Steve Jobs Had a Liver Transplant Two Months Ago

[deconstruct60]

And if a company's well-being evolves around just one person something's very wrong

It doesn't. As long as Tim Cook is at the helm, with all the "creatives" in their proper roles, Apple will keep moving forward.

LOL. Another one man focal point with a bunch of supportive role folks is a better position?

Apple has the best team in the industry, bar none, and has what it takes to keep attracting the best.

Apple has lots of spare cash. That doesn't necessarily exposes that they have the best team. Right now there are number of dubious things they could do and still do well because the momentum is all pointing in the positive position. Won't see who has best team while external drivers are all mostly positive. Dell was "unstoppable" up until they missed on a few calls and conditions changed a bit.

All Apple needs is a firm hand at the helm. Tim Cook has so far gone above and beyond in that regard. Small wonder why Jobs places so much faith in him.

Was in "charge" less than 5 months with Jobs dialing in for some strategic issues. Like he could wreck the place in that amount of time? He'd have to be really bad to do that. Things that were spec'ed out a year (or more ) ago are coming on line now.

 

[pprior]

Apple's board is not responsible for the stupidity of investors, they are responsible for the financial well-doing of Apple. If the board decides that they have adequate replacement for Jobs in place, which they apparently had, if we judge by the last months, then they are fine. Just because some stupid investor believes that Apple has no replacement for Jobs, that doesn't make it true.

And as you said yourself, it was the _story_ of Jobs' illness that caused the trouble, not his illness itself.

well that's fine and dandy in the land or theory, but in the REAL world it don't matter whether it's a story or not, the stock WILL move with SJ health and those of us who own it have a right to make informed decisions that are not clouded by a lying board of directors.

Edit: and actually they are responsible for the financial well being of THE SHAREHOLDERS, not of Apple, Corp. The two may not always and forever be mutually compatible.

Please not I'm not saying the BOD -ARE- lying, but it continues to smell to high heaven how this story keeps evolving and every step along the way the next statement is worse that what was stated previously. I'll say again, as I have in the past, if SJ has metastatic disease in his medical record at any time before and since the BOD started signing off on the "it's just a hormonal imbalance, he'll be back in June" then AAPL will be paying LARGE amounts of legal fees. I sure hope this is not true, man I really do.

Oh, and yes I'm signed up to be an organ donor - I hope everyone takes the time to do so, great post on that idea.

 

[Doctor Q]

I had a liver transplant myself 18 months ago (cancer related as well). Let's hope Steve's recovery goes as well as mine.

This should serve as a reminder to everyone to become an organ donor.

DONATE LIFE!

U.S. residents can find out how to sign up as a donor in their state. Click your state (or pick it from the drop-down list if you live in one of those teeny tiny states).

I've been signed up for years.

 

[emmawu]

Get well Steve.

 

[hindmost]

All this grumbling about Steve getting to the head of the line for a liver transplant. Likely, he had a family member donate as the liver regenerates. They cut a bit of one person's liver out and put it in the person needing a new liver. Both parties have new normal livers in a couple of months.

If you really want to be angry know that in Japan it is not common to 'donate' body parts. Most bad bad. So what to do? Why they buy a plane ticket and come to the States and get on OUR lists. Better yet, their criminal mob members come over and bribe hospitals to get to the head of the list!!

Don't believe me?? See: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ucla31-2008may31,0,1503718.story

 

[charlituna]

a financial newspaper reports a sourceless 'fact' with backup by a doctor that couldn't be Jobs actual doctor cause no one would be crazy enough to risk that law suit and of course everyone is going to believe it to be true.

and the stock value will tank yet again cause everyone still thinks that Jobs is Apple and when he dies the company will fail within a year. blah blah.

Maybe Jobs should not come back after all. Then perhaps folks will figure out that there were more brains in the game and this isn't the Borg Collective where Jobs did the thinking and Cook etc were just mindless servants doing what they were told

Near St. Jude, world renowned hospital.

a world renowned CHILDREN'S hospital.

 

[flopticalcube]

Hopefully tissue engineering will one day mean we won't have to rely on the kindness of strangers (and the subsequent rejection that sometimes follows).

 

[charlituna]

While I'm obviously happy that he's receiving treatment, I can't help but cringe at the AAPL plunge that will occur Monday morning.

which might be why someone made up this story. to cause a drop in stocks so they can buy cheap

Talk about a PR *********...and it's rightly deserved, IMHO, because Apple has handled this entire matter horribly from start to finish.[/QUOTE]

Wow. You'd think they'd be forced disclose this before. Like, some type of stock manipulation attempt.

US regs require disclosure only in the situation that the condition/issue prohibits the party in question from doing his/her job.

given everything that Jobs lead Apple in releasing during his cancer there was no reason to question that he could do his job.

given that he's been on med leave while having and recovering from this alleged transplant, there's no issue about him doing his job

so there was nothing Apple HAD to tell folks. In fact there could be laws prohibiting them from releasing the info unless Jobs gave the okay. and since the media etc think he's the only one at Apple, releasing info of this nature would tank the companies stock. so if they aren't required, they aren't going to say anything.

and yes Apple has been cleared on the 'required' issue already

So, uh, two things:

A. This confirms that he lied to everyone--most importantly shareholders--6 months ago.

confirms nothing given that it's not even confirmed.

Interesting point and first time i've heard this mentioned. Al Gore is on the Board of Apple, and is friends with Steve. Al Gore was the VP of the United States, Senator from Tennessee, and currently lives in Tennessee.

wild and crazy thought. Steve wants to get out of town and away from the media. His buddy Al, who lives in Tennessee, invites him to come out for a little vacation. thus why Jobs was in the area. no hospitals involved

 

[NT1440]

The "medical leave" cover has changed so many times, I can't count how many times we were lied to. Taking a medical leave is one thing, lying about it is another.

Uh, hes on medical leave, aside from that the reasons dont have to be disclosed.

 

[deconstruct60]

Edit: and actually they are responsible for the financial well being of THE SHAREHOLDERS, not of Apple, Corp. The two may not always and forever be mutually compatible.

What? They are responsible for the Shareholders extended term interest in Apple Corp. No way, no how are they responsible for the financial well being of the shareholders as individuals. Nor are they responsible for folks who may have bought in to Apple when the price was irrationally high. In so far as that it is "interest in" matters, they (interest in and Apple inc) aren't really separable in most normal contexts. Liquidating the company is exceptional (whether selling out is better or going forward ... although that one also if the stockholders are mostly going to be paid in stock of the acquiring company. Selling out for billions into a dilluted, weakened company doesn't do squat for the new paper they are about to get in the long term.) but that isn't the normal state (or anywhere close to what is being talked about here).

No way the board is responsible for stock fluctuations over a several day period where speculators charge out/into the stock based on wild interpretations of statements and then the longer term rational market price settles back in. Day and market movement traders are not who the BOD are responsible to.

Of late there is some twisted notions the company is obligated to making the shareholders wealthy in the shortest term possible. That is whacked. In fact that is what is backwards about these relatively short term oriented compensations packages that many companies hand out to the execs. It is now fashionable for short term raiders to come in and wrap themselves in the flag of "shareholder value" or "creative destruction" , but they are often primarily just out to pimp out the company (or an acquiring company) for short term gain. The long term value of their activities to the specific interests is questionable


If the BOD acts in a timely matter to the information as it comes available there is little wrong. Shareholders may wish the BOD was perfectly clairvoyant, but it isn't.

Some of this is bent out of shape because Apple doesn't offer dividends. So the only way investors realize money is buy selling. This causes folks who are holding the stock to watch the price and myopically fixate on the short term "virutal money" than have the difference between the price they bought and what the current strike price is. Plot a chart and look at the average. If staring at the short spikes and valleys will drive yourself looney over the long term.

 

[tmoney468]

I don't know how HIPAA rules apply when it comes to people like Steve Jobs who are at the forefront of a company, but the man is due some privacy for his health.

This reminds me that I need to update my license and become an organ donor.

 

[meagain]

They wouldn't have put a liver in him if the rest of him was bad. Period.
If the cancer thing is true, it is obviously contained (liver). And contained to a point of confidence. The mere fact this was done - is hopeful. Very.

I'm feeling a bit better now since I've thought this through.

 

[guydude193]

As glad as I am to hear he's going to return, I really wish people would just leave him alone! I'd like to see them handle all of this pressure if they got sick and see how they like it.

 

[Bubba Satori]

Are you on your usual Apple-hating trip again? It seems that Apple's board of directors decided that they have excellent replacements for Steve Jobs, so his illness would have no effect on Apple at all. And how many billions has Apple added to its bank account since Steve Jobs left? I think the directors were exactly right.

Now seriously tell us non-haters what has gone wrong for Apple (looking forward to the list), and in the unlikely case you find anything that isn't just your usual trolling, then you also need to explain why it would have been better with Steve Jobs present.

Excuse me ? Are you talking to me ? I'm not on an Apple hating trip. I sell Apple computers.

I see you didn't mention the first point in my post.

If you're a "non-hater", why did you just call me a hater ? Because I voiced an opinion you don't agree with ? Why don't you try to come up with a civil response to my opinion about Apple's board of directors. Or just say you disagree with me.

And btw, I don't need to explain anything to you.

Except they disclosed the critical issue regarding the C.E.O. of the company, meaning that there is nothing with which to prosecute them.

I believe the board has covered up, and possibly lied about the CEO's condition and therefore, possibly harmed the shareholder's financial interests.

 

[Marvin1379]

How sweet would it to be able to say "Steve Jobs has part of my liver."?

I don't think the donor is aware...it's confidential and he or she probably donated after expiring.

 

[iMaggot]

Wow i hope he gets better soon.

 

[BWhaler]

I hope he is better now and is in good health.

Not for Apple, not for us, but for Steve and his family.

 

[*LTD*]

LOL. Another one man focal point with a bunch of supportive role folks is a better position?

Worked like an absolute charm so far . . .

Apple has done nearly everything right since the move to Intel.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

TN has one of the lowest waiting times for a liver in the country, according to the WSJ:
"Tennessee isn't known as a magnet for liver transplants. But wait times do appear to be considerably shorter than elsewhere in the country. In 2006, the median number of days from joining the liver waiting list to transplant was 306 nationally. In Tennessee, it was 48 days."

The real scandal is that how did he bypass or even get on the waiting list at all? There are very few organs donated in the US. People that are near death are the first to get livers.... Jobs was sick, but nowhere near death. People far sicker than him die waiting for a liver. Patients wait for years for a liver, typically. Also from the WSJ: "Last year, 1,481 people died awaiting a donor."

You quoted "48" days from joining the waiting list to getting a liver for Tennessee and then you go on about waiting for YEARS in the next paragraph. (shakes head) Can't you see how the two directly contradict each other? This business with Steve has been going on for many months. 48 days isn't even two months!

And this business someone quoted about 5 years is nonsense. According to this article, for those patients that survive past the first 6 months (no rejection, etc.), the median lifespan is 22 years. That's a far cry from 5!

http://www.hivandhepatitis.com/hep_c/news/2006/101306_c.html

Sometimes, I think people and their tendency to spread false and/or misleading and/or ignorant information is the real reason things like stocks fall when people find out about a procedure like this. No wonder Apple/Steve tried so hard to hide it for so long. I've heard something like 80% of all people playing the stock market have a greater tendency to buy high and sell low than the other way around. No wonder Wall Street failed so quickly on a bit of bad banking and housing news. The world is ending! Sell! Sell! Sell!!! Self-fulfilling prophesies are all too common, I'm afraid.

Sorry if someone else already covered this. I'm not about to read 11 more pages of "OMG! Steve's dying!?!?! Oh <insert favorite expletive here>! There goes Apple! There goes my Appe stock! I feel so sorry for Steve's family too!" They've practically got him buried already and Apple bankrupt and that's just after reading the first three pages.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Support Stem Cell research!!! I want a liver in the shape of CPU
and a heart in the shape of an Apple Logo

 

[LaDirection]

Maybe Jobs should not come back after all. Then perhaps folks will figure out that there were more brains in the game and this isn't the Borg Collective where Jobs did the thinking and Cook etc were just mindless servants doing what they were told

You are unbelievably out of touch with reality.

EVERYTHING that is Apple, from the **** mouse to the great industrial designs, from the complete lack of gaming support to great strong focus on music... EVERYTHING from A to Z is Steve Jobs and Steve Jobs alone. And while board members have fought him on many points, Apple is often regarded as the only company that can so much far reaching innovations so fast because it's run by 1 mind who has total power over everything. There isn't a single person or corporation that cold have brought the music majors to their knees and create a brand new music industry out of thin air.

Steve Jobs has an hypnotic-like charisma that is nearly unequaled in the business world and when he goes for good, so will Apple. Within a few years it will lose focus again and become another generic tech company, but unlike other companies like MS or Dell, Apple's business model in ever field is innovation and so they will eventually die or sell out.

 

[swagi]

Worked like an absolute charm so far . . .

Apple has done nearly everything right since the move to Intel.

Except building computers.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

*ducks away*

 

[keithlcp]

that a good news for apple I love his presentation
and also I want him don't sick any more

 

[southpaw998]

Keynotes will never be the same without him back.

 

[pprior]

You are unbelievably out of touch with reality.

EVERYTHING that is Apple, from the **** mouse to the great industrial designs, from the complete lack of gaming support to great strong focus on music... EVERYTHING from A to Z is Steve Jobs and Steve Jobs alone. And while board members have fought him on many points, Apple is often regarded as the only company that can so much far reaching innovations so fast because it's run by 1 mind who has total power over everything. There isn't a single person or corporation that cold have brought the music majors to their knees and create a brand new music industry out of thin air.

Steve Jobs has an hypnotic-like charisma that is nearly unequaled in the business world and when he goes for good, so will Apple. Within a few years it will lose focus again and become another generic tech company, but unlike other companies like MS or Dell, Apple's business model in ever field is innovation and so they will eventually die or sell out.

I hate to quote entire messages, but I couldn't agree with you more. The demise of many large companies is loss of vision, too many people doing too many things. I too fear for the long term success once he's gone (hence my anger if the facts are being hidden from investors).

I so hope that he is healing and well, but I so doubt that is the case.