Steve Jobs must be on hot seat to rush iphone to Verizon with this Droid growth

[ajarnfalang]

The small portion of CDMA subscribers in India have the cash to pay $700 bucks for a phone.

Can they swap a SIM as easily as they could with a GSM phone?

Because this is common practice out here.

 

[Geckotek]

The small portion of CDMA subscribers in India have the cash to pay $700 bucks for a phone.

Can they swap a SIM as easily as they could with a GSM phone?

Because this is common practice out here.

Apparently it doesn't matter to the 18 Million subscribers a month signing up with CDMA carriers in India. Of course, they could be using RUIM in India.

Oh, and if the GSM carriers can sell a $700 phone, I'm sure the CDMA carriers can as well.

This subject has been beaten to death. It's general consensus that Apple will make money no problem. There are plenty of business publications that have analyzed the situation.

 

[ajarnfalang]

You don't understand how people use their phones out here.

Oh, and if the GSM carriers can sell a $700 phone, I'm sure the CDMA carriers can as well.

Obviously, you don't understand how CDMA technology works.

Read some in Google and come back.

 

[Geckotek]

You don't understand how people use their phones out here.

Here = Thailand....you are correct.

And yes, I also have GSM phones as well so I do understand the switching of SIM cards. It doesn't mean that the CDMA market doesn't exist and that people don't use it.

 

[WilliamG]

Yeah Jobs is under alot of pressure not knowing what to do with his billions

Do you actually think money is the reason that Jobs is doing this now? Dear lord...

 

[Carlanga]

Droid grows from 3% to 44 % within a year in the US. Jobs must be under alot of pressure to offer iphone on Verizon. it is like one of his hand got tied up when iphone is tied down to only ATT. millions of users from verizon, sprint, tmobile are getting Droid without any competition from iphone. the best phone needs to be on the best network to dominate. ATT is not the best network. 5-year contact with ATT might have a short-term financial benefit but will be a really bad long-term strategy for apple.

wow, I felt like I just read a post from someone from actual fox news, dumb and incorrect...
1) They are talking about the Android platform and calling it Droid is confusing since there is an android phone called Droid specifically and you are speaking of comparing it to the iPhone and not iOS...
2) The graphs talks about sales distribution by operating system only
3) The only thing you can infer is that android is growing way faster than last year due to having way more many models than last year, while the iPhone only sells two models each year.
4) Where is the pressure? still can't fulfill demand for ONE phone
5) Best network? what is the best?
6) Where do you get this 5 year contact (which I assume you meant contract)? why bad, it still making them money, if anything they would expand to other carriers and AT&T would still be selling the iPhone, so why a bad strategy?

 

[Geckotek]

Obviously, you don't understand how CDMA technology works.

Read some in Google and come back.

Pwahahahaha, I used to sell it and then became a national trainer in the wireless industry. Try again.

 

[TonyC28]

Do you mean Android growth? If so, I still say its tricky to compare a phone model to an OS that can go on multiple different phones and carriers.

 

[ajarnfalang]

Hey Texas guy,

Which phone do you have?

 

[foxnews1]

wow, I felt like I just read a post from someone from actual fox news, dumb and incorrect...
1) They are talking about the Android platform and calling it Droid is confusing since there is an android phone called Droid specifically and you are speaking of comparing it to the iPhone and not iOS...
2) The graphs talks about continuous growth only
3) The only thing you can infer is that android is growing way faster than last year due to having way more many models than last year, while the iPhone only sells two models each year.
4) Where is the pressure? still can't fulfill demand for ONE phone
5) Best network? what is the best?
6) Where do you get this 5 year contact (which I assume you meant contract)? why bad, it still making them money, if anything they would expand to other carriers and AT&T would still be selling the iPhone, so why a bad strategy?

(1) Mod should ban this guy for not following forum rule. go read forum rule before correcting people like that. Android or Droid , people know what it means. I know the difference but I like Droid since it is cool and short. why people say ip4? while it really is iphone 4?

(3) does it matter? to apple and google, it is OS war regardless of how many models.

4) call Steve jobs and ask him if he has no worry over this growth rate.

5) hope you are kidding with this question. without iphone, verizon is still number one and held up very well. imagine that iphone and verizon are together.

6) my god, do you understand business 101? making money now is short term and short sight. the momentum that Droid/Android has will be hard to stop when it is built up. Over 90 millions customers from Verizon and over 50 millions from Sprint should give Android/Droid a healthy growth with no competition. Apple should learn its lesson from the 80 and 90s when Mac vs PC. Apple was almost bankrupt.

 

[Mike2128]

ajarnfalang, you suck at arguing. Do you even know what the debate is about?

 

[ajarnfalang]

ajarnfalang, you suck at arguing. Do you even know what the debate is about?

What debate are you referring to?

The Texan and Me? or the thread?

I guess you want me to respond to the OP. Forum etiquette and all that.

Jobs has nothing to worry about.

Cheap will sell more. I can buy an android phone for a couple of hundred bucks instead of the $700 I paid for my iPhone 4. A Verizon iPhone is not going to help much.

It will attract people fed up with AT&T, but to make a dent on cheap Androids- Motorolas, HTC's, Samsungs? Come on. Get serious. You're talking about a company that sells 1 phone in 1 color. What do you expect?

vs all the other companies that decide to install Android OS on their phones. So this is not really about Apple vs Android, you are saying that Apple should outsell every single phone manufacturer out there that decides to install Android on their phones.

Is the OP for real or what?

Apple vs Motorola, Apple, Sony, Samsung, HTC, ... Come on...

Like this here

http://www.androphones.com/high-scores-android-phone-375.html

They are saying "Android leads the market". They are lumping a bunch of Phone manucfacturers into the "Android" umbrella. This is just not fair.

Where would Apple be if instead of OHA, they listed the manufacturers individually. This is a lot more fair.

That's like saying Apple is afraid of Nokia. Nokia has a thousand types of phones they sell all over the world.

I think Apple is doing great. I think better than they expected. They have nothing to fear.

 

[foxnews1]

many people here are immature and so defensive against anything but iphone.

By no mean this post means iphone is not good. so don't be so defensive. This post is about OS war and there is a strong competition, which is good for iphone customers and others. without Android, iOS is slow to improve.

 

[Carlanga]

(1) Mod should ban this guy for not following forum rule. go read forum rule before correcting people like that. Android or Droid , people know what it means. I know the difference but I like Droid since it is cool and short. why people say ip4? while it really is iphone 4?
(3) does it matter? to apple and google, it is OS war regardless of how many models.
4) call Steve jobs and ask him if he has no worry over this growth rate.
5) hope you are kidding with this question.
6) my god, do you understand business 101? making money is short term and short sight. the momentum that Droid/Android has will be hard to stop when it is built up. Over 90 Millions from Verizon and over 50 Millions from Sprint should give Android/Droid a free pass with no competition. Apple should learn its lesson from the 80 and 90s when Mac vs PC. Apple was almost bankrupt.

1)What? what forum rule have I broken? where is the rule for android in the macrumors guide? I mention this because IF you want to compare something it shouldn't be oranges to apples. It has to be Android to iOS and Droid to iPhone, you can't say Droid (as short for Android) to iPhone because one is an operating system and the other is hardware. It seems you fail to understand the difference.
3)If it's an OS war you should then add the sales of iPods and iPads sold since they run the same iOS like the iPhone.
4)why? it seems you already called him and know the 'right' answer
5)best is based on preference and city for each individual, AT&T is not small you know, there is a lot people that use it.
6)They can't produce the iPhone fast enough as of right now so why worry since the supply can't meet the demand (something I guess they never taught you in business 101), there is still a lot of people that want the iPhone and the market is being like you said saturated w/ android phones then the supply will overflow the demand and at the end it might fail if you analyze it as a business. Sure, we all understand that there is a carrier market that the iPhone has not tapped yet, but there is no rush since the product can't be made fast enough to even keep w/ the current demand, just because you might sell less items does not mean you will make less money since an increase in production might mean an increase in manufacturing costs that might be too much for a one year phone cycle.

 

[foxnews1]

1)What? what forum rule have I broken? where is the rule for android in the macrumors guide? I mention this because IF you want to compare something it shouldn't be oranges to apples. It has to be Android to iOS and Droid to iPhone, you can't say Droid (as short for Android) to iPhone because one is an operating system and the other is hardware. It seems you fail to understand the difference.
3)If it's an OS war you should then add the sales of iPods and iPads sold since they run the same iOS like the iPhone.
4)why? it seems you already called him and know the 'right' answer
5)best is based on preference and city for each individual
6)They can't produce the iPhone fast enough as of right now so why worry since the supply can't meet the demand (something I guess they never though you in business 101), there is still a lot of people that want the iPhone and the market is being like you said saturated w/ android phones then the supply will overflow the demand and at the end it might fail if you analyze it as a business. Sure, we all understand is market that the iPhone has not tapped yet, but there is no rush since the product can't be made fast enough to even keep w/ the current demand, just because you might sell less items does not mean you will make less money since an increase in production might mean an increase in manufacturing costs that might be too much for a one year phone cycle.

sigh. I am done explaining. read my post and at least try to understand it before trying to argue more.

 

[TonyC28]

Steve must be reading this thread. From his Twitter a few minutes ago: "We have to let go of the notion that for Apple to win, Google has to lose"

 

[ajarnfalang]

(3) does it matter? to apple and google, it is OS war regardless of how many models.

But, Apple is the only one releasing iOS in only 1 phone they make.

Is it really fair to compare it against Google who makes an OS and gives it to everyone?

You would compare it if Google still sold the Nexus One and that was the only phone that had Android. Now that is a fair fight.

Steve must be reading this thread. From his Twitter a few minutes ago: "We have to let go of the notion that for Apple to win, Google has to lose"

All Apple has to do is LISTEN to the customers and release the updates ASAP and stay competitive.

and stop being such a control freak with the device.

I own a $700 dollar phone and I can't change the ring tone for emails. I mean, seriously.

 

[TonyC28]

All Apple has to do is LISTEN to the customers and release the updates ASAP and stay competitive.

and stop being such a control freak with the device.

I own a $700 dollar phone and I can't change the ring tone for emails. I mean, seriously.

I'm with you a million percent. People want customization. However, as the numbers show in Apple's quarterly reports, we must not want them enough to jump ship. Basically Apple has made a phone that is so good in a lot of other ways that the customization we want drops down on the list of priorities.

 

[foxnews1]

But, Apple is the only one releasing iOS in only 1 phone they make.

Is it really fair to compare it against Google who makes an OS and gives it to everyone?

You would compare it if Google still sold the Nexus One and that was the only phone that had Android. Now that is a fair fight.

sigh:

can someone help me explain to this guy?

 

[ajarnfalang]

I'm with you a million percent. People want customization. However, as the numbers show in Apple's quarterly reports, we must not want them enough to jump ship. Basically Apple has made a phone that is so good in a lot of other ways that the customization we want drops down on the list of priorities.

Actually, I kind of like that new Mail tone.

Makes me feel I'm in an airplane when they turn on the seat belt sign

sigh:

can someone help me explain to this guy?

Nah. That's OK.

OH ... and what kind of phone do YOU have?

 

[TonyC28]

sigh:

can someone help me explain to this guy?

I agree with that guy. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but comparing an OS that is sold on only one mobile phone to an OS that is sold on multiple phones is at the very least tricky. Would I be opening up another can of worms if I said it was like comparing Windows PCs sold to Macs sold??

Actually, I kind of like that new Mail tone.

Makes me feel I'm in an airplane when they turn on the seat belt sign

Shame on me for not keeping up with 4.2 info, but are you saying there are new mail tones?

 

[Applejuiced]

Do you actually think money is the reason that Jobs is doing this now? Dear lord...

Thats not what I meant.
I was replying to the OP saying that Jobs/Apple is under alot of pressure trying to get the iphone to verizon.
I think its the other way around, VZ has been sweating Apple and chasing the CDMA iphone dream. Im sure Apple would be fine without selling a CDMA iphone on Verizon thats all.

 

[ajarnfalang]

Would I be opening up another can of worms if I said it was like comparing Windows PCs sold to Macs sold??

Nah. Actually it is very easy to open a can of anything on here

I think that's a good comparison. Google and MS and really software companies. Apple's approach is different. We can't really compare Apple with anyone else.

Let's compare the iPhone with the amount of Samsung's sold with BADA OS. Let's not compare how many phones sold with Windows Phone 7 installed. This is not the same thing.

Bottom line is, Apple is doing fantastic for what it does. It's incredible if you think about it that the iPhone can even be in the same list with these other manufacturers.

It's insane if you think about it. More than 14 million phones sold in like 4 months? Ridiculous for a company that makes 1 phone in Black.

 

[daneoni]

Why? didn't he just sell 14+ million iPhones and counting...with billions in revenue?

Hot seat? you must be having a laugh.

 

[ajarnfalang]

Shame on me for not keeping up with 4.2 info, but are you saying there are new mail tones?

No. Actually they have new TEXT tones on 4.2, but I haven't seen anything regarding the tone for new mail. I think it's just the on or off switch.

Coming from Blackberry I thought that was funny because in the BB you can assign each email account it's own ring tone, you can browse for that ring tone if you don't like the ones that come with the phone AND you can tell it to alert one way when it is in your pocket (inside the pouch) and another way when you are using it. And you can do this with each email account.

When I set it up in the iPhone it was either do you want it ON or OFF. The End.

Why? didn't he just sell 14+ million iPhones and counting...with billions in revenue?

Hot seat? you must be having a laugh.

Yes. That's what I meant. I meant it in a good way.

I meant that was amazing for a company that makes just 1 phone in 1 color.

Nobody can come close. I don't care how many Android handsets are being sold out there. The iPhone still is #1.

and having said that about the iPhone email alerts, I haven't missed 1 email yet. I either hear it or feel it vibrating.

So, I am not really missing the customization from the BB.