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Why are fanboys so blind, uninformed, or have a selective memory?

Android is an operating system. A young one. Chrome is an operating system, a young one. So your statement is wrong. Operating systems are among the many software products that google makes.



Apparently, most people purchasing smartphones disagree with you.... or have you forgotten that iOS now trails Android in activations and growth? Either way, your comment is a subjective opinion.


Lol, um no. This forum, like all forums, is filled with people who have complaints and problems with the iPhone. Another factually incorrect statement.


The merits of the iOS interface vs Android's interface are in the eye of the beholder. For example, there are a lot of people on this forum who wish iOS would adopt Android's notification system, and even more who wish Apple would add widgets. Your opinion is just that, your own opinion.

The discussion at hand is which company makes better software. I listed several google products which are the best pieces of software in the world at what they do. Apple doesn't even have one piece of software which is the best in the world at what it does.

• Android has better/more features than iOS (and always will as long as Uncle Steve is running Apple)
• MacOS has been eclipsed by Linux and even Windows 7
• Garage Band (which I mentioned earlier) cannot hold a candle to Pro-tools or even Adobe's music software.

There is no contest. Google is WAY better at software than Apple, who even struggle with making iOS multi-task appropriately. The best apps for iOS/MacOS are made by companies other than Apple. That is how it always has been. Even the best app on iPhone is made by google (google maps).

Sorry man, face facts.

Google makes plenty of good apps, but none are necessarily the messiah as you like to put it. Mapquest was out long before Google Maps as were numerous email clients. Sure Google took those concepts and perfected them (very much like what Apple does) but you can't go around claiming that Google was some kind of visionary who invented email or online maps. Apple on the other hand has also taken a lot of concepts from other companies and perfected them (the original GUI from Xerox or the development of Mac OSX from Unix). So in that vein, they are both similar companies, they take concepts and perfect them.

You're still not acknowledging that Android is only where it is today because of competition from the iPhone. And yes, Android is very much beta software, have you tried using the cut and paste function in Android? It is the most broken POS I've every seen. You can't even cut and paste within the Gmail app! And these were the same fanboys who were lambasting Apple for their lack of cut and paste even though the current iteration of cut and paste in iOS is infinitely better than the garbage that is being peddled in Android. Text selection is another sore point of Android which iOS has them beat by a mile. There is no way of accurately placing the blinking cursor in a text box without tapping and praying unlike iOS where a magnifying glass pops up enabling you to select the exact character within the text box. Google's complete lack of supervision of the marketplace has led to some really crappy looking apps. Even apps released simultaneously on iPhone and Android look much crappier on Android. How about the whole back/home button mess. Half the time, the back button takes you out to the home screen from the app while the other half of the time it performs the back function in the app, and there is no way of knowing which it is going to do. The portrait touch keyboard is far too thin. I can go on and on. Android is not the messiah as some of you fanboys like to make it seem. It's going to be like the Windows of smartphones, a mediocre product for the masses.
 
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You're joking, right? Google has created some amazing software, but so far as I can tell Google's vision now is to replicate Apple's and Microsoft's existing software on the cloud, where Google can mercilessly invade our privacy. That's not innovation. It's derivation.

Derivation is innovation. Google's vision isn't central the argument at hand: which company makes better software. Google does.

Mapquest was out long before Google Maps as were numerous email clients. Sure Google took those concepts and perfected them (very much like what Apple does) but you can't go around claiming that Google was some kind of visionary who invented email or online maps
Google is definitely visionary. I'm not sure how anyone could say otherwise given their success.
Apple on the other hand has also taken a lot of concepts from other companies and perfected them (the original GUI from Xerox or the development of Mac OSX from Unix). So in that vein, they are both similar companies, they take concepts and perfect them.
Pretty much all software companies build on the work of previous generations, whether it they borrow/steal concepts, algorithms, functions, or libraries... so that would make all software companies 'similar' to apple in the way you describe. The difference being that some of these companies are much better at it than others (which is my entire point).

Mac OS, Webkit, Garageband, iOS, Logic, Final Cut, Pages, Keynote...

I could go on, but it's pointless. You were the one to claim that since OS X wasn't built from the ground up by Apple, that it was a point of inferiority to Google. I wasn't changing the argument at all, you did that.

I mentioned half of those. None of the pieces of software you mentioned are the premier pieces of software in their field/market. You could make the argument for MacOS, but opinions would be split on whether it is altogether any better than Windows 7. Webkit hasn't been Apple's baby for years.... that would be like Sun laying claim to the dozens of flavors of LINUX. Way too many hands in that pot have made it what it is today.

Garage Band/Logic? Pro-Tools beats it. Pages? Keynote? MS Office Suite dominates the productivity desktop, and then Quark, or Adobe's offerings dominate the creative side.

Nothing Apple makes is the best at what it does.
 
Derivation is innovation. Google's vision isn't central the argument at hand: which company makes better software. Google does.


Google is definitely visionary. I'm not sure how anyone could say otherwise given their success.

Pretty much all software companies build on the work of previous generations, whether it they borrow/steal concepts, algorithms, functions, or libraries... so that would make all software companies 'similar' to apple in the way you describe. The difference being that some of these companies are much better at it than others (which is my entire point).

Nobody is arguing that Google doesn't make good software but just because Google is able to make a good email client or maps client does not somehow make it a shoe in for making a good smartphone OS. Two completely different ball games. Just because Adobe makes excellent photo editing software does not mean they would make a good OS if they were tasked to do so.

I mentioned half of those. None of the pieces of software you mentioned are the premier pieces of software in their field/market. You could make the argument for MacOS, but opinions would be split on whether it is altogether any better than Windows 7. Webkit hasn't been Apple's baby for years.... that would be like Sun laying claim to the dozens of flavors of LINUX. Way too many hands in that pot have made it what it is today.

Comparing Windows 7 to OSX. OSX has been out since 2001 while Windows 7 was released last year. So basically you're saying that a 1 year old OS is finally better than a 9 year old OS. Kind of sad. It's like Ferrari announcing that their 2010 model is better than Lamborghini's 2001 model. And I don't even think that Win 7 is better than OSX, but that's my opinion.

Nothing Apple makes is the best at what it does.

Apple still has the most well built smartphone OS. Not necessarily the one with the most features or laundry list of specs, but it is by far the best engineered OS. Sorry to cut it to you, but Android owes all of its success in the US to the fact that Verizon didn't carry the iPhone. If Verizon did carry the iPhone from day 1, we would've never heard about Android.
 
Comparing Windows 7 to OSX. OSX has been out since 2001 while Windows 7 was released last year. So basically you're saying that a 1 year old OS is finally better than a 9 year old OS. Kind of sad. It's like Ferrari announcing that their 2010 model is better than Lamborghini's 2001 model. And I don't even think that Win 7 is better than OSX, but that's my opinion.

Ok, that's like saying Windows 7 came out of thin air and that OSX hasn't been updated in 9 years. Both wrong.
 
Garage Band/Logic? Pro-Tools beats it. Pages? Keynote? MS Office Suite dominates the productivity desktop, and then Quark, or Adobe's offerings dominate the creative side.

Nothing Apple makes is the best at what it does.

...and Bing maps is better than Google maps, Samsung is better than LG, Pepsi is better than Coke. Who decides these things anyway? :rolleyes:
 
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There is no way you can compare Google to Apple. The only one that you can compare to Apple for OS especially on computers is Microsoft. But guess what tradionaly people who use Apple OS use it for a specific task same as Microsoft OS is used primarily for specific tasks. I thought that was figured out years ago. Google has become popular for one reason and one reason only "Search Engine”, that guess what works great on Apples and PCs. Oh and on all smart phones.

Now I am a PC man myself and a blackberry user. But I picked this thread up browsing looking at IPad questions. You know why I am looking at the IPad simple. Apple has hands down the best touch screen user interface on the market. Also it has all the features that I want. It is a great product for reading eBooks. Apple was a revolutionary company back in the day they are the reason that the personal PC took off as well as it did. I think that alone deserves your respect. Google is still a very young company compared to Apple.

That said earlier in the thread people keep saying that Steve Jobs is not doing this for money... Are you serious or are you just trying to convince yourself of that? Of course he is doing this for money. One reason Apple is so successful is that they run their operations 100% debt free. Meaning they can weather a down turn in the economy and not have it affect their vision of where they are going.

Oh and does it really make a difference if your phone cost $700.00 seriously it’s like saying my dad is tougher than yours...

As for revolutionary Apple’s Macintosh is the one who introduced the mouse to the general public. Might want to think about that...
 
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You can give anything away for free. Android had bunch of free promos. However, some of those phones can come with 2+ year old firmware with no ability to update.

Rush.......did you say RUSH?

The iPhone has been rushing to Verizon since 2007.

Exactly. Apple seems especially rushed to get iPhones to a CDMA network that don't allow both voice and data use at the same time.
 
Exactly. Apple seems especially rushed to get iPhones to a CDMA network that don't allow both voice and data use at the same time.

Rush? They've had a CDMA testing room in their offices for years. I don't call that rushing.

Also, CDMA can do simultaneous voice + data with SVDO or VoRA.
 
Apple was created to suck money out of you. (seriously, can you name as many Apple products that are given away for free compared to Google? FYI Google gave you Maps, Navigation, Google Earth, Google Docs, Gmail, etc)

Google was created to increase productivity, and give you choices, and be a partner in the tech industry. Apple kinda goes it alone.

Don't get me wrong, Apple is a great innovative company, but they're not team players.

The day, God forbid, something terrible happens to Jobs, the day the company goes kaputz. Mark my words.

LOL can you imagine Apple creating something Gmail style? They'd put all kinds of restrictions, and pay business models in there.

Thank you Google for open sourcing software. You Da Best!
 
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Apple was created to suck money out of you. (seriously, can you name as many Apple products that are given away for free compared to Google? FYI Google gave you Maps, Navigation, Google Earth, Google Docs, Gmail, etc)

Google was created to increase productivity, and give you choices, and be a partner in the tech industry. Apple kinda goes it alone.

Don't get me wrong, Apple is a great innovative company, but they're not team players.

The day, God forbid, something terrible happens to Jobs, the day the company goes kaputz. Mark my words.

LOL can you imagine Apple creating something Gmail style? They'd put all kinds of restrictions, and pay business models in there.

Thank you Google for open sourcing software. You Da Best!

Please. You're kidding right? When did Google become a non profit organization? Apple is a business. Google is a business. They both make massive amounts of money, and they both provide services and products for that money. There's nothing wrong with that.

Sure, Google is a team player, especially when it comes to Yahoo and Microsoft Bing, right?

Just because you don't pay Google directly for their services, don't make the mistake of thinking that you don't pay anything at all. You do, just in a different way.
 
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Apple was created to suck money out of you. (seriously, can you name as many Apple products that are given away for free compared to Google? FYI Google gave you Maps, Navigation, Google Earth, Google Docs, Gmail, etc)

Google was created to increase productivity, and give you choices, and be a partner in the tech industry. Apple kinda goes it alone.

Don't get me wrong, Apple is a great innovative company, but they're not team players.

The day, God forbid, something terrible happens to Jobs, the day the company goes kaputz. Mark my words.

LOL can you imagine Apple creating something Gmail style? They'd put all kinds of restrictions, and pay business models in there.

Thank you Google for open sourcing software. You Da Best!

Are you kidding me. Google is not free. They get tons of profit from advertising courtesy of you. Don't for one second think that Google is a charity or some type of benevolent institution. They have a very different strategy of making money which very much involves your time and your information, both of which are worth money. As for Google open sourcing software, last time I checked, only approved Android devices (usually those made by big name OEMs like Motorola and HTC) get access to the all important Android Marketplace and Google's suite of apps. Doesn't sound very "open" to me.

As for Apple not being a "team player", um hello, ever heard of the App store? How about Webkit that is used on every Android and Blackberry OS 6.0 smartphone currently on the market and was originally developed and open sourced by Apple. How about Mac OSX which is sourced from Unix. So Apple might not be willing to license out their software but by no means are they some isolationist company who doesn't like working with anyone.
 
Apple might not be willing to license out their software but by no means are they some isolationist company who doesn't like working with anyone.

If Apple like working with people then the iPhone would have been on Verizon years ago and Mac clones would be prevalent.

For better or for worse, Apple is a bunch of control freaks. They had to be in the past when Microsoft and IBM were trouncing them, but that culture hasn't changed with the popularity of the iPhone/iPod.
 
If Apple like working with people then the iPhone would have been on Verizon years ago and Mac clones would be prevalent.

For better or for worse, Apple is a bunch of control freaks. They had to be in the past when Microsoft and IBM were trouncing them, but that culture hasn't changed with the popularity of the iPhone/iPod.

If I remember correctly, Apple came to Verizon first with the iPhone. Verizon turned Apple down because, well, Verizon are a bunch of control freaks as well. A handset that doesn't have the carrier logo on it, and absolutely does not allow any kind of carrier modification to software whatsoever? No VZ AppZone? Preposterous. Apple serves the user, not the carrier (for the most part).

Yes, Apple is a control freak. They want to shape the entire user experience of their products from the ground up. There's nothing particularly wrong with that. Don't like it, don't buy Apple products. It really is that simple. As for me, I think Apple does a tremendous job in polishing the entire experience and getting the little details right, which is why I will continue to be an Apple user. The day I feel they lose that, they'll lose me, but I don't foresee that.
 
Are you kidding me. Google is not free. They get tons of profit from advertising courtesy of you.

Did you pay anything to sign up for Gmail? Google Maps? Google Earth? Google Docs? Last I checked, Google revolutionized web-based email by giving users a LOT of email storage space. Yeah, they make money off your search habits, and thats standard practice. In this day and age, privacy is dead. Heck, people voluntarily put their personal information up on the web [Facebook] with not a care in the world. (they will post their relationship status, their address sometimes, their friends, their likes and dislikes, but I digress).

So yes, their products are FREE. I can't list many native Apple applications that are completely free. I mean, you can download Android right now. Apple? Of course, if you want to develop, you have to pay $99 a year!

As for Google open sourcing software, last time I checked, only approved Android devices (usually those made by big name OEMs like Motorola and HTC) get access to the all important Android Marketplace and Google's suite of apps. Doesn't sound very "open" to me.

Are you being serious right now? You're obviously unaware of whats going on in the Android community. Archos, Huawei, no-name brands can get Android. The Google Marketplace is reserved for special licensing agreements with their partners, and in most cases, its the partners that do NOT want the Google Marketplace, not Google. Their are TONS of hardware makers that can use Android OS for FREE. So, you're wrong in that regard, Android is not only available to big name 'OEM's' such as you say. Heck, Google publicly stated that Froyo (2.2) is not recommended on Tablets, but hardware makers are going to sell them this holiday season regardless, because they can do what they want with it.

As for Apple not being a "team player", um hello, ever heard of the App store? How about Webkit that is used on every Android and Blackberry OS 6.0 smartphone currently on the market and was originally developed and open sourced by Apple.

Right, and Google Maps is used freely on Apple iPhones. But yes, Apple has played nice with developers and revolutionized the 'curated App store'

How about Mac OSX which is sourced from Unix.

Last I checked, Mac OSX wasn't free...

So Apple might not be willing to license out their software but by no means are they some isolationist company who doesn't like working with anyone.

Can I clarify a bit here? I don't mean they are not team players at all, I'm just saying that Google plays nice with hardware makers, and when we look at the Android effect some years from now, it has saved the mobile hardware industry, hands down.
 
Did you pay anything to sign up for Gmail? Google Maps? Google Earth? Google Docs? Last I checked, Google revolutionized web-based email by giving users a LOT of email storage space. Yeah, they make money off your search habits, and thats standard practice. In this day and age, privacy is dead. Heck, people voluntarily put their personal information up on the web [Facebook] with not a care in the world. (they will post their relationship status, their address sometimes, their friends, their likes and dislikes, but I digress).

So what your saying here is that violating privacy is great, as long as it's free? Just because you choose to post your life on the internet doesn't mean the rest of us want to.

So yes, their products are FREE. I can't list many native Apple applications that are completely free. I mean, you can download Android right now. Apple? Of course, if you want to develop, you have to pay $99 a year!

You want to download Apple? That might take a while... Also, please point out where all the Google hardware is? Your comparing a company that produces only software to a company that produces hardware and software to run on it. Apple will obviously not have the same focus as Google in terms of the software they produce.

Heck, Google publicly stated that Froyo (2.2) is not recommended on Tablets, but hardware makers are going to sell them this holiday season regardless, because they can do what they want with it.

Mmm, so they use software for something it wasn't designed for... I don't seee how anything could go wrong there :rolleyes:

Last I checked, Mac OSX wasn't free...

Yet, it is worth the price for some people. Just cos it costs money does not mean it is the devil. Is there a free alternative to OSX that is as easy to use? No? Didn't think so. Convenience is something people are willing to pay for.

On the whole, your argument is very one sided. You seem obsessed with free stuff, so tell me, where are all the free android phones being given out, because I'd love to get one. If you need to look around a bit first I'll wait, so do reply. And when you find out that Android phones cost money too I'll be waiting for your comeback.
 
So what your saying here is that violating privacy is great, as long as it's free? Just because you choose to post your life on the internet doesn't mean the rest of us want to.

How is it a violation of privacy if you agree to it? No one forces you to sign up for gmail.


On the whole, your argument is very one sided. You seem obsessed with free stuff, so tell me, where are all the free android phones being given out, because I'd love to get one. If you need to look around a bit first I'll wait, so do reply. And when you find out that Android phones cost money too I'll be waiting for your comeback.

You can get an ATT captivate for $0.01. That's as good as free.
 
Did you pay anything to sign up for Gmail? Google Maps? Google Earth? Google Docs? Last I checked, Google revolutionized web-based email by giving users a LOT of email storage space. Yeah, they make money off your search habits, and thats standard practice. In this day and age, privacy is dead. Heck, people voluntarily put their personal information up on the web [Facebook] with not a care in the world. (they will post their relationship status, their address sometimes, their friends, their likes and dislikes, but I digress).

I never complained about Google's business strategy, in fact I use Gmail and Google Maps all the time and I love using them. The only thing I was saying was that they are not some benevolent company out to serve your desires. They are out to make money, just like Apple and everyone else and they sure as hell make tons of money when you use their "free" services like Gmail and Google search.

Are you being serious right now? You're obviously unaware of whats going on in the Android community. Archos, Huawei, no-name brands can get Android. The Google Marketplace is reserved for special licensing agreements with their partners, and in most cases, its the partners that do NOT want the Google Marketplace, not Google. Their are TONS of hardware makers that can use Android OS for FREE. So, you're wrong in that regard, Android is not only available to big name 'OEM's' such as you say. Heck, Google publicly stated that Froyo (2.2) is not recommended on Tablets, but hardware makers are going to sell them this holiday season regardless, because they can do what they want with it.

Wow, way to completely miss the point. I know that Android is free to use but just as you said, you need to have a "special licensing agreement" with Google in order to use the Android Marketplace. That doesn't sound very "open" to me which is a bummer considering how all you Android fanboys love to clamor about how "open" Android is. Also as far as I'm concerned, open just means that carriers and OEMs have more control over the device and not the customer. If Android were truly "open" to the customer, Google would have made sure that every customer had access to stock Android on every phone, not just the Nexus One.

Right, and Google Maps is used freely on Apple iPhones. But yes, Apple has played nice with developers and revolutionized the 'curated App store'

And that's why the iOS App store has the highest growth rate with quality apps as opposed to some of the garbage that gets peddled on the Android marketplace. Just compare the Facebook app on the iPhone with the Facebook app on Android. I think all the developers who make tons of money from the iOS app store as compared to the developers who make nothing from the Android marketplace will agree with the sentiment that Apple is a more valuable partner than Google.

Last I checked, Mac OSX wasn't free...

Your point?
 
I never complained about Google's business strategy, in fact I use Gmail and Google Maps all the time and I love using them. The only thing I was saying was that they are not some benevolent company out to serve your desires. They are out to make money, just like Apple and everyone else and they sure as hell make tons of money when you use their "free" services like Gmail and Google search.

My point was that Apple does not give away their services for free, if any. Thats all I'm saying. Google provides free services (Gmail, etc). Yes Google makes money, but are YOU actually pulling out your wallet to pay for those services? No. You're beating around the bush. Google offers free services, Apple does not. But like the other poster mentioned, Apple is a hardware + software company so one cannot compare the two companies so directly.

Wow, way to completely miss the point. I know that Android is free to use but just as you said, you need to have a "special licensing agreement" with Google in order to use the Android Marketplace. That doesn't sound very "open" to me which is a bummer considering how all you Android fanboys love to clamor about how "open" Android is. Also as far as I'm concerned, open just means that carriers and OEMs have more control over the device and not the customer. If Android were truly "open" to the customer, Google would have made sure that every customer had access to stock Android on every phone, not just the Nexus One.

Special licensing agreement that the PARTNER themselves choose to want or NOT want. Google wants the Marketplace on all instances of Android OS, but its THE PARTNER themselves that do not want it. Again, thats the PARTNERS choice. So thats OPEN. I don't understand how you not get that. Let me break it to you in laymans' terms. Google isn't making their partners pay to use their Marketplace. Its the PARTNER's that want to protect their own in-house app stores a la VCast (for Verizon). Therefor Android IS open to however the PARTNER wants to make it out to be.

As I said before, Google is playing nice to the industry as a whole. Google doesn't write a mean letter to Adobe, it works with adobe so that flash can be played so that the end-user has a choice whether to run flash or not. I like Google's business model where all they want is just to have Android running on as many devices as possible. Whereas for Apple, their mission is for you to buy as much of their hardware + accessories as possible.

And that's why the iOS App store has the highest growth rate with quality apps as opposed to some of the garbage that gets peddled on the Android marketplace. Just compare the Facebook app on the iPhone with the Facebook app on Android. I think all the developers who make tons of money from the iOS app store as compared to the developers who make nothing from the Android marketplace will agree with the sentiment that Apple is a more valuable partner than Google.

Whoa there And iOS app store doesn't have its fair share of crapola applications? Fart apps? Really? Additionally, we shouldn't forget that Android is still relatively new to the mobile industry. I mean, the Droid line was released just one year ago... damn time flies.

I just made a simple claim, that Apple doesn't provide any services gratis, whereas Google does. Thats all.
 
I never complained about Google's business strategy, in fact I use Gmail and Google Maps all the time and I love using them. The only thing I was saying was that they are not some benevolent company out to serve your desires. They are out to make money, just like Apple and everyone else and they sure as hell make tons of money when you use their "free" services like Gmail and Google search.
The difference being that Apple gets most of their money straight from consumers rather than corporate entities.

Wow, way to completely miss the point. I know that Android is free to use but just as you said, you need to have a "special licensing agreement" with Google in order to use the Android Marketplace. That doesn't sound very "open" to me which is a bummer considering how all you Android fanboys love to clamor about how "open" Android is.
You are misunderstanding and misconstruing what "open" means.

1. Google has minimum requirements for devices (any device) to access the marketplace. Among them are requirements that the device have a compass/accelerometer/GPS and a few other features. There is NOTHING keeping for these devices from having their own markets (which some companies and providers are doing) and there is NOTHING keeping programmers with apps on the Google Market from also offering the same apps outside of the market. Android lets you side-load applications to your heart's content. Only AT&T has blocked this feature. As an iphone user, you should know all about AT&T restrictions.

2. You can tweak Android almost however you like. Google reserves the right to control how they license their core apps (Gmail, Maps, etc), but the source code for the Android operating system is freely available to anyone who wants to inspect it and tweak it as they see fit.... meaning you can replace the keyboard, launcher, dialer, etc..... This is the definition of open that most people are referring to.

In contrast, Apple has a policy of disallowing any applications that "replicate functionality". iOS source code is not available to anyone but Apple themselves and if you have a problem with how a particular aspect of the software is designed, then you are usually stuck having to use it as Apple intended.

In addition, iOS devices do not have USB ports or flash card readers built in. Anything put onto these devices must be imported through Apple's iTunes software. This is so that Apple can regulate (and get a $ cut of in most cases) any software or media that is put on the device. This way, they can make it easier for iOS users to purchase digital goods from Apple (or companies Apple has agreements with) and erect artificial barriers from obtaining digital goods from non-Apple sources. This is the definition of "closed" that most people use.


Also as far as I'm concerned, open just means that carriers and OEMs have more control over the device and not the customer. If Android were truly "open" to the customer, Google would have made sure that every customer had access to stock Android on every phone, not just the Nexus One.
Since google does not make any hardware, they have little control over the policies that carriers and phone manufacturers enforce on their devices. At the end of the day, carriers and service providers will nickel and dime customers as much as they can before they go so far as to hurt sales.

The Nexus One was Google's attempt to give consumers an option and to see whether a truly open and unlocked handset was commercially viable in the mobile phone market. The problem wasn't the phone itself... the problem was distribution. No one could put their hands on one and try it out before buying one at full price. I don't know about you... but spending ~$400 on a phone that I will have to keep with me everyday without being able to test it out first is a big leap of faith.

Is it so surprising that instead, most people opted to spend $200 on subsidized phones they could go down to the store to try out first?

And that's why the iOS App store has the highest growth rate with quality apps as opposed to some of the garbage that gets peddled on the Android marketplace. Just compare the Facebook app on the iPhone with the Facebook app on Android.
Your information is out of date. As of Tuesday the iPhone and Android facebook applications reached parity. Also, regarding the market vs App store... there are a lot more free, quality apps for Android than for iPhone. If you are willing to deal with advertisements then you don't have to spend a dime on most apps at all. Angry Birds is one example of this model.

I think all the developers who make tons of money from the iOS app store as compared to the developers who make nothing from the Android marketplace will agree with the sentiment that Apple is a more valuable partner than Google.

Programmers trying to sell programs will go wherever the users are, period. As for getting programs onto the Market or App Store, then there is no question.... the process is far easier, cheaper, and less of a hassle with Google.... especially since you don' t even have to sell your program on the Google market (you can sell it off of your own website).

$25 is all it costs to become an Android developer. As I recall, Apple charges ~$99, which carries no guarantee that your program will be approved and make it onto the app store.

Your point?
That the fact that Apple treats its customers with so much disdain is very surprising for a company that makes most of its money from their direct purchases.
Marketing is Apple's last bastion when it comes to iOS. Looking objectively at function, features, pricing, and availability, there is little reason to go with iOS over Android.

This is why people refer to iPhone enthusiasts as 'fan-boys' so often. They can no longer claim that their phones are the best at anything. Their preference for the iOS platform is rooted in emotional subjectivity. You know this to be true, just read this forum.
There is nothing wrong with that (people have different opinions), but its when they deny that that is the case that arguments start.
 
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you guys are seriously arguing about this? it's kinda sad...

everyone has different preferences, and all businesses have different models of how to run their companies and make profits (which is ultimately the only reason why they're in the industry - it's currently profitable, they're really not here to just serve you).

Yes, both of them develop a smartphone OS, but this is a case of product differentiation. Some features may seem like they were copied, some may be completely different. You can't just compare them and say "this is just better", because essentially both companies function in different ways and follow a different business plan. As competitive as they are, there ultimately is no "better" OS, they are different and good in different ways.

I think it's these diehard fanboys that argue so much about this crap trying to prove that their device is God's gift to earth is what's making the very products they support actually look bad.
 
What are you talking about? This isn't a campfire and we aren't singing 'Kumbaya'.

There is certainly room to say whether a certain feature or device does its job better than another.

Necessity (including the necessity to improve) is the mother of invention and competition breeds innovation.

I would love for iOS to open up and Apple to fix the iPhone's flaws... that would kick Motorola, HTC, Samsung & co right in the pants and force them to come out with even better devices.

If everyone held hands and decided that mediocre was good enough then we'd still be sending telegraphs and riding horse-buggies to work every day.

I don't want to ride a horse to work.... those things poop everywhere
 
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