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Steve Jobs is "a visionary, but he's on the wrong platform."
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The more I look, the fewer artists I see with 7.95 priced albums...In fact I havn't seen one and I've been browsing for a half hour. These are essentially the price I would pay for a CD in a store if I shopped around for a good deal, with restrictions saying pretty much that I can't do a whole lot. With these prices, It's not easy to see how buymusic.com can succeed.
Tropical Storm (2002) (Explicit Content - Parental Advisory)
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Artist: Beenie Man
Release Date: 8/19/2002
Label: Virgin
Album Price: $13.59
Content Usage Rules for Album and Tracks
Downloads - 1 Transfers - 3 Burns - 3
Tropical Storm (2002) (Explicit Content - Parental Advisory)
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Artist: Beenie Man
Release Date: 8/19/2002
Label: Virgin
Album Price: $13.59
Content Usage Rules for Album and Tracks
Downloads - 1 Transfers - 3 Burns - 3
Have you tried their nifty search feature? I keep getting "The specified server could not be found." Message. Doesn't matter what catagory I pick to search from - same lame message.
Sorry,
not to troll, but Steve was not a visionary when it comes to iTMS. He was just able to do what emusic and alot of other services were not - Convinve the big 5 to give him less restricitve DRM.
Emusic service has no DRM (At least when I used it TWO YEARS AGO) uses mp3 as the format and you are free to do whatever with all the files. So what was the downfall of Emusic? The big 5 refused to participate.
PressPlay, MP3.com, etc.. There are tons of services that came out before iTMS with the only caveat being more DRM.
So.
Once again.
Not to troll, but iTMS is visionary only in that it got the big 5 to participlate with less DRM. (and I think that is because it uses such a little used audio format on a platform with < 5% user base. - no to disparage the audio format - it's just not supported as widely as mp3 or wma)
Felt like that needed to be said considering all the "the Window's world copied Apple again and does it poorly again" comments.
not to troll, but Steve was not a visionary when it comes to iTMS. He was just able to do what emusic and alot of other services were not - Convinve the big 5 to give him less restricitve DRM.
Emusic service has no DRM (At least when I used it TWO YEARS AGO) uses mp3 as the format and you are free to do whatever with all the files. So what was the downfall of Emusic? The big 5 refused to participate.
PressPlay, MP3.com, etc.. There are tons of services that came out before iTMS with the only caveat being more DRM.
So.
Once again.
Not to troll, but iTMS is visionary only in that it got the big 5 to participlate with less DRM. (and I think that is because it uses such a little used audio format on a platform with < 5% user base. - no to disparage the audio format - it's just not supported as widely as mp3 or wma)
Felt like that needed to be said considering all the "the Window's world copied Apple again and does it poorly again" comments.
one not so subtle touch
Take a look at the Tommy Lee commercial. They show the very guitar model that Apple uses as the banner for their apple.com/music site being photographed, and then Tommy Lee slips in afterwards to pick it up and smash it.
A not so subtle message as to what buymusic.com thinks it will do to Apple's music service.
In their dreams...
Take a look at the Tommy Lee commercial. They show the very guitar model that Apple uses as the banner for their apple.com/music site being photographed, and then Tommy Lee slips in afterwards to pick it up and smash it.
A not so subtle message as to what buymusic.com thinks it will do to Apple's music service.
In their dreams...
I tend to agree, I was an emusic subscriber. While it was great for a couple months, I quickly ran out of decent music to get from them.
So, they expect that their buyers are going to be smart enough to remember how many times they burn a song?
I hope buymusic.com fails, not because I am scared of apple getting competition but rather because they went the anti apple rout, how do you spell originality? Seriously, that is the best they could do for ads?
Does anyone else here check out the new releases or just added section at iTMS? Today seems to be a record day for number of songs added to iTMS, not that I was interested in any of them, just was happy to see so many added.
In support of iTMS, I purchased a song today!
I hope buymusic.com fails, not because I am scared of apple getting competition but rather because they went the anti apple rout, how do you spell originality? Seriously, that is the best they could do for ads?
Does anyone else here check out the new releases or just added section at iTMS? Today seems to be a record day for number of songs added to iTMS, not that I was interested in any of them, just was happy to see so many added.
In support of iTMS, I purchased a song today!
$14.99 for the CD on BestBuy.com. Then I can make as many copies as I like for home, work, car, portable player.
Add the cost of a blank CD-R and a jewel case (admittedly, not much, but still not free), and what have I gained?
Hahahhaha...Everyone that uses the iTunes Music Store should download a few songs and send the count of songs sold this week to records numbers to send a message to BuyMusic.com.
But the Windows quote is so true, in this case, especially. SJ got done EXACTLY what the others could not do. Don't assume for a minute that because other services preexisted iTunes Music Store that Steve is not a visionary. On the contrary, he knew exactly what the problems would be -that comes from being IN the industry- and Apple took its time to get both iTunes and the Music Store to come together superbly. The drongos who started these earlier services were absolutely NOT visionaries as they introduced flawed and unworkable schemes... something they should have known in the first place.
The rip off of the iTunes site, though poor in execution and with all the gaudy icandy liik of XP just goes to show where vision is lacking. Can't somebody in the Wintel world do anything with class? It must have happened somewhere but I have yet to see or recognize it. It will be interesting to see if Apple has some intellectual rights in the look and feel of their Music Store.. and if so, whether they will take any action.
I'm buy'n an album today from iMS (probably two). come on guys.....show the BuyCrap.com execs what's up
Re: Steve Jobs is "a visionary, but he's on the wrong platform."
All I have to say:
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
All I have to say:
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Ok, maybe these buymusic executives are smart. if you want to search for a song you get "can't find specified server" and it doesn't even do anything in safari! dont let anyone search for music! man these guys are imaginative, way ahead of steve
Let me see... buymusic.com...
1. Excessive DRM
2. WMA format
3. Doesn't work with mozilla (on windows xp)
That's three thumbs down!
1. Excessive DRM
2. WMA format
3. Doesn't work with mozilla (on windows xp)
That's three thumbs down!
Here's the reply i got from Buy.com and they didn't exactly reply to all of the message.
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Hello,
Thank you for contacting buy.com.
We are responding to your request for information about license
restrictions.
We apologize for any confusion. When you purchase and download music
from BuyMusic.com, your music files are accompanied by a license with
certain minimal restrictions. The music files are encrypted with SDMI
license technology to be sure that they are used according to your
license restrictions.
IMPORTANT: Make sure you mean to buy your music from your primary
computer (Example: Your Home Computer) so that it contains your primary
license. The licenses are non-transferable. Example: You cannot buy your
music on your home machine and then transfer your primary license to
your work machine. The computer you buy from becomes the primary
computer with the primary license for that song. You can only copy music
from your primary machine via your primary license.
See License Restrictions for details at
http://www.buymusic.com/support/help.aspx#License_Downloading
Downloading, Transferring, and Burning
Each record label has control over these license restrictions including
the number of times you may:
- download your songs from BuyMusic.com to your computer(s)
- transfer your songs to another computer(s)
- transfer your songs to a portable digital media player
- burn your songs to CD
BuyMusic.com complies with each record label and adjusts the SDMI
license on each of your music downloads accordingly.
Two Types of Licenses: Primary and Secondary
There are two types of licenses: Primary and Secondary. The primary
license is downloaded to the machine you used to buy your music (for
example your home computer). Your primary license enables you to copy
your music from your primary computer to your digital media players
F4you download a secondary license, you do so onto a secondary computer
(for example your work computer). Your secondary license enables you
ONLY to listen to your music on your secondary computer. A secondary
license does NOT allow you to copy your music from your secondary
computer to your digital media players or to burn it to your CDs. F4
Before You Buy: Icons Show Number of Copies Allowed
When you download songs, your licenses are downloaded too. When you
lookup a song, notice that each song displays icons showing the number
of times it may be copied via the primary license.
The Disk icon shows the number of times the song can be downloaded to
disk.
- The Digital Media Player icon shows the number of times you can
download the song to digital media players.
- The Computer icon shows the number of times you can download your
music with a secondary license to a secondary computer.
- The icons apply only to your primary license on your primary computer.
The icons do not apply to the secondary license on your secondary
computer. You cannot use the secondary license to copy music at all.
After You Buy: Your Receipt Shows Number of Copies Allowed
After you've purchased your music, you can go back to see how many
downloads you have left and find out if there are any restrictions on
the number of disks or media player downloads you can make. Log in, go
to your Account page, and open the receipt page to view the music you
have previously purchased. Your receipt shows the same information as
the icons on the song description page.
Example: Downloads: 2 - Digital Media Players: Unlimited CDs: 3. In
this example, you could download your music to one primary and one
secondary computer (two downloads total) AND you could copy your music
to your digital media player as many times as you like (unlimited) AND
you could burn each song to a CD three times.
The receipt page applies only to your primary license on your primary
computer. You cannot use the secondary license on your secondary
computer to copy music at all.
Uploading to a Shared Web Site Not Permitted
Your license does not permit your music files to be uploaded onto a
shared server or made available on internet web sites (Example:
KaZaA.com or Morpheus).
Although you might be physically able to upload the files to a shared
server, the music files will be rendered useless to anyone who downloads
them because of the DRM license encryption technology.
If you have further questions, please contact us at
support@customerservice.buymusic.com.
We appreciate your business.
Sincerely,
Team buy.com
www.buy.com
Original Message Follows:
------------------------
Order Number:
First of all...Your commericals are a TOTAL rip-off of Apple's iTunes
Music Store commericals.
So here are the questions. What if I get a new computer and get rid of
my old one? My primary license is now gone? Even if I had full rights
from both computers, what if I am out of "download" credit for a track
but I get a new machine?
And since you have to use the site to get the secondary license, what if
they go under? My music is now trapped on my PC forever?
I don't know much about SDMI, but how do they limit the number of burns?
It seems they would also have to use the website for that (or can the
music actually store how many burns are remaining? If so, I imagine
someone would find a way to hack the file to increase the count). So if
they went under, you couldn't even burn to CD...
And it's not copatible with the iPod?!?! That alone will make many
people not use it b/c they use it instead of CD's. The iPod is the best
Media Player on the market and the most popular and even if it's made by
Apple your just killing your self by not allowing support for it.
Your music service is doomed in my opinion.
.
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Hello,
Thank you for contacting buy.com.
We are responding to your request for information about license
restrictions.
We apologize for any confusion. When you purchase and download music
from BuyMusic.com, your music files are accompanied by a license with
certain minimal restrictions. The music files are encrypted with SDMI
license technology to be sure that they are used according to your
license restrictions.
IMPORTANT: Make sure you mean to buy your music from your primary
computer (Example: Your Home Computer) so that it contains your primary
license. The licenses are non-transferable. Example: You cannot buy your
music on your home machine and then transfer your primary license to
your work machine. The computer you buy from becomes the primary
computer with the primary license for that song. You can only copy music
from your primary machine via your primary license.
See License Restrictions for details at
http://www.buymusic.com/support/help.aspx#License_Downloading
Downloading, Transferring, and Burning
Each record label has control over these license restrictions including
the number of times you may:
- download your songs from BuyMusic.com to your computer(s)
- transfer your songs to another computer(s)
- transfer your songs to a portable digital media player
- burn your songs to CD
BuyMusic.com complies with each record label and adjusts the SDMI
license on each of your music downloads accordingly.
Two Types of Licenses: Primary and Secondary
There are two types of licenses: Primary and Secondary. The primary
license is downloaded to the machine you used to buy your music (for
example your home computer). Your primary license enables you to copy
your music from your primary computer to your digital media players
F4you download a secondary license, you do so onto a secondary computer
(for example your work computer). Your secondary license enables you
ONLY to listen to your music on your secondary computer. A secondary
license does NOT allow you to copy your music from your secondary
computer to your digital media players or to burn it to your CDs. F4
Before You Buy: Icons Show Number of Copies Allowed
When you download songs, your licenses are downloaded too. When you
lookup a song, notice that each song displays icons showing the number
of times it may be copied via the primary license.
The Disk icon shows the number of times the song can be downloaded to
disk.
- The Digital Media Player icon shows the number of times you can
download the song to digital media players.
- The Computer icon shows the number of times you can download your
music with a secondary license to a secondary computer.
- The icons apply only to your primary license on your primary computer.
The icons do not apply to the secondary license on your secondary
computer. You cannot use the secondary license to copy music at all.
After You Buy: Your Receipt Shows Number of Copies Allowed
After you've purchased your music, you can go back to see how many
downloads you have left and find out if there are any restrictions on
the number of disks or media player downloads you can make. Log in, go
to your Account page, and open the receipt page to view the music you
have previously purchased. Your receipt shows the same information as
the icons on the song description page.
Example: Downloads: 2 - Digital Media Players: Unlimited CDs: 3. In
this example, you could download your music to one primary and one
secondary computer (two downloads total) AND you could copy your music
to your digital media player as many times as you like (unlimited) AND
you could burn each song to a CD three times.
The receipt page applies only to your primary license on your primary
computer. You cannot use the secondary license on your secondary
computer to copy music at all.
Uploading to a Shared Web Site Not Permitted
Your license does not permit your music files to be uploaded onto a
shared server or made available on internet web sites (Example:
KaZaA.com or Morpheus).
Although you might be physically able to upload the files to a shared
server, the music files will be rendered useless to anyone who downloads
them because of the DRM license encryption technology.
If you have further questions, please contact us at
support@customerservice.buymusic.com.
We appreciate your business.
Sincerely,
Team buy.com
www.buy.com
Original Message Follows:
------------------------
Order Number:
First of all...Your commericals are a TOTAL rip-off of Apple's iTunes
Music Store commericals.
So here are the questions. What if I get a new computer and get rid of
my old one? My primary license is now gone? Even if I had full rights
from both computers, what if I am out of "download" credit for a track
but I get a new machine?
And since you have to use the site to get the secondary license, what if
they go under? My music is now trapped on my PC forever?
I don't know much about SDMI, but how do they limit the number of burns?
It seems they would also have to use the website for that (or can the
music actually store how many burns are remaining? If so, I imagine
someone would find a way to hack the file to increase the count). So if
they went under, you couldn't even burn to CD...
And it's not copatible with the iPod?!?! That alone will make many
people not use it b/c they use it instead of CD's. The iPod is the best
Media Player on the market and the most popular and even if it's made by
Apple your just killing your self by not allowing support for it.
Your music service is doomed in my opinion.
.
------
stupid
I find it absurd that here is a company that reaches 95 or whatever percent of the PC market, yet they bash our 2.5 or so percent of the market? How lame is that? Yeah, real original.
Regarding the DRM... Who wants to have to keep track of what they do with their music? Thats the beauty of the ITMS. Simple, straightforward and effective.
I find it absurd that here is a company that reaches 95 or whatever percent of the PC market, yet they bash our 2.5 or so percent of the market? How lame is that? Yeah, real original.
Regarding the DRM... Who wants to have to keep track of what they do with their music? Thats the beauty of the ITMS. Simple, straightforward and effective.
Figures, just an automated response. Come on Buymusic.com, sew your balls back on and make a real response!
BTW, the search feature works fine for IE on PC. Kind of lame for them to not even bother making the SITE compatible with macs...
at least Apple's coming out with a version that will work for PCs. These guys are having lots of fun rubbing the non-mac-compatible-thing in people's faces. Not a way to do business. Professional? I don't think so.
Alia
at least Apple's coming out with a version that will work for PCs. These guys are having lots of fun rubbing the non-mac-compatible-thing in people's faces. Not a way to do business. Professional? I don't think so.
Alia
I just bought a bunch of songs, i've been meaning to get. Itunes is so much better then buy.com, yea .79 for songs i would't listen to in a lifetime, and almost 14$ for some cds with restrctions, not worth it.
-Neal
-Neal