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Steve Jobs on Lack of Firewire in MacBooks
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It's all so stupid.
We live in the digital age. And here we have the nicest OS... yes indeed, Mac OSX.
But we can only get a few computers for it. And some crippled by lack of firewire, choice in screen...etc.
And then there is silly Windows for which you can get whatever you want.
It's like you can buy a wonderful modern engine but can only choose from 3 cars...
and there is an old steam engine for which you can get anything, from a Trabi to a Rolls Royce.
OSX is great. Now give us choice.
We live in the digital age. And here we have the nicest OS... yes indeed, Mac OSX.
But we can only get a few computers for it. And some crippled by lack of firewire, choice in screen...etc.
And then there is silly Windows for which you can get whatever you want.
It's like you can buy a wonderful modern engine but can only choose from 3 cars...
and there is an old steam engine for which you can get anything, from a Trabi to a Rolls Royce.
OSX is great. Now give us choice.
True – I don't want such a thing. I don't want a matte screen either.
Seriously, though, that seems to be concept. What's worse, some people - some of them in this thread - seem to applaud that sentiment and tries to argue that very case.
LOL, he said "all of the new HD camcorders of the past FEW YEARS use USB 2.0"
And as far as I know, late 90's is gone more than a decade ago...
In a thread with more than 2600 posts you decide to reply to post #2 just in case everyone had missed that post?
and mine that I got 2 years ago from the Apple Online Store that will only transfer video via FW? Sure it has USB, but that is for only transfering pictures and will not transfer video through USB.
The macbook looked very nice but now...
I was about to order myself a macbook.
I wanted something with the power to do a little video editing in FC and a little photo editing in Photoshop.
I won't bother now, no ***** firewire.
Want to know somethign more annoying than this? to get a laptop without the disgusting glossy ******** lookinbg screen you got to buy the huge 17" macbook pro!! - too wide, too heavy and NONONO!
Well, look likei will be ordering a 15" macbook pro. I'm sure theres some kind of screen coating you can apply to it too lessen the glare of the reflection.
COME ON APPLE get your ****ing act together: glossy screens and now no firewire in macbooks! Whats next? no more ipod classic? - you dare!
I was about to order myself a macbook.
I wanted something with the power to do a little video editing in FC and a little photo editing in Photoshop.
I won't bother now, no ***** firewire.
Want to know somethign more annoying than this? to get a laptop without the disgusting glossy ******** lookinbg screen you got to buy the huge 17" macbook pro!! - too wide, too heavy and NONONO!
Well, look likei will be ordering a 15" macbook pro. I'm sure theres some kind of screen coating you can apply to it too lessen the glare of the reflection.
COME ON APPLE get your ****ing act together: glossy screens and now no firewire in macbooks! Whats next? no more ipod classic? - you dare!
So true.
When SJ returned, Apple was in a state where they lacked a sense of direction concerning their product offerings.
SJ quickly simplified the line up to the following:
Desktop --> Pro and Consumer model
Laptop --> Pro and Consumer model
It made things simple.
Since then, there have been additions such as the Mac Mini, Apple TV, iPods and now the iPhone.
Apple has always charged a premium for their products. Their products have always been good quality.
These days the MB's lack of FW, the lack of a matte screen option on the MBP, and other changes make me question where Apple is going. Personally I don't like some of the changes. Maybe that is because I am an old timer who started using Macs in 1986.
I am sure that you are not the only one who has been turned of from the MB because of the lack of FW.
Firewire
I just purchased a new macbook and I am a bit dissapointed at apples move to remove it. However, everyone is really taking this really too far.
Heres what I do:
1) Since we are all complete fans of apple, most of us have an old mac with firewire. Simply download the DV DATA onto your old mac and send it to the new mac.
2) Have the guts to install windows and purchase a Firewire to USB cable and then download it onto windows and transfer it onto Leopard.
http://theappleblog.com/2008/10/30/firewire-to-usb-macbook-redeemer/
Thats the link to a thread on Firewire to USB cables.
here is a thread form that can also help you:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/610444/
Anyway, I also agree that it was a stupid move by apple, dont get me wrong.
I really hope they sort this one out Fast!
I just purchased a new macbook and I am a bit dissapointed at apples move to remove it. However, everyone is really taking this really too far.
Heres what I do:
1) Since we are all complete fans of apple, most of us have an old mac with firewire. Simply download the DV DATA onto your old mac and send it to the new mac.
2) Have the guts to install windows and purchase a Firewire to USB cable and then download it onto windows and transfer it onto Leopard.
http://theappleblog.com/2008/10/30/firewire-to-usb-macbook-redeemer/
Thats the link to a thread on Firewire to USB cables.
here is a thread form that can also help you:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/610444/
Anyway, I also agree that it was a stupid move by apple, dont get me wrong.
I really hope they sort this one out Fast!
You really must be kidding?
1a) we're not all "completely fans".
1b) Have you any idea how audio interfaces even work? Further, do you expect people to carry an old computer with them in order to use their other tools in the field, in ADDITION to their new MB?
2) You really, really, should have read at least a page or two in this thread or at least get the basic knowlege down before you try to "advice" people on this matter.
You obviously know nothing about firewire nor USB if you think that cable does anything even remotely useful for most of us (no matter how much that cable supposedly work in theory under windows).
*smacks head* I can't believe you went there with the firewire to usb cable. Don't you think after 2600 posts it had already been covered and discussed to death?
Thanks for trying but you really should have read up before posting, this discussion has matured now.
The persons post is germane if DV is the only thing one is asking to be transferred (of course this is assuming the cable isn't worthless). Otherwise you are correct, it has been said and shot down for everything that isn't DV.
I think so.
Yep, which is very important to some of us.
Too bad there is no requirement to read all posts in a thread before posting.
The Johnny come lately types get old.
Um, lmao. I hope no-one needs to explain how stupid it would be to cart your old computer around with you all day and every day so you can copy the DV footage to your new one. I mean, your productivity is limited by the speed of your old computer, so why bother copying across to the new one? Why bother buying a new one at all?
Let's just halve Apple's market share, add $500 to every model and have the Macs we used to have - cutting edge apple interfaces like FireWire.
MacBook Pro is gonna get longer and wider, while becoming thinner. It's future is 1 mini USB 3 port and a magsafe port. The MacBook will have no USB. Instead of a screen, each will just have a mirror - but don't worry, you won't need it, as it's 2015 and still no BluRay.
Let's just halve Apple's market share, add $500 to every model and have the Macs we used to have - cutting edge apple interfaces like FireWire.
MacBook Pro is gonna get longer and wider, while becoming thinner. It's future is 1 mini USB 3 port and a magsafe port. The MacBook will have no USB. Instead of a screen, each will just have a mirror - but don't worry, you won't need it, as it's 2015 and still no BluRay.
People, people, Firewire is DEAD,
Steve Jobs said so.
That's why when I heard that I immediately disposed of my 2 external drives, one a Firewire 400 and the other Firewire 800.
Sure they worked great, but they're old technology now.
Currently looking for a couple of nice usb 1.1 drives to replace 'em...
Steve Jobs said so.
That's why when I heard that I immediately disposed of my 2 external drives, one a Firewire 400 and the other Firewire 800.
Sure they worked great, but they're old technology now.
Currently looking for a couple of nice usb 1.1 drives to replace 'em...
Yes, I do understand that many high speed devices such as Audio interfaces require firewire to operate, and like I said, I agree with everyone here completely.
All I was simply implying was that if you happen to have a mac (at home ) then there is a way to work around it.
I was not implying that the loss of fire wire is not a problem. It is a huge problem for those of us that rely on target disk mode for transferring files and connecting high speed peripherals such as hardrives and DV cameras.
As Cole slaw said, Apple is trying to get rid of fire wire (who knows why) to make way for something like USB 3.0 which will hopefully integrate the flow of data in both directions.
All I was simply implying was that if you happen to have a mac (at home ) then there is a way to work around it.
I was not implying that the loss of fire wire is not a problem. It is a huge problem for those of us that rely on target disk mode for transferring files and connecting high speed peripherals such as hardrives and DV cameras.
As Cole slaw said, Apple is trying to get rid of fire wire (who knows why) to make way for something like USB 3.0 which will hopefully integrate the flow of data in both directions.
Only it won't. It's going to be like 2.0, but faster. Why does that matter? It's not in the notebooks now, there is nothing replacing firewire in these notebooks.
How come Sony's brand new top of the line consumer camcorder FX1000 has only FW?
I tell you why: Because your beloved crappy USB 2.0 is not stable, nor fast enough to have made it into the HDV standard.
For the same reason professional flash based camcorders like the Red use FW instead of USB connections for their card readers.
When it finally hit the market USB 2.0 was already yesterday's technology compared to FW400. Compared to todays FW800 it feels like stone age.
USB 2.0 is decent enough for the limited use of AVCHD and SD harddisk/flash based video and for Office and entertainment users. But if you are doing stuff above that entry level, or work with audio, or as a Mac supporter, then FW is an absolute MUST.
Of course one can argue that the Macbook was aimed at amateurs in the first place. That's fine. We certainly wouldn't have these endless discussions if there were a viable SMALL FOOTPRINT PRO alternative available. There are indeed several small professional notebooks available but unfortunately none from Apple, the most proprietary player in the market...
Conclusion:
Apple is turning into a mainstream computer company that still makes the best OS. But unfortunately many professionals can't use it anymore. With the exception of the MacPro towers, as of today there is only inferior or mediocre hardware available to run it!
If played well, the proprietary game certainly has his advantages. And playing it well means THE OBLIGATION to offer the widest possible variety of options. With every option you limit, you'll be losing customers.
During an ongoing recession that might well be turning into a real depression soon, it will be very hard to to fill that loss with fresh switchers willing to pay the Apple tax.
So tape is the past, present and future of all professional cameras? It seems like you are saying that. Top of the line cameras do still utilize the more tried and true tape, and let's face it if you are going to MAKE a customer segment begin to switch over you start with consumers and their $ 500 investments and not videographers. What does the RED camera use? I am assuming tape.
However the vast majority of cameras offered on store shelves have NO more tape period. I was in a CE store again yesterday and counted 3 of 21 units that were not either HDD, DVD or Flash based. Three thats it.
I agree with your conclusion 100% that Apple is now chasing a wider more consumer based market. One can only conclude that market research has told them that it is far more lucrative for them to do so. The fact that they have captured nearly the entire digital music market, and a big portion of the smart phone market may be a clue that they are on to something there
I do not necessarily agree with you that the impending Great Depression Sequel will have them rue the day they left their loyal and artistic content creation "core" behind.
That's all fine and well, except for two things.So tape is the past, present and future of all professional cameras? It seems like you are saying that. Top of the line cameras do still utilize the more tried and true tape, and let's face it if you are going to MAKE a customer segment begin to switch over you start with consumers and their $ 500 investments and not videographers. What does the RED camera use? I am assuming tape.
However the vast majority of cameras offered on store shelves have NO more tape period. I was in a CE store again yesterday and counted 3 of 21 units that were not either HDD, DVD or Flash based. Three thats it.
I agree with your conclusion 100% that Apple is now chasing a wider more consumer based market. One can only conclude that market research has told them that it is far more lucrative for them to do so. The fact that they have captured nearly the entire digital music market, and a big portion of the smart phone market may be a clue that they are on to something there
I do not necessarily agree with you that the impending Great Depression Sequel will have them rue the day they left their loyal and artistic content creation "core" behind.
#1: There are millions of firewire only camcorders already out there and there are firewire camcorders still for sale. Also, you neglect any argument concerning target disk mode which in and of itself makes firewire worth inclusion.
#2: On top of all of this, the cost of having a firewire port in a computer that starts @ $1299 is negligible. Last time I checked on laptops in that price range on Dell's website they virturally all had firewire, in addition to a card slot for upgrades additions. This was a bonehead decision on Apple's part, no way around it.
I agree with your conclusion 100% that Apple is now chasing a wider more consumer based market. One can only conclude that market research has told them that it is far more lucrative for them to do so. The fact that they have captured nearly the entire digital music market, and a big portion of the smart phone market may be a clue that they are on to something there
I do not necessarily agree with you that the impending Great Depression Sequel will have them rue the day they left their loyal and artistic content creation "core" behind.
I would like to point out that Apple don't actually do any market research and ever since the new Macbook lineup was released, any mention of Apple's core products have been omitted from the 'Top Sellers' list on their site. In other words, we can't do our own 'market research' and see for ourselves which laptop is the best seller.
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/fortune/0803/gallery.jobsqna.fortune/3.html - link citing Apple's use of market research.
I agree with your conclusion 100% that Apple is now chasing a wider more consumer based market. One can only conclude that market research has told them that it is far more lucrative for them to do so. The fact that they have captured nearly the entire digital music market, and a big portion of the smart phone market may be a clue that they are on to something there
Yes, I think we all agree on that. But Appe should at least have the grace to stop pretending to cater to the professional market and stop trying to use the monicker "pro" and thus piggy back on professional users reputation in order to sell to those iPod and iPhone users pretending they're selling something they're also selling to the pro market.