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Steve Jobs on Lack of Firewire in MacBooks

iEdd said:
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Just politely, after I have put one end of that FireWire cable into the device, where do I put the other end in the MacBook? (If you like, I can kindly tell you where you can put the other end of it. :p :rolleyes:)
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*Dying on the floor from laughter*

This has made my evening.
 
uv23 said:
Might as well chime in with the thousands of others. My only use of Firewire is an external Lacie drive for backups. It's fast as hell (FW800) but I would be willing to use USB if I had to, especially since its an offline type of process. What I'm not okay with are the absolute ***** glossy screens. I went to check these out at the local Apple store and couldn't see a damn thing from all the glare. Never mind trying to edit color on them. What a nightmare. Not providing a matt option on the new MBP at the very least is a catastrophe.
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Maybe glossy screens suck for you but not for EVERYONE. Stop your friggin' whining. Get a stupid PC if you want a matte screen.
 
Count Blah said:
Sales are slowing - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122938758242108907.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Yet Steve feels it A-OK to let the mini languish for almost a year and half at those pathetic specs. Way to capture the switchers there Steve.

And he feels it's A-OK to force an upsell to the MBP because of the firewire issue.

Looking like one bad decision after another.
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As someone who as been using Macs since the SE, it really feels like the days when Steve left again. :(. They are starting to truly neglect their user base and sell ridiculous computers. I'm happy as pie with my aluminum iMac, but the minis and pros are disgustingly out of date for their price tags. Steve has that iPhone shoved too far up his @$$.......
 
Yeah I am sure sales are slowing because Apple decided to leave FW off the latest round of MacBooks ...yeah that has to be it.

...Not because the economy is tanking, no i am sure it couldn't be that.

FTW what is selling a lot is sub $500 netbooks. ...But they don't have FW in general either do they? Its all so confusing.
 
robanga said:
Yeah I am sure sales are slowing because Apple decided to leave FW off the latest round of MacBooks ...yeah that has to be it.

...Not because the economy is tanking, no i am sure it couldn't be that.

FTW what is selling a lot is sub $500 netbooks. ...But they don't have FW in general either do they? Its all so confusing.
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Several of those actually have a working expresscard-slot – and by "working" I mean a) it exists, and b) it actually does work with a firewire-expresscard adaptor.
 
Tosser said:
Several of those actually have a working expresscard-slot – and by "working" I mean a) it exists, and b) it actually does work with a firewire-expresscard adaptor.
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The extreme low-end Lenovo IdeaPad S10 netbook has a expresscard slot and it's only ~$349, street price, while the $1,294.00 new mid-range MacBook doesn't.

"Freedom from choice... is what you want." (Devo)
 
localoid said:
The extreme low-end Lenovo IdeaPad S10 netbook has a expresscard slot and it's only ~$349, street price, while the $1,294.00 new mid-range MacBook doesn't.

"Freedom from choice... is what you want." (Devo)
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Do those low end netbooks have the processing power with their atom's to video edit and use for digital audio? If so that would seem to be a perfect alternative $ 349 for lenovo, $ 80 for a card and maybe some new software that will run under XP (because there are not a lot of choices for the linux ones right?)

Course - you are not going to get much storage at all. So you will either need to buy a portable external drive, or get all that digital goodness back to your main computer quickly. , Still $ 150 for a nice external drive, and assuming you have the software, around $ 700 gets you your portable digital studio.

Problems solved...buy a netbook.
 
localoid said:
The extreme low-end Lenovo IdeaPad S10 netbook has a expresscard slot and it's only ~$349, street price, while the $1,294.00 new mid-range MacBook doesn't.

"Freedom from choice... is what you want." (Devo)
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Yup, I know – hence me arguing that "some netbooks" had a "working exresscard slot". ;)
 
trd1282 said:
seriously people, buy the friggin firewire 400 to 800 adapter and give it a rest already.

http://www.sonnettech.com/product/fw_adapter.html
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iEdd said:
How does someone like you, unable to read the topic of the very thread you posted in, expect to be taken seriously?

Try to read this, maybe sound the letters out if necessary. When you string the various words together, you will form a sentence - a device which will convey meaning, like this one:

Steve Jobs on [->]Lack[<-] of Firewire in MacBooks

[key words are highlighted in red]

Just politely, after I have put one end of that FireWire cable into the device, where do I put the other end in the MacBook? (If you like, I can kindly tell you where you can put the other end of it. :p :rolleyes:)
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LMAO!

Do you mind if I repost this on every subsequent page from now on?
 
robanga said:
Do those low end netbooks have the processing power with their atom's to video edit and use for digital audio? If so that would seem to be a perfect alternative $ 349 for lenovo, $ 80 for a card and maybe some new software that will run under XP (because there are not a lot of choices for the linux ones right?)

Course - you are not going to get much storage at all. So you will either need to buy a portable external drive, or get all that digital goodness back to your main computer quickly. , Still $ 150 for a nice external drive, and assuming you have the software, around $ 700 gets you your portable digital studio.

Problems solved...buy a netbook.
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If you look at the lower end Core 2 Duo Windows laptops, you'll find something with much more power and storage than an Atom netbook.

You'll be happier if you don't try to force a solution on a Netbook - Atom is in a different class than Core 2.
 
robanga said:
Do those low end netbooks have the processing power with their atom's to video edit and use for digital audio? If so that would seem to be a perfect alternative $ 349 for lenovo, $ 80 for a card and maybe some new software that will run under XP (because there are not a lot of choices for the linux ones right?)

Course - you are not going to get much storage at all. So you will either need to buy a portable external drive, or get all that digital goodness back to your main computer quickly. , Still $ 150 for a nice external drive, and assuming you have the software, around $ 700 gets you your portable digital studio.

Problems solved...buy a netbook.
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Besides what Aiden said, you also have the problem of a much smaller screen with very low vertical solution and a smaller keyboard.
But my original point was merely that in pure connectivity-sense, even a netbook has much more than the MacBook, and the Expresscard-slot found only on the "Pro" MacBook (read "MacBook Big") can't even match the expresscard slots found on netbooks.


Edit/Add: I will be buying an S10 when they come to Denmark (with a keyboard with the letters æ,ø, and å) regardless that they have a glossy screen, low vertical screen resolution, small keyboard, and so on. I figure it's a fun extra computer, it can connect to what I want, and I can keep the Thinkpad I am going to go to as a clean XP-system while playing around with OS X on the S10.
 
AidenShaw said:
If you look at the lower end Core 2 Duo Windows laptops, you'll find something with much more power and storage than an Atom netbook.

You'll be happier if you don't try to force a solution on a Netbook - Atom is in a different class than Core 2.
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Completely agree.

Netbooks, IMHO, are merely for those who want to access the web, do e-mail and light Office work (Word, Excel and PowerPoint) while on the go.

Tosser said:
you also have the problem of a much smaller screen with very low vertical solution and a smaller keyboard.
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Very true.

If you are a touch typist, keyboard size and feel can make a big difference.
 
sushi said:
Netbooks, IMHO, are merely for those who want to access the web, do e-mail and light Office work (Word, Excel and PowerPoint) while on the go.
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I fully agree with the above statement, but I'd have argue that the dropping of firewire on the new Alu MB has made it no better than a glorified netbook for many users, granted a much more powerful one. But as others have stated some of the lower end netbooks appear to have more connectivity, which in some ways just seems bizarre!

Something else that seems odd to me is that Apple appear to be marketing the new Alu MB as a glorified netbook. I may be way off the mark but the whole digital hub ethos seems to be waning with the current refresh.

As others have said earlier in this thread it seems as though Apple are going after end users who consume rather than create, but I'd guess that many of these consumers are going to be alot more frugal in the current downturn/recession. Of course many of the content creators that use the mac platform are just going to avoid this refresh completely due to the reasons spread throughout this thread, myself included.
 
Don't hate on Jobs.. he just gave us another reason not to buy the MacBook.

A fine AIM chatting machine the MacBook is. An artist's, portable studio it is not.
 
TuffLuffJimmy said:
Do you really think that Apple with ever have the OS market dominated? That's like saying sometime soon in the future everyone will drive ferraris.
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Seriously.

A) Apple doesn't care about that, they want to make the best products, not dominate the world with crappy cheaply made faulty products like windows and PCs

B) Why is everyone making such a big deal about this? FireWire 800 ports are on the MBP, and if you actually care about doing design work or film or audio etc, you should only get the MBP anyway for the power and larger expandability and higher screen resolution etc.
 
DocNYz said:
Seriously.

A) Apple doesn't care about that, they want to make the best products, not dominate the world with crappy cheaply made faulty products like windows and PCs

B) Why is everyone making such a big deal about this? FireWire 800 ports are on the MBP, and if you actually care about doing design work or film or audio etc, you should only get the MBP anyway for the power and larger expandability and higher screen resolution etc.
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Oh man your gonna need this.....

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DocNYz said:
Seriously.

A) Apple doesn't care about that, they want to make the best products, not dominate the world with crappy cheaply made faulty products like windows and PCs

B) Why is everyone making such a big deal about this? FireWire 800 ports are on the MBP, and if you actually care about doing design work or film or audio etc, you should only get the MBP anyway for the power and larger expandability and higher screen resolution etc.
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Does anyone else see a problem with this? like the fact that the new MBP also has an inferior (perhaps some would even say crappy cheaply made) FW chipset?
 
MasterNile said:
Does anyone else see a problem with this? like the fact that the new MBP also has an inferior (perhaps some would even say crappy cheaply made) FW chipset?
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It was my understanding that the chipset meets all standards but some peripherals don't thus making them not always work correctly.
 
darwinian said:
I think some audio folks swear up and down by chipsets by TI. Or do I have that backward?
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Yes they love the TI ones. It was my understanding that this "faulty" one does actually meet standards, but cannot use things that do not use those standards.
 
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