Looks pretty cool but, I won't call you an idiot, I'm not any kind of fan/hateboy of anything, but calling Steve Jobs a "liar" is not exactly nice, he made other remarkable points, and i doubt that a website that almost crashes my web browser on my Computer will work "fine" in a way less powerful device
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Steve Jobs is a liar, Flash works fine on iPhone
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Looks pretty cool but, I won't call you an idiot, I'm not any kind of fan/hateboy of anything, but calling Steve Jobs a "liar" is not exactly nice, he made other remarkable points, and i doubt that a website that almost crashes my web browser on my Computer will work "fine" in a way less powerful device
I don't believe that for one minute.
If you have a PC that crashes, then you have a PC that is in need of proper maintenance and optimization. I have six laptops. A MacBook Pro, then one runs XP, Two run Windows 7, and the others Linux and Unix. The one running XP has not crashed in four years. And that is not anything special, it's just how a good PC runs. All this nonsense that Apple spews about PC's is just that. Nonsense.
I'm composing this from the keyboard of my 2010 MacBook Pro, about the 12th Apple Laptop I've owned in the last fifteen years. They are excellent and so are the ThinkPads I own. They are simply different that's all. There is no reason to bash an Apple or Windows Based PC.
Personally I like the Mac, I like Apples great design.
Their were many "good years" that Apple enjoyed before the CEO went wacko and started massive turmoil in the industry that I've been a part of for fifteen years. All this BS about Flash, when few people seem to remember just how much Adobe helped Apple put MacIntosh computers on the map. A great deal of the success in graphics design in the early days is attributed to Adobe and Apple working together.
Some people let success go to their head, there is no better example than Jobs. He used to be a great guy that did world class work. Now he's out of control. He's doing everything he can to change the landscape to his liking. It's just wrong.
Performance was always a bit of a red herring. Obviously either such a solution could be found or the hardware would become fast enough.
Basically Flash poses a number of problems for Apple and Adobe reportedly hasn't been all that corporative over the past three years at doing what Apple wants. So, I think rather than keep fighting and getting lambasted for not having Flash (even though no one else has either) I think they just said screw it lets focus on the future rather than shoe horning Flash into mobile.
Basically Flash poses a number of problems for Apple and Adobe reportedly hasn't been all that corporative over the past three years at doing what Apple wants. So, I think rather than keep fighting and getting lambasted for not having Flash (even though no one else has either) I think they just said screw it lets focus on the future rather than shoe horning Flash into mobile.
Sorry to hear of your illness...
All the best.
(from the keyboard of my MacBook Pro... made by Apple in case you didn't know)
Cosign. If you think this isn't about money and control your a fool. Wake up and stop kissing Steve Jobs
ssIf anything Flash should be an option with an on/off switch. The customer should decide if they want to sacrifice Flash for battery life not Jobs.
You think the app store games would sell if you could hop yourself online and play free flash games?
Wake Up!
Which I am sure, if you haven't already, you'll be whining and railing about soon...
You've shown yourself to be an extremist, ranting about everything from geo-political conspiracies at Apple to personal insults of Steve Jobs...
How could you possibly expect anyone to take you seriously when you are ranting and raving about evil corporate profits, purposeful deceiving, lying and selfish profit taking by Apple...
This is not a political forum, it's an Apple/Mac fan site...LOL
People civilly discuss Apple/Mac technical problems here all the time without the ranting and raving about corporate corruption, the CEO "lying", and anti capitalist selfishness...
If you've got a problem with an Apple product, state the problem and leave all the personal attacks, geo-politics and conspiracy theories out of it...Geeeezuz....
I don't disagree, here is my take on the "flash controversy".
If we look back a few years, everyone was using flash on their computers and life was just fine. Then a very small, and innocuous cold war broke out between Apple and Adobe. This preceded the meteoric rise of the smartphone. It was political as is typical of many small controversies. It simmered for quite some time while Jobs and his counterpart at Adobe, had their disagreements. I truly believe this conflict is so old that only a very few insiders even know how it got started. Anyway, it did and it escalated, and yet it was not covered in the press at that point. Slowly Apple spread the word that flash was the problem behind the slow downs noticed when running it on Apples computers. Then when Apple migrated to the Intel processor, they ramped up the campaign to kill flash. I believe at that point, it would have been very wise for Apple to simply buy Adobe. From a technical standpoint I understand flash, and I know what the problems are. They are easily resolved, but not in a "cold war" environment. A battle of egos prevent any progress. Heels dug in... everyone loses.
Fast forward to today. Apple wants total control, as they always have had. Building both the hardware and software as they have for many years, they are used to total control and as long as this flash war continues, they don't have it. However as we all know Apple is on a roll, they are wildly successful from a monetary standpoint, and that is what makes them so powerful. So powerful, they've recently convinced the public that any internet site that uses flash is not "iPad ready". What a crock. Only Apple could pull that off.
At the end of the day, it would be great to see the flash controversy go away, as Jobs will never back down, he has to be right at all costs.
I find it rather amusing that YOU are the one judging, the one name calling and labeling. YOU made it personal... insecure?
Your hate consumes you...you are a one trick pony with an extremist agenda...it is evident in your every post...
I didn't know that because I only used it for less than a day. Doesn't change the result.
I gave my mother an iPad in mid-June. Alas, it arrived to me a day later than I expected, so I only had it overnight to set it up before I had to mail it to her for her birthday.
In my rush, I added some popular family website bookmarks without trying them. One set of bookmarks was to family pictures on Flickr, where my parents were used to viewing slideshows.
So when she clicked on those, expecting to be able to do a slideshow from Safari, she got something like an "you must download Flash" error. For shortness here, I called it a blue box. You knew what I meant.
I doubt very seriously that it would've been a "battery killer". For that matter, I'd have gladly given up an hour or two just to prevent her disappointment. (She keeps it on a dock next to her so battery life really isn't a problem anyway. I suspect many people do.)
FYi that is his job, to build shareholder value, nothing more nothing else. He is not running a charity or to make fans happy.
I have watched the D8 interview and I respect Jobs position, although I do not agree with it.
The specifics aside, the problem I have with Steve Jobs / Apples position on Flash is that instead of simply making a statement that it's not for them, and they will be going in a different direction. Jobs has taken it to a juvenile level by criticizing Adobe. By "blaming them" for this and that.
When is the last time you heard the CEO of a major corporation go on record and bash another major corporation? Doesn't happen.
For clarification, Apple already makes billions. I hardly think that he has to use underhanded shady tactics to make more money.
I will agree with your statement above, since you need to be right.
You will notice I have not labeled you, I have not judged you, I have not attacked you, I have not called you names...
Cheers...
Things worked, but they were far from fine. Resource hogging...bogged down systems...and computer freezes tied to Adobe products were fairly common, with little relief from Adobe.
Personally, I don't like Flash, but some people do. However, I get tired of all the ranting about the Iphone/Ipod/Ipad not having it. That's Apples's buisness choice. If someone feels they want or need Flash, tablets on the market available for purchase...you can JB your Iphone, or wait for another smart-phone with flash on it.
Really? Apparently you don't really pay attention to any business news. It happens quite a lot. Nintendo has a tendency to do it, though a bit more subtly.
It is evident you don't understand what had happened. It was ADOBE that made a huge fuss about the iPhone keeping flash out. Apple didn't say a peep in their keynotes about keeping Flash out. It wasn't until the iPad release where the CEO of Adobe and head director of flash development started coming out to the press, it was then that SJ responded and started to be more vocal about it.
Apple wants control because it understands that the only way to create a great user experience is to control content and software. It's a very well done job.
We are web designers way back in the day we were told not to use flash because most people had a slow internet connection, when that was no longer an issue everybody on the web abused flash it was all over the place a little bit of flash was ok but site owners wanted the flashy looking pages!
i have had a Mac now for six years and i have installed click to flash, and now my web browsing is so much calmer
I would hate flash on my iPhone not for the battery issue but for the flash issue it's intrusive and very very annoying and used mostly by advertisers.
i welcome the day when all content is also viewable in html5
i have had a Mac now for six years and i have installed click to flash, and now my web browsing is so much calmer
I would hate flash on my iPhone not for the battery issue but for the flash issue it's intrusive and very very annoying and used mostly by advertisers.
i welcome the day when all content is also viewable in html5
Haha I always wondered why my macbook sounds like it's going to blow up every once in awhile. i'm going to keep track of the sites I'm on when it happens now.
I don't miss flash all that much on my iphone.
Every company has the right to make products the way they want to make them and include features they want to include.
In Apple's case, it's precisely why they are successful. You do realize that if Apple merely gave people everything they wanted, they'd be no different than any other PC company (who are all struggling, btw).
The reason I buy Apple is because they actually put thought into their products. PCs are designed by focus groups, while there is a clear vision and focus to Macs.
PC companies: "Our focus group tells us they want an i7 ulraportable with five USB ports, and x, y, z other features." They create an overheating cluttered mess that's an eyesore to look at with ridiculously low battery life.
Apple: "What do WE feel will provide the overall best user experience?" They look at the product as a whole, instead of individual features.
As for the argument that Apple wants people to buy games instead of playing free flash games, that's absurd. I NEVER play free flash games yet I still buy Aop store games. People that play these facebook games (like FarmVille) can usually find them available in the AppStore for FREE.
In Apple's case, it's precisely why they are successful. You do realize that if Apple merely gave people everything they wanted, they'd be no different than any other PC company (who are all struggling, btw).
The reason I buy Apple is because they actually put thought into their products. PCs are designed by focus groups, while there is a clear vision and focus to Macs.
PC companies: "Our focus group tells us they want an i7 ulraportable with five USB ports, and x, y, z other features." They create an overheating cluttered mess that's an eyesore to look at with ridiculously low battery life.
Apple: "What do WE feel will provide the overall best user experience?" They look at the product as a whole, instead of individual features.
As for the argument that Apple wants people to buy games instead of playing free flash games, that's absurd. I NEVER play free flash games yet I still buy Aop store games. People that play these facebook games (like FarmVille) can usually find them available in the AppStore for FREE.