Steve Jobs is a liar, Flash works fine on iPhone

boonlar said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wBktYBXMK0

Someone ported Androids Flash 10.1 to IOS for the iPad and iPhone and it works great. I don't even care if it uses more battery I just want the full web.

I bet SJ will be furious when everyone jailbreaks for this and his app store sales go down. :D
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The battery drain is one of the major reasons cited for not utilizing flash. No one is going to JB to have flash. It's such a nice experience without it.
 
It wont be any better or any worse then the android version though, which isnt very good, but i agree we should have the option of it, Though I'll never use it.
 
ItsGavinC said:
The battery drain is one of the major reasons cited for not utilizing flash. No one is going to JB to have flash. It's such a nice experience without it.
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How exactly does it magically drain the battery? You think it will lower your battery life to 30 minutes or something? I doubt it will drain the battery any more than a video or game will. Drink enough apple kool aid?
 
What are you missing by not having Flash?

All of the website I go to either have an iPhone-friendly version or the only flash on the site is ads, which I don't care about.

What are you hoping to do in Flash that you can't already do on the iPhone?

Hulu probably wouldn't work anyway, because they block just about every device except a PC, and I doubt most games would perform well at all.
 
boonlar said:
How exactly does it magically drain the battery? You think it will lower your battery life to 30 minutes or something? I doubt it will drain the battery any more than a video or game will. Drink enough apple kool aid?
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Do you have a mac? If so, ever go to a heavy flash site? The fan sounds like its going to take off because the processor has to work extra hard just to make it work. Just imagine your smaller processor in the iphone trying to do that?

Flash is terrible, and it will die off sooner or later, HTML4 is the future.

People laughed at apple when they stopped putting floppy discs in their computers, but you never see those around anymore do you?
 
Flash video is decoded in software instead of hardware. Doing it this way uses way too many resources and is very processor intensive.

Actual video is processed straight on the hardware. This is done on a low level and can be done much more quickly and efficiently, thus reducing the impact on the battery and the processor.

+1 for no Flash.

Flash can DIAF.
 
boonlar said:
How exactly does it magically drain the battery? You think it will lower your battery life to 30 minutes or something? I doubt it will drain the battery any more than a video or game will. Drink enough apple kool aid?
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Video is decoded through hardware by the GPU. Flash video would be decoded with software, providing much more of a battery drain.

You might have a point with games, though.
 
boonlar said:
How exactly does it magically drain the battery? You think it will lower your battery life to 30 minutes or something? I doubt it will drain the battery any more than a video or game will. Drink enough apple kool aid?
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If you don't know what you're talking about, why start a rant thread to make yourself look like a fool?:confused:
 
boonlar said:
How exactly does it magically drain the battery? You think it will lower your battery life to 30 minutes or something? I doubt it will drain the battery any more than a video or game will. Drink enough apple kool aid?
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Its a horrible hog of resources. For every system.
Thus decreasing battery life unnecessarily.

davelanger said:
Do you have a mac? If so, ever go to a heavy flash site? The fan sounds like its going to take off because the processor has to work extra hard just to make it work. Just imagine your smaller processor in the iphone trying to do that?

Flash is terrible, and it will die off sooner or later, HTML4 is the future.

People laughed at apple when they stopped putting floppy discs in their computers, but you never see those around anymore do you?
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HTML5
 
davelanger said:
Do you have a mac? If so, ever go to a heavy flash site? The fan sounds like its going to take off because the processor has to work extra hard just to make it work. Just imagine your smaller processor in the iphone trying to do that?

Flash is terrible, and it will die off sooner or later, HTML4 is the future.

People laughed at apple when they stopped putting floppy discs in their computers, but you never see those around anymore do you?
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No I only use PC's and flash runs great on them especially 10.1 with GPU video decoding. Flash probably sucks on macs because the OS is more closed and I bet the developers are limited in what APIs they can use. I haven't had Flash crash my any of my PCs since the early 2000s.

Flash has been available for mobile devices for at least 3 years now. I used to use a nokia n810 tablet with flash on it and it had a crappy 600mhz ARM11 processor. That was 3 years ago and it ran acceptably. The new iphone has a 1ghz cpu so it should run great like in the video

Flash won't be going anywhere any time soon. Just because it sucks on macs doesn't mean anything when macs are 10% of the market. PC users are fine with flash and it is here to stay imo.

chris.robison said:
Flash video is decoded in software instead of hardware. Doing it this way uses way too many resources and is very processor intensive.

Actual video is processed straight on the hardware. This is done on a low level and can be done much more quickly and efficiently, thus reducing the impact on the battery and the processor.

+1 for no Flash.

Flash can DIAF.
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Flash 10.1 has hardware decoding
 
boonlar said:
How exactly does it magically drain the battery? You think it will lower your battery life to 30 minutes or something? I doubt it will drain the battery any more than a video or game will. Drink enough apple kool aid?
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Let's see. You start the thread by insulting someone who is arguably the most successful contemporary CEO around, and follow up by insulting anyone who dares to disagree with your opinion. I wonder how useful this thread will be?

Playing CPU and GPU intensive games does cut your battery life dramatically and there's nothing "magical" about it. They're designed to get the most from the hardware. Presumably users who have time to spend 5 hours playing a game on a given day are in a different category from those who rely on getting 7-8 hours of use during a work day. If every web page I visit can arbitrarily decide to include Flash and cut my battery life by 30% then that's a very real problem. If it crashes Safari a few times a day then that's an even worse experience.

Adobe hasn't shown the kind of attention to efficiency and reliability on OS X that would lend anyone at Apple a sense of confidence about their product belonging on a mobile device. Flash routinely hogged CPU and ran my laptop hot when I was casually browsing until I finally disabled it. Being able to run a demo isn't the issue - adding enough value to the user experience to be worth the tradeoffs is. In Apple's view and my own it doesn't meet that bar.
 
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boonlar said:
No I only use PC's and flash runs great on them especially 10.1 with GPU video decoding. Flash probably sucks on macs because the OS is more closed and I bet the developers are limited in what APIs they can use. I haven't had Flash crash my any of my PCs since the early 2000s.

Flash has been available for mobile devices for at least 3 years now. I used to use a nokia n810 tablet with flash on it and it had a crappy 600mhz ARM11 processor. That was 3 years ago and it ran acceptably. The new iphone has a 1ghz cpu so it should run great like in the video

Flash won't be going anywhere any time soon. Just because it sucks on macs doesn't mean anything when macs are 10% of the market. PC users are fine with flash and it is here to stay imo.
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Flash sucks on Mac because Adobe has yet to ship a version of Flash that DOESN'T suck on Mac. (Circular I know.) Not because the OS is more "closed" than windows.

Adobe has also yet to ship a 64bit version for Windows. Which is the ONLY reason I'm even using 32bit IE at all. (Some work applications require IE, otherwise I'd be Chrome all the way).

Also, please remember that in the real world, processor frequencies rarely matter unless you're comparing the same model. X processor by Intel isn't any better than Y processor by Apple just because of a higher frequency. There's a whole lot more going on under the hood.
 
boonlar said:
No I only use PC's and flash runs great on them especially 10.1 with GPU video decoding.
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PCs are designed to run a lot of heavyweight applications. A high-end PC is easily 50 times faster than a phone, while even a moderate laptop is at least 20 times faster. Battery is correspondingly more of an issue on the smaller devices.

Flash probably sucks on macs because the OS is more closed and I bet the developers are limited in what APIs they can use.
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Flash sucks on Macs because Adobe didn't care about the user experience. There are plenty of opportunities they haven't taken advantage of because they were dismissive about the limited market share and just wanted to make sure Flash was available, not worrying about whether it ran really well.

I haven't had Flash crash my any of my PCs since the early 2000s.
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So why are modern browsers touting Flash crash protection as a major feature? Oh, and that's on a browser that was released two weeks ago, not ten years ago.
 
I can honestly say I've not once missed having flash on my iPod. Infact, a lot of Ads use flash, and they just show up as blue Lego-bricks in Safari, which is EPIC.

So IMHO, the lack of flash is actually a good thing. :p Ive nothing against it, and I can't say I've ever had performance problems with it on any desktop computer, nor any browser crashes because of it, but I have never missed it on my device. Ever. I doubt I'd even miss it on my Mac, either, because I can't actually think of anything I use flash for.
 
I'm suprised this didn't happen sooner to be honest.
Still most likely won't use it as there hasn't ever been a time when I was desperate for flash.
EDIT: I'm actually suprised at how unanimus tis opinion is. Only OP seems to want flash.
 
Harmush said:
Its a horrible hog of resources. For every system.
Thus decreasing battery life unnecessarily.



HTML5
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Sorry, yes HTML5, typo, at least someone is paying attention :)

boonlar said:
No I only use PC's and flash runs great on them especially 10.1 with GPU video decoding. Flash probably sucks on macs because the OS is more closed and I bet the developers are limited in what APIs they can use. I haven't had Flash crash my any of my PCs since the early 2000s.

Flash has been available for mobile devices for at least 3 years now. I used to use a nokia n810 tablet with flash on it and it had a crappy 600mhz ARM11 processor. That was 3 years ago and it ran acceptably. The new iphone has a 1ghz cpu so it should run great like in the video

Flash won't be going anywhere any time soon. Just because it sucks on macs doesn't mean anything when macs are 10% of the market. PC users are fine with flash and it is here to stay imo.
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Its also a hog on PCs as well, did you ever look at the resources when flash is being used even on a pc?

And flash dying off eventually has nothing to do with the mac only being 10% of the market, look at the percent of the market the iphone has, not to mention the ipad. Sites are going to switch to HTML5 because they want those people to be able to view their sites, not to mention HTML5 is much easier to use than flash.

A lot of people that dont know what they are doing use flash, and that is why it crashes so many browsers.

HMTL5 is going to overtake Flash within the next few years.
Youtube is already in beta for html5 and it runs much better than the flash version.
 
I could care less about flash and it's not needed on the iPhone. With the hulu app for the iPhone that's one less thing flash is needed for. Also CBS is now supporting HMTL 5 on it's website.

So at this point all the outcries about not being able to access their favorite content from Flash sites is becoming rather moot.
 
Obviously the correct solution here is a switch in Settings so those of us who want to view a site that requires Flash player can do so. Anyone who argues against this is just a fanboy.

Not all companies can afford to rewrite their sites into HTML5 this year and many of us would like the full web in the meantime. We're big boys, we can manage our batteries just fine.
 
aperry said:
Obviously the correct solution here is a switch in Settings so those of us who want to view a site that requires Flash player can do so. Anyone who argues against this is just a fanboy.
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So because i disagree with you i'm a fanboy? :rolleyes: Thanks i didn't realize that society had progressed to the point of being the collective borg and that anyone who had an opinion that differed from yours is reduced to being called names :D

Nice to know that the only person who is right is someone who thinks the way you do. And if the iPhone did have flash i can see the Flash Fan boys blaming apple for problems with battery life instead of the Software even if there was a way to toggle it on/off.
 
aperry said:
Obviously the correct solution here is a switch in Settings so those of us who want to view a site that requires Flash player can do so. Anyone who argues against this is just a fanboy.

Not all companies can afford to rewrite their sites into HTML5 this year and many of us would like the full web in the meantime. We're big boys, we can manage our batteries just fine.
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Yeah so everyone can cry why is their battery dying so fast, or why their phone keeps crashing on sites that just have flash ads but the site isnt in flash.

Especially if someones parent or grandparent who is not tech savvy does not know about that kind of thing is always wondering why their battery is dying after an hour or two of viewing flash sites.

They will think its broken. Its not you Apple worries about not being able to manage their batteries, its the mom and dads who dont know the first thing about it. Have you ever done tech support before or tried to explain something technical to one of your parents or even grandparents?


Also, aren't their virus's tied to flash as well?
 
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