-idolatry of the man. He very likely was a sociopath and/or a narcissist (both of which are traits that American capitalism rewards).

Genius is highly debatable. Did he have great ideas? Sure. More importantly for his success, he was an opportunist and he excelled at social engineering. He identified people with great ideas and placed them around himself strategically. He knew who he should suck up to, and who he could get away with abusing.

Did he accomplish some great things for the industry? Absolutely. Should we worship him and model ourselves after him? Absolutely not.

Emotional immaturity. Selfishness. Arrogance and demanding behavior. For this type of person, these behaviors don't stop when leaving the workplace. The way a person treats strangers and employees is a good measure of the way they value people overall. These kinds of people often have very ... questionable... personal lives, because they treat their personal relationships very much as they treat their business relationships; sometimes even worse (because they're familiar and not managed for public consumption). Being good at one often makes a person bad at the other.

This is not a man to idolize. He's a man to study and comprehend.
 
It's good to have books like this to contribute to the non-worship/non-idolatry of the man. He very likely was a sociopath and/or a narcissist (both of which are traits that American capitalism rewards).

Genius is highly debatable. Did he have great ideas? Sure. More importantly for his success, he was an opportunist and he excelled at social engineering. He identified people with great ideas and placed them around himself strategically. He knew who he should suck up to, and who he could get away with abusing.

Did he accomplish some great things for the industry? Absolutely. Should we worship him and model ourselves after him? Absolutely not.

Emotional immaturity. Selfishness. Arrogance and demanding behavior. For this type of person, these behaviors don't stop when leaving the workplace. The way a person treats strangers and employees is a good measure of the way they value people overall. These kinds of people often have very ... questionable... personal lives, because they treat their personal relationships very much as they treat their business relationships; sometimes even worse (because they're familiar and not managed for public consumption). Being good at one often makes a person bad at the other.

This is not a man to idolize. He's a man to study and comprehend.

Excellent post, my friend.
 
NEVER abandon a child. Karma will come back and get you.
I did abandon one, when i was 17 i think.
A year later i inherited a very large sum of money. Very very large. (tens of M).
Gotta love karma! :cool:
 
"Yeah guys! Choo choo, lets profit off of Steve Jobs using movies, books, paintings, poems, and whatever else."
-Almost anyone who had personal interaction with Steve.
 
From what I have seen from the Jobs movie. Steve was complete low life scum for kicking out his pregnant and letting his child's mother live on Welfare for 2 years whilst Jobs says he refuses to take responsibility the child and claims he is sterile.

This in my books is a very bad thing to do and like the guy a whole lot less in knowing this.

Somebody please educate me if this is not the truth.
I'm sure in his later years Steve had regrets for his earlier immaturity.

Is there anyone among us who could be put under intense personal and commercial scrutiny for most of our adult lives and still come out smelling like roses?
 
It was like a game of Snakes and Ladders, with Steve as the game master. The ups were hopeful and the downs were extreme. I didn't know how to hold my own with him because he didn't play fair. He just played to win -- and win at any cost.
Perfectionism at its finest. Not good for personal life, fantastic for business.
 
I think it's true from things I've read.

NEVER abandon a child. Karma will come back and get you.
The man's dead... at a relatively young age by today's standards. What worse "karma" can there be? I don't believe in karma, but these comments are ridiculous. He did some awful things, but it's irrelevant now.
 
life as usual

how many ex girlfriends love pushing all the relationships problems onto the man? of course he was the problem not her, lol.
 
It's good to have books like this to contribute to the non-worship/non-idolatry of the man. He very likely was a sociopath and/or a narcissist (both of which are traits that American capitalism rewards).

Genius is highly debatable. Did he have great ideas? Sure. More importantly for his success, he was an opportunist and he excelled at social engineering. He identified people with great ideas and placed them around himself strategically. He knew who he should suck up to, and who he could get away with abusing.

Did he accomplish some great things for the industry? Absolutely. Should we worship him and model ourselves after him? Absolutely not.

Emotional immaturity. Selfishness. Arrogance and demanding behavior. For this type of person, these behaviors don't stop when leaving the workplace. The way a person treats strangers and employees is a good measure of the way they value people overall. These kinds of people often have very ... questionable... personal lives, because they treat their personal relationships very much as they treat their business relationships; sometimes even worse (because they're familiar and not managed for public consumption). Being good at one often makes a person bad at the other.

This is not a man to idolize. He's a man to study and comprehend.

Wow, well said. Spot on mate :)
 
He could have achieved all that he did without being a complete sociopath, screwing people over left, right and centre. He wasn't a genius, he wasn't a nice guy, he had some smarts, some good timing, a lot of luck and a good marketing team.
 
I'll probably read this. I expect in the big picture this won't tell us any more than we already know about Steve Jobs' character. But some of the details could make for interesting reading.
 
He could have achieved all that he did without being a complete sociopath, screwing people over left, right and centre. He wasn't a genius, he wasn't a nice guy, he had some smarts, some good timing, a lot of luck and a good marketing team.

Jobs wasn't a complete sociopath, he didn't screw people over left right and centre, there is no doubt he was a genius. The rest I agree with, except the implication that his success was based solely on a lot of luck and a good marketing team.

The thing with luck is that some people have a lot of luck because they make their luck. They always do things that improve their chances, and then luck strikes.

And all that said... It doesn't really matter. There are lots of really nice people and really awful people in the world, who have very limited reach so all their niceness and all their awfulness doesn't have very much effect in the world. There are very few people who have a huge effect in one direction - like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs or the forgotten Enron bosses in business, Gandhi or Pol Pot in politics. Steve Jobs positive effects on the world are just outstanding and unique. His negative effects are at best mediocre. There are millions of Americans who did worse things in their live than Steve Jobs, but nobody remembers their names.
 
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There are millions of Americans who did worse things in their live than Steve Jobs, but nobody remembers their names.

True. I think people end up vilifying him so vocally to counter these claims that he is this amazing person, a genius, the second coming etc etc. As for my reference to " lot of luck and a good marketing team" - I remember the 1G Ipod when it came out and the whole world went crazy. Here was a product that was using technology that had been around for years, not only that, there were superior products on the market using more advanced technology, but no one was interested, they all wanted an Ipod. Why? Well it was white and had a scrolly wheel thing :rolleyes: the thing sold millions and Jobs was declared a genius.
 
"Yeah guys! Choo choo, lets profit off of Steve Jobs using movies, books, paintings, poems, and whatever else."
-Almost anyone who had personal interaction with Steve.

yeah, i almost saw him once.. im looking for a publisher to tell the story. ;)
 
Even though this person is likely just trying to cash-in on the Steve Jobs brand, I'm sure there are many stories in here that will do something Isaacson's book didn't really do; tell us who the real Steve Jobs was.

Sorry I wouldn't call this cashing-in (basically selling-out)! She knew Steve on a very personal and intimate level - she has a DAMN right to write and have her book published; and quite frankly you're pretty low to even think she's cashing in. Sure Isaacson's book may have prompted her to begin writing but that is simply inspiration or a nudge to reveal what still hasn't been revealed.

Cashing in are those *******s that purchase all the Gold iPhone 5S' and sell at a 50% markup because volume and store stock has reached 0! Cashing-in is taking your signed MBP/iMac/picture or signage from Jobs directly and selling it for an obscene dollar because he's now dead and had a supreme impact on an industry and many personal lives the world over.
 
It's good to have books like this to contribute to the non-worship/non-idolatry of the man. He very likely was a sociopath and/or a narcissist (both of which are traits that American capitalism rewards).

Genius is highly debatable. Did he have great ideas? Sure. More importantly for his success, he was an opportunist and he excelled at social engineering. He identified people with great ideas and placed them around himself strategically. He knew who he should suck up to, and who he could get away with abusing.

Did he accomplish some great things for the industry? Absolutely. Should we worship him and model ourselves after him? Absolutely not.

Emotional immaturity. Selfishness. Arrogance and demanding behavior. For this type of person, these behaviors don't stop when leaving the workplace. The way a person treats strangers and employees is a good measure of the way they value people overall. These kinds of people often have very ... questionable... personal lives, because they treat their personal relationships very much as they treat their business relationships; sometimes even worse (because they're familiar and not managed for public consumption). Being good at one often makes a person bad at the other.

This is not a man to idolize. He's a man to study and comprehend.
This must be one of the most intelligent post I have seen on here for a long time.
 
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