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Steve Jobs is "a visionary, but he's on the wrong platform."
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...Says Buy.com founder Scott Blum: "In the computer industry, a month is a huge amount of time, and we're going to take advantage of it." He says he's prepared to sell 1 million songs a day. "I expect to do 200 million to 300 million downloads in the first year."...
Hahaha...yea right...There service may do alright at first but once people start finding out and understanding that most songs are not $.79 and that some are over $1 then they will start to back away and stop downloading. If iTunes Music Store was released right now for Windows exaclty like it is for the Macintosh then Buy.com's Music Service would be swept under the rug.
Hahaha...yea right...There service may do alright at first but once people start finding out and understanding that most songs are not $.79 and that some are over $1 then they will start to back away and stop downloading. If iTunes Music Store was released right now for Windows exaclty like it is for the Macintosh then Buy.com's Music Service would be swept under the rug.
I was thinking about timing, didn't SJ say he was working on the iTMS for over a year? We know he wasn't ripping the songs back then, because they use the .m4p (AAC Protected format) of MEPG-4. Althought MP4 and AAC were ready far before now, if I remember right the DRM spec for MPEG-4 was only finished soon after iTMS came out (weird in its own right)
So i'm wondering how the bullocks buymusic managed to rip 300,000 songs betwen when iTMS came out and now. Plus SJ said iTMS had 300k songs, right? And it seems to me each week they add more than the week before, I ddi the math I think we're supposed to be at about 320,000 songs or more by now.
Finally does anyone know anything abourt DRM on windows? I know that's MS's big deal with WM9 format, but i don't know anything about it. I know on MacOS X you use iTunes 4 to manage accounts (enable playability) and this info is passed on to QuickTime 6.2 so you can use protected files as if they were plain ones.
So i'm wondering how the bullocks buymusic managed to rip 300,000 songs betwen when iTMS came out and now. Plus SJ said iTMS had 300k songs, right? And it seems to me each week they add more than the week before, I ddi the math I think we're supposed to be at about 320,000 songs or more by now.
Finally does anyone know anything abourt DRM on windows? I know that's MS's big deal with WM9 format, but i don't know anything about it. I know on MacOS X you use iTunes 4 to manage accounts (enable playability) and this info is passed on to QuickTime 6.2 so you can use protected files as if they were plain ones.
One more thing, I realllly wish I had a picture of the iTMS facilities. Imagine 10 PowerMacG5s with some custom ripping software. Each with a pile of CDs next to their mac and another room with a 100 Xserves and Xserve RAIDS in it. Almost as impressive as amazon (which although it uses HP technology, is beautifully automated)
(While i'm still ranting)
From the USAToday article:
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"If you don't support Windows, you cut off 97% of the market," Blum says. "The iPod is the best little product I've ever seen, but it's like building the best car in the world, yet it doesn't use everyone's gas."
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If "everyone's gas" is Windows Media Player i'll drive hydrogen.
Oh and iPod for windows (which isn't even a product anymore) is compatable with iTunes you ninny. Plus there will be iTunes Windows soon enough, then you can feel the burn. Ooooh i can't wait. THis reminds me of when Mike Dell said he was first with laptops with 802.11.....
From the USAToday article:
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"If you don't support Windows, you cut off 97% of the market," Blum says. "The iPod is the best little product I've ever seen, but it's like building the best car in the world, yet it doesn't use everyone's gas."
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If "everyone's gas" is Windows Media Player i'll drive hydrogen.
Oh and iPod for windows (which isn't even a product anymore) is compatable with iTunes you ninny. Plus there will be iTunes Windows soon enough, then you can feel the burn. Ooooh i can't wait. THis reminds me of when Mike Dell said he was first with laptops with 802.11.....
Wrong platform? A Msg for Blum
Here is what I sent to Scott at buy.com LOL
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Dear Scott Blum
You are funny and your buy music sucks. Let me guess, you are [***]. Why did you have to bad mouth Macintosh. Steve Jobs is "a visionary, but he's on the wrong platform." Wrong platform? You should get that ***** from your mouth. Well I wish you well, I won't be shopping at buy.com anymore!
Thanks
Here is what I sent to Scott at buy.com LOL
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Dear Scott Blum
You are funny and your buy music sucks. Let me guess, you are [***]. Why did you have to bad mouth Macintosh. Steve Jobs is "a visionary, but he's on the wrong platform." Wrong platform? You should get that ***** from your mouth. Well I wish you well, I won't be shopping at buy.com anymore!
Thanks
Re: Wrong platform? A Msg for Blum
That's very clever. I'm sure your friends on the playground will get a kick out of it.
Originally posted by DaveCalifornia
Here is what I sent to Scott at buy.com LOL
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Dear Scott Blum
You are funny and your buy music sucks. Let me guess, you are [***]. Why did you have to bad mouth Macintosh. Steve Jobs is "a visionary, but he's on the wrong platform." Wrong platform? You should get that ***** from your mouth. Well I wish you well, I won't be shopping at buy.com anymore!
Thanks
That's very clever. I'm sure your friends on the playground will get a kick out of it.
I may be in danger of excessive posting now but...
On buymusic.com look at the second commercial. The Zen is quite large, I thought it was iPod size. Guess I was mistaken, it looks more like a laptop hard drive sized thing.
On buymusic.com look at the second commercial. The Zen is quite large, I thought it was iPod size. Guess I was mistaken, it looks more like a laptop hard drive sized thing.
That's a neat trick. Read their licensing info, ask questions, get a response that contains, verbatim, the licensing info you were asking about.
What good is this?
WTF: This has to be the dumb end of the stick this one . I cant use i Tunes service not in the usa dont know if i can use the buy music site either but i know one thing i wont be using buy .com because to much as far as what i can and cant do with my music choice. i am planing on getting my first ever i pod in a couple of weeks time and its going to store everyting of my music life. i want to be able to put music on it not some digital Music rights law crap on it I DONT WANT TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL JUST SO I CAN LISTEN TO MUSIC.. A month is not a long time in the computing world what a dildo... I TUNES COMES ACROSS as been more pro this buy thing is well cant describe it i need special licnces i can get a car licence quicker ....
... DMR Is a good idea if you want people to keep using Kazza... be my guest...
... DMR Is a good idea if you want people to keep using Kazza... be my guest...
None what-so-ever. It just tells me that they don't have an answer to the question. I wonder how many e-mails they have gotten so far from Mac users asking questions, flaming, and picking there sorry service to pieces.
From the USA Today article:
So in one breath, he insults Apple for not supporting the majority (of computer users), then ignores the majority (of mp3 player users)?
So in one breath, he insults Apple for not supporting the majority (of computer users), then ignores the majority (of mp3 player users)?
Whenever someone says that apple should sue, I always think that it is wishful thinking, and that they legally would not win a law suit. But, did everyone see those commercials?
The 1st one featured the SAME guitar and the last were almost the same commercials as the iTMS! I am about to barf. Apple legal do something!
The 1st one featured the SAME guitar and the last were almost the same commercials as the iTMS! I am about to barf. Apple legal do something!
I assumed that the big 5 provided apple will the sources. It's possible that this doesn't mean CD, but I can't see Apple wanting to re-enter the CDDB. I assumed for this reason for most songs Apple is using the CD, most likely with some heavily automated system which randomly selects 30 seconds, compresses that, compresses the song into AAC, then adds the DRM with lord knows what sottware.
Anyone remember hearing anything more concrete?
Anyone remember hearing anything more concrete?
Unfortunately, Apple legal probably can't do anything about this because it probably falls under fair use as it's an obvious parody of their own advertising campaign. If it's a true parody, it will be ruled as not infringing on any copyright. Although, if it's a slanderous parody, as these ads obviously are, I am not sure how that works... it might still be safe under the Parody law.
Any lawyers around who can support, refute this?
Alia
not every single is $0.79
Not every song in their store is $0.79.
from buymusic.com:
So not EVERY song is the same price.
Not every song in their store is $0.79.
from buymusic.com:
So not EVERY song is the same price.
Transfer method?
One other thing I kinda wanna know about this new service is... what is Buy using to guarantee that I get fast downloads? Apple uses Akamai... does Buy.com, as well?
One other thing I kinda wanna know about this new service is... what is Buy using to guarantee that I get fast downloads? Apple uses Akamai... does Buy.com, as well?
Re: Let's do it
I would if I only could.
(see my location)
Originally posted by a_kim
I'm buying an album today. Who's with me?
I would if I only could.
(see my location)
Why are they going to call it iMusic? Everyone knows that the "i" is used by Apple so that's just one more thing that there service is copying Apple on. If I didn't know that it was already made by Buy.com then I would have thought it was something by Apple if I would have just stumbled across it someday.
So far they have copied Apple's service on:
Commericals
"i" Name
Hmm...Wonder what else
So far they have copied Apple's service on:
Commericals
"i" Name
Hmm...Wonder what else
I believe that this site will barely make it, or go down in flames, and here's why.
1.) With the DRM, you don't know what you can do with one song to the next, since each song can have different restrictions.
2.) Their pricing model is like a fat man in a little coat... They advertise 79¢ per song, but I have yet to see one of those songs. They are probably for independent artists, which much fewer people will buy from. After browsing around, the iTunes Music Store is either the same price, or cheaper than buymusic. There are also albums that have certain tracks unavailable, that are available on the iTunes Music Store. I haven't run across any songs higher priced that 99¢, but I'm sure they're out there...
3.) The only people who are going to use this are grandmas and grandpas, or families that have no clue about computers at all. Hardcore, or even normal computer users will still use p2p networks for their music because it's free, and there's no restrictions. Buymusic is "The Music Store for the Dumb."
4.) You can only listen to music on your computer, or on about 5 different portable audio players. Apple should make a commercial to counter that, showing a guy listening to music on his PC that he bought with buymusic.com, wearing that "get loaded" t-shirt, and his mom comes in to vacuum the carpet, his siblings start to watch TV, and his friends come over, and he can't listen to his music. Then, they should show a kid using a Mac, with an iPod, and the iTunes Music Store, and when his mom comes into the room to vacuum, he takes his iPod with him, and when he gets distracted there, he moves somewhere else, and when his friends come, they go out for a night on the town in their VW beatle, with their music playing from the iPod. It would show how much better the iTunes Music Store is. Apple could also make another commercial where a kid with a CD player is burning a CD, and then the CD gets damaged, and he burns another, and that one gets buried by the dog, and he burns another, and that one gets stolen, and oops, he can't burn any more CD's... Which brings me to my next point:
5.) What if you move to another computer? What if a virus erases your HD? What if a CD fails to burn properly? There are too many risks that come with using a PC to make buying music with such a strict DRM enjoyable. You'd spend all your time protecting your music library, and less time enjoying it.
6.) You can't put music into movies you make. Or at least I doubt you can. With such a strict DRM, I doubt you can do much than listen to your music. You can't put it into a home video or anything like that, where with the iTunes Music Store, you can put it into movies, and burn them onto DVD's.
7.) Their website sucks. There is no customization. Browsing music is a horrible experience, since it just shows things by song, using up at least 30 pixels a row... the iTunes Music Store uses a standard line in a list to display information about a song. It also makes it easy to find albums too, and it doesn't restrict it to 20 results per page. Using their website is a pain, and I'd be surprised if any of their 'dumb' customers who would actually buy music from them could find the music they want.
8.) Windows Media Player. Enough said. I don't feel I need to rag on why using a codec owned by m$ is a bad idea...
I've decided to buy an album from the iTunes Music Store today, and maybe more later on when I have the money. The album, "Anthem", by Less Than Jake, is nowhere to be found on the BuyMusic site...
I also have another question about their store... On their main logo:
Isn't the guy with the sun glasses John Lennon? Which brings me to my next question, if that is John Lennon, where are the beatles?
Hopefully this will do Apple some good. When this store fails, hopefully the big 5 will realize that an Apple-style, looser DRM is required to actually sell music online. People may still pirate, but it will be much easier to obtain music legally, and having a few people buying music is better than none.
EDIT: Never mind, the guy in the picture is ozzy. My bad...
1.) With the DRM, you don't know what you can do with one song to the next, since each song can have different restrictions.
2.) Their pricing model is like a fat man in a little coat... They advertise 79¢ per song, but I have yet to see one of those songs. They are probably for independent artists, which much fewer people will buy from. After browsing around, the iTunes Music Store is either the same price, or cheaper than buymusic. There are also albums that have certain tracks unavailable, that are available on the iTunes Music Store. I haven't run across any songs higher priced that 99¢, but I'm sure they're out there...
3.) The only people who are going to use this are grandmas and grandpas, or families that have no clue about computers at all. Hardcore, or even normal computer users will still use p2p networks for their music because it's free, and there's no restrictions. Buymusic is "The Music Store for the Dumb."
4.) You can only listen to music on your computer, or on about 5 different portable audio players. Apple should make a commercial to counter that, showing a guy listening to music on his PC that he bought with buymusic.com, wearing that "get loaded" t-shirt, and his mom comes in to vacuum the carpet, his siblings start to watch TV, and his friends come over, and he can't listen to his music. Then, they should show a kid using a Mac, with an iPod, and the iTunes Music Store, and when his mom comes into the room to vacuum, he takes his iPod with him, and when he gets distracted there, he moves somewhere else, and when his friends come, they go out for a night on the town in their VW beatle, with their music playing from the iPod. It would show how much better the iTunes Music Store is. Apple could also make another commercial where a kid with a CD player is burning a CD, and then the CD gets damaged, and he burns another, and that one gets buried by the dog, and he burns another, and that one gets stolen, and oops, he can't burn any more CD's... Which brings me to my next point:
5.) What if you move to another computer? What if a virus erases your HD? What if a CD fails to burn properly? There are too many risks that come with using a PC to make buying music with such a strict DRM enjoyable. You'd spend all your time protecting your music library, and less time enjoying it.
6.) You can't put music into movies you make. Or at least I doubt you can. With such a strict DRM, I doubt you can do much than listen to your music. You can't put it into a home video or anything like that, where with the iTunes Music Store, you can put it into movies, and burn them onto DVD's.
7.) Their website sucks. There is no customization. Browsing music is a horrible experience, since it just shows things by song, using up at least 30 pixels a row... the iTunes Music Store uses a standard line in a list to display information about a song. It also makes it easy to find albums too, and it doesn't restrict it to 20 results per page. Using their website is a pain, and I'd be surprised if any of their 'dumb' customers who would actually buy music from them could find the music they want.
8.) Windows Media Player. Enough said. I don't feel I need to rag on why using a codec owned by m$ is a bad idea...
I've decided to buy an album from the iTunes Music Store today, and maybe more later on when I have the money. The album, "Anthem", by Less Than Jake, is nowhere to be found on the BuyMusic site...
I also have another question about their store... On their main logo:
Isn't the guy with the sun glasses John Lennon? Which brings me to my next question, if that is John Lennon, where are the beatles?
Hopefully this will do Apple some good. When this store fails, hopefully the big 5 will realize that an Apple-style, looser DRM is required to actually sell music online. People may still pirate, but it will be much easier to obtain music legally, and having a few people buying music is better than none.
EDIT: Never mind, the guy in the picture is ozzy. My bad...
Let's all buy something that's only available via ITMS
Maybe the new Ben Folds EP ? It is only available via ITMS, from him on tour, and on vinyl from certain smaller record stores.
Imagine if we pushed something that isn't even available in other billboard-tracked markets to the top of the online sales charts!
Maybe the new Ben Folds EP ? It is only available via ITMS, from him on tour, and on vinyl from certain smaller record stores.
Imagine if we pushed something that isn't even available in other billboard-tracked markets to the top of the online sales charts!