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Steve Jobs must be on hot seat to rush iphone to Verizon with this Droid growth

ajarnfalang said:
All Apple has to do is LISTEN to the customers and release the updates ASAP and stay competitive.

and stop being such a control freak with the device.

I own a $700 dollar phone and I can't change the ring tone for emails. I mean, seriously.
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I'd rather have apple control things, it works. Sure they may be missing some customization but that's obvious. Every phone OS on touch screens had to start from scratch. Look at Windows 7 mobile as an example, it does not even have copy paste yet.

As long as apple controls things and keeps the iOS on a specific device we will prevent fragmentation. Fragmentation is the downfall of an OS, especially when the market place is the key factor in the device.
 
ajarnfalang said:
Yes. That's what I meant. I meant it in a good way.

I meant that was amazing for a company that makes just 1 phone in 1 color.

Nobody can come close. I don't care how many Android handsets are being sold out there. The iPhone still is #1.
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I was actually addressing the OP (too lazy to quote...its late) but glad we're in agreement.

Yes Android is growing but Steve has nothing to worry about. RIM, Palm, Nokia maybe...Apple...not so much.
 
Agree.

Apple has nothing to worry about. It's not just the phone but the whole package. The way the present it, the way they make you want it. The superb built quality.

Look at me for example. I was using a Blackberry Bold a week ago.

This phone does everything right for me. It is very easy to use. I love iBooks. I love the email client. I love the browser and how it displays HTML5.

If you're going to go for a really high end phone, you may as well just get an iPhone.

and for all the talk about Android being more "open", tell that to all the people that are "rooting" their device. That's Android talk for "I've jailbroken my Android".

Anyway, Android is an iOS copy. Before iOS we were fiddling with a stylus.

I think next year we will see some really nice things come for iOS, not necessarily hardware wise.

They'll introduce something really cool. Steve will say "Ain't that cool", he will smile as he thinks of the billions he will make. Then he will say "And it will be available for iPhone 4 users starying next month".

Our collective chests will inflate and yet again, we will make Android 3.0 look stupid.
 
ajarnfalang said:
and for all the talk about Android being more "open", tell that to all the people that are "rooting" they device. That's Android talk for "I've jailbroken my Android".
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It's the prime example of why there needs to be some regulation over the device to preserve the user experience.
 
It seems like every week news articles were saying the other was under pressure versus the other. I personally don't see how either are under too much pressure at this point, with Android's stellar growth and iPhone's/iOS's growing revenue stream.

Aside from the differences in OS technologies, when the nation is safely and reliably running on LTE wireless technologies (except for poor Sprint users, unless Wi-Max or whatever their CDMA-based network is called is dumped, despite their heavy investing), Apple will be selling the iPhone unlocked for all carriers anyway. Apple pursues the most simplistic, minimalistic approach to nearly everything. When they can put a single chip in a phone that makes it available to nearly every cell phone carrier in the US, meeting their expectations for a wireless service, they will.

With that said, I still have high doubts about a January Verizon iPhone. A January ANNOUNCEMENT about an LTE-based Verizon iPhone in the future, maybe. But not a CDMA-based, January-released iPhone. Not with all the Android emphasis Verizon has placed and a looming iPhone 5 for next summer.
 
Lol, its funny when people think the iPhone is being driven to extinction by android, especially when the stats show that Apple has sold approximately 73 million since it launched only 3 and a half years ago. on average thats 2 million per month. Impressive
 
spikefood said:
It's the prime example of why there needs to be some regulation over the device to preserve the user experience.
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I am not sure if new Android users really understand what is happening.

You get an android phone. It's cheap enough. Great. Now, it has android but he Manufacturer has now altered it, putting their own custom apps and UI on top of it.

So, really, you could be spending money on a phone that will never again see an update.

Not an issue with the iPhone. Apple controls it all. We all own the same phone. When Apple says, update coming next month, we know we will all get it.

How many people that bought Androids are still on 2.0? or 2.1 and will never see an update from their phone manufacturers, and even though their device may be able to support Android 3.0, when will they get it? or will they?

What if you bought a Motorola and they decide to update some other model but not yours?

Not for me thanks.

I don't want to be rooting or jailbreaking. I want it to work. The iPhone works for me.
 
foxnews1 said:
sigh. I am done explaining. you are hopeless. read my post and at least try to understand it before trying to argue more.
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I did try to read it... you just need to know how to write and explain yourself better, especially someone that is called 'foxnews1'...
 
ajarnfalang said:
But, Apple is the only one releasing iOS in only 1 phone they make.

Is it really fair to compare it against Google who makes an OS and gives it to everyone?
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Why wouldnt it be fair? Apple is in the position its in right now because of its own decisions.
 
I think everyone are a bunch of suckers and once again Steve has everyone exactly where he wants them. Jobs doesn't get surprised, Jobs surprises you.
 
Rarely have I seen a thread with so many posts from fan boys and (honestly) dummies.

Apple should have already offered their phone to multiple cell service providers. The iPhone's success and Uncle Steve's arrogance have made him lazy.

Go back to mid 2010, suddenly every provider (including AT&T) has at least TWO high-end Android phones to offer customers, and ~70% of initial iphone4 buyers are people who already have an iPhone. The combination of all of those factors probably made a Verizon deal very urgent for Apple.

Android growth will level off at some point, but it is a zero-sum game. iOS and Android are competing for the same customers... so news that your potential customer base has almost been cut in half in a single year should is a sign that your competitor knows (or is doing) something that you don't.

From Apple's standpoint.... whether the phone is made by Samsung or Motorola or HTC or LG isn't important. The distinguishing characteristic on these phones are the features, which is determined by the OS for the most part.
 
I doubt Apple has any financial worries, but they should be worrying about the quality of the user experience for the iPhone. That's right - the quality of the user experience. Right now Apple gets away with charging a premium for the user experience. However, as the capabilities of competing phones increase, and the quality of their software begins to approach Apple's, Apple will be forced to respond or re-live the Newton debacle.

And if you don't believe that Apple's user-experience quality can be matched, then I'd ask you to try to synchronize To-Do items from the iCal to the iPhone, to set a repeating alarm, or to perform a time-critical task while notifications are banging away.

For what it's worth: I think Job's pride/ego won't let Apple fall behind, so the pace of iOS development is likely to increase.

And by the way, the quality of discussion in sections of this thread reached a new low. Wow.
 
It's true that Apple has no financial worries and I'd say it's going to far to say they are in the hot seat. And I don't think they need to beg Verizon for anything.

That being said, like every publicly traded company, these types of news stories affect the stock. Steve is responsible to the stockholders to make sure the stock value increases. To do this, thinks like market share and revenue are important. To continue increasing both Apple will need to start courting more carriers including Verizon and the CDMA carriers in India and China.
 
I don't think Apple can keep up while still staying as profitable.

As big as they are, they aren't as big (nor as talented) a software company as Google and they aren't as big (nor as talented) a hardware manufacturer as Samsung, Motorola, HTC, etc...either combined or apart.

As such, I think Apple is limited in what they can offer. Look at how long tethering and copy and paste took? The main new feature in iOS4 was facetime video chat. They don't have many other places to go unless they start offering the same options already found on other platforms like widgets, etc.
 
Geckotek said:
Take a look at my profile. It's listed under my name.

I've traveled with my CDMA phone to both China and Korea. Feel free to do some research about CDMA around the world here:

http://www.cdg.org/



I just used the local CDMA carrier while roaming. The times I wanted to use it a lot and worried about the roaming charges, I just rented a phone.
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the big advantage about GSM is you can swap a sim and not have to "Rent a Phone". World travelers like the convenience of getting a local sim and being able to use the device they have. And oh, BTW 90% of the rest of the world uses GSM. CDMA is a lost cause.
 
ClutchThese said:
the big advantage about GSM is you can swap a sim and not have to "Rent a Phone".
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Sure, as long as you're not using one of the SIM-locked iPhones sold by half the world's carriers... including AT&T. In which case, there is no such advantage.

World travelers like the convenience of getting a local sim and being able to use the device they have. And oh, BTW 90% of the rest of the world uses GSM. CDMA is a lost cause.
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I choose to use what's best for me. Not billions of dumb phone users.

Sure, to anyone who travels the world, an unlocked GSM phone is a good idea. That's why when I travel overseas I use either a throwaway GSM phone or a Verizon CDMA+GSM worldphone that can use local SIMs.

Inside in the USA, I use Verizon because its coverage and reliability is superior where I live and go.

Best of both worlds for me. Now, if I spent all my time in Florida (which apparently has good ATT coverage), I might've been able to stick with GSM alone.
 
ClutchThese said:
the big advantage about GSM is you can swap a sim and not have to "Rent a Phone". World travelers like the convenience of getting a local sim and being able to use the device they have. And oh, BTW 90% of the rest of the world uses GSM. CDMA is a lost cause.
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Actually, most world travelers I know prefer to use their own phone number and actually pay roaming costs. But perhaps it's because I'm used to dealing with corporate executives/business travelers, not casual travelers. (I fought this due to the high expenses, but it's hard to tell the CEO he can't have is own phone # when he travels). But I'm betting those business travelers make up a larger portion of traveling users than the casual travelers do.

Being a world traveler myself, I could disagree as well. But of course I'm just one person and I recognize that. Since I was a casual traveler and I didn't have an iPhone at the time, it was just as easy for me to rent a phone than to drop a SIM in a GSM feature phone. More recent trips I just roamed using my iPhone. I didn't have a need to make a lot of calls.

Let's also recognize that a large majority of the iPhones out there are locked. So that pretty much negates this argument in the context of the iPhone.

Oh, and only 83% of the world is using GSM. While Verizon will retire CDMA in about 10 years, it is actually growing in China and India. CDMA is continuing to be developed as well. With those things in mind, it's hard to say it's a lost cause. However, just like the technology standards of GSM (GSM is no longer a technology standard, but an organization) the current technologies of CDMA will be retired.

Oh...and funny thing...the GSM organzation abandoned TDMA to go with W-CDMA....which shares some of the base spread spectrum technologies as CDMA. So yeah....CDMA will die...just as all the previous GSM technologies have as well. It's the evolution of technology. I always find it so funny that people get some sort of satisfaction out of saying "CDMA is dying". I wonder if they did the same for TDMA? Will they do the same for HSDPA when LTE takes over? It's just a wireless technology, they all upgrade over time. Why the fanboyism?
 
^^sure they are locked with ATT ...here in the US. It other countries they are free from that. So we CAN change the sim very easily as it should be considering we pay so much for a phone.

Don't get me wrong, Verizon works well here in the US for a lot of people. It's just a battle that they will not win. And just like so many Apple fanboys, Verizon has their following of fanboys too. CDMA is very restrictive when compared to GSM.

Ok, off my soap box.

Geckotek said:
Actually, most world travelers I know prefer to use their own phone number and actually pay roaming costs. But perhaps it's because I'm used to dealing with corporate executives/business travelers, not casual travelers. (I fought this due to the high expenses, but it's hard to tell the CEO he can't have is own phone # when he travels). But I'm betting those business travelers make up a larger portion of traveling users than the casual travelers do.

Being a world traveler myself, I could disagree as well. But of course I'm just one person and I recognize that. Since I was a casual traveler and I didn't have an iPhone at the time, it was just as easy for me to rent a phone than to drop a SIM in a GSM feature phone. More recent trips I just roamed using my iPhone. I didn't have a need to make a lot of calls.

Let's also recognize that a large majority of the iPhones out there are locked. So that pretty much negates this argument in the context of the iPhone.

Oh, and only 83% of the world is using GSM. While Verizon will retire CDMA in about 10 years, it is actually growing in China and India. CDMA is continuing to be developed as well. With those things in mind, it's hard to say it's a lost cause. However, just like the technology standards of GSM (GSM is no longer a technology standard, but an organization) the current technologies of CDMA will be retired.

Oh...and funny thing...the GSM organzation abandoned TDMA to go with W-CDMA....which shares some of the base spread spectrum technologies as CDMA. So yeah....CDMA will die...just as all the previous GSM technologies have as well. It's the evolution of technology. I always find it so funny that people get some sort of satisfaction out of saying "CDMA is dying". I wonder if they did the same for TDMA? Will they do the same for HSDPA when LTE takes over? It's just a wireless technology, they all upgrade over time. Why the fanboyism?
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yay, more cold hard facts. Thanks
 
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ClutchThese said:
^^sure they are locked with ATT ...here in the US. It other countries they are free from that. So we CAN change the sim very easily as it should be considering we pay so much for a phone.

Don't get me wrong, Verizon works well here in the US for a lot of people. It's just a battle that they will not win. And just like so many Apple fanboys, Verizon has their following of fanboys too. CDMA is very restrictive when compared to GSM.

Ok, off my soap box.
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Most of those countries sell locked iPhones as well. They are only unlocked in a few countries.

Locked phones = restrictive as well

I have multiple GSM phones and planned to switch the SIM card back and forth. I've done it once in the past 3 years. And all the places I've traveled either had CDMA or both GSM and CDMA. The wonderful world of GSM hasn't really done much for me so far. This is just my practical experience. I'm aware it's not the same for everyone else, but it's still something to consider.


edit: NVM...think that data was old
 
Geckotek,

Would you still be as hyped about your CDMA if Verizon was on a GSM network?


Portugal isn't on there! i'm going there in 15 days and i've looked to see if they sell unlocked iPhones, they do.
 
ClutchThese said:
Geckotek,

Would you still be as hyped about your CDMA if Verizon was on a GSM network?
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That's a good question. Since I sold/trained on both TDMA and CDMA way back when they were first rolled out....probably. CDMA was the superior technology at the time.

It's only VERY recently that GSM switched over to W-CDMA and made the quality of voice better. But that switch-over was extremely painful. The W-CDMA migration actually caused a lot of the AT&T network issues iPhone users complain about....most of them just didn't realize it. (IMHO AT&T didn't handle the migration very well...but I'm no wireless engineer). Until then, GSMs ONLY claim was being able to use your phone in Europe since the EU decided to standardize on TDMA (and created the GSM association).

Remember, at the time CDMA was chosen for wireless networks in the US, GSM wasn't really as ubiquitous as it is today.
 
People arguing against the success of a Verizon iPhone are seriously short sighted.

1) Verizon has 90 million customers, a good chunk who will gladly purchase the iPhone during the first week of release (2-3 million guaranteed during the first week). Remember, 50% of worldwide iPhone sales are in the US. Now imagine that number carry over to a new iPhone release=$$$.

2) there is a huge ancillary benefit to releasing a Verizon iPhone and that is the ability for Apple to put a stop to the Android machine. In fact, I believe that the reason Android had any growth over the past few years is solely due to the fact that the iPhone is not available on Verizon. I can guarantee you that once we have the iPhone on Verizon, the Droid is going to be like a forgotten stepchild from a previous marriage.
 
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