Whichever way it's interesting that the gains they were making against PCs (I think they were in a report I read a while ago, correct me if I'm wrong) is now eroding, judging by these figures at least. But there's no way of really knowing if it's because of the new unibodies costing more, or the lack of firewire. I'd hazard a guess that it could be worse in other regions due to weakening currencies, and therefore increased costs to the consumers.
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Steve Jobs on Lack of Firewire in MacBooks
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Whichever way it's interesting that the gains they were making against PCs (I think they were in a report I read a while ago, correct me if I'm wrong) is now eroding, judging by these figures at least. But there's no way of really knowing if it's because of the new unibodies costing more, or the lack of firewire. I'd hazard a guess that it could be worse in other regions due to weakening currencies, and therefore increased costs to the consumers.
I'd wager to say sales are down due to the economy, but I have nothing to back that up with.
Especially since sales of PCs are going up …
Disregarding Netbooks, PC-sales were up 16%, according to the article. And in total, including the Netbooks, it went up 36%. Now, that doesn't suggest people buy netbooks to save money over a laptop, but that even more people buy computers or (even worse in relation to your argument
, buy an extra computer which happens to be a netbook.That would be more than likely, but I know of at least a few sales first hand that have been lost due to dropping firewire, but that's purely anecdotal evidence
BTW it looks as though the new mac pros have the TI chipset
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/670631/
Fat lot of use for pro tools users though
Just have to see what the new iMac and mini have.
BTW it looks as though the new mac pros have the TI chipset
Fat lot of use for pro tools users though
Yup, not to mention pretty awfully hard to use in your car, or in the train.
Anyone find it kind of odd that apple is considered entirely on its own when statistics like these come out?
They have a total of what 6 computers, and they have to compete in statistics against ALL PC makers with all their offereings?
Does that confuse anyone else?
Well at least you can use a firewire Audio device with it, that's the point I was trying to make
Just get a portable generator, a nice bluetooth keyboard and a little LCD screen, and all this fuss about the new macbooks will seem like a distant memory
It shouldn't confuse you. They are compared with _themselves_ the same month a year ago. How is that "unfair" as you suggest?
Is it also unfair when the sales of iPods and iPhones are compared to themselves or even - shock!! Horror!! - to the sales of other DAPs? Oh, no, that's right – Apple have that market cornered, so that's perfectly fine, right?
Well at least you can use a firewire Audio device with it, that's the point I was trying to make
Just get a portable generator, a nice bluetooth keyboard and a little LCD screen, and all this fuss about the new macbooks will seem like a distant memory
Ha ha, yeah! That's what I want!!
Though, it IS a good thing, you're right. However, even if I had a need for a desktop at home, I wouldn't have the guts to buy a Mac Pro after I discovered the Expresscard not working under OS X, even if it did have the proper chip.
Well that is the choice they made, they can always open up OS X to run on all computers (lol yeah right)
What the hell are you talking about?
Where did I say it was unfair (you quoted something i didnt even say).
None of my post was meant to be provocative at all, I'm just wondering how this works. Please try not to be confrontational for absolutely no reason.
It would make more sense to have it as companies right? After all, not ALL PC sales are up 36%, surely sales of certain companies are down right?
Read the post.
I quoted your entire post, where your argument was that it was somehow unfair to compare their sales to the rest of the lot. The quotation marks wasn't to suggest you said it, that was what the actual quote was for. Quotation marks can be used for other things than direct speech, you know.
Please learn how to read. This isn't the first time you are running from what you said.
Hmm, I'm not the one accusing someone of making up quotes. In my world, that's is quite the confrontational accusation. But then again, I'm a journalist.
Properly. Just like some company's sales are up even more. The reality of the world is that Apple is one of two big players. That's it. There's a reason people talk of being a "Mac user" as opposed to being a "PC user".
You know, when we talk of, say, container shipping, it's customary to focus on one company, say, Mærsk, and then compare them to "the rest of the industry". It's called "putting things in context", "drawing parallels" and "looking at tendencies".
Surprised? You won't be after this episode of Soap.
Of course, we could compare to individual companies like Dell, but then you'd propably go "well, it doesn't show the WHOLE picture".
They took FW off the Macbook and left it on the Macbook Pro. I don't know how else to interpret that.
And that's why, as I said, their argument falls apart.
Why are you so confrontational when I didn't do anything other than ask a serious question. I wasn't in full understanding of how these type of statistics worked (which thankfully, you cleared up with the rest of your post). Now the only question that remains is why you think you can tell me what I meant in my post when its clear you made me out to be someone raving about fairness. I asked a question about how this kind of statistic works, thats it, there was no need to be, well, a Tosser about it.
Did you or did you not say the following:
After saying the above, the following rhetorical addendum doesn't alter anything about what is suggested above.
What can I say - other than it must be my uncanny ability to read.
Ah, great, nothing like a jab at one's nickname. Thirdgrader much?
Anyway, no, you weren't "just" asking a question. The whole first part simply cannot be construed differently than as rhetorical questions. Well, thy can if you're willing to simplifiy matters so much that whenever a question mark is present, then it must be a real question.
That _could_ have been true, had they not had FW800 on their latest revision of the Mac Mini (notice the utter lack of Pro in that name). You simply cannot put together an argument based on premises that ignores contradictory facts.
But that FW is ONLY for pros has NEVER been an Apple-argument. It has only been argued that Apple wanted to differentiate between "pro" and "non-pro" users by having an FW-port or not by people on discussion boards. And that the nixing of FW800 was that only "Pro" products would have FW. The occurrence of the revised Mac Mini with FW800 put that notion to bed.
Well, (I know I said I wouldn't do this anymore but I can't help it) it seems to me that Apple killed FW400 in all Macs, that we know, perhaps the MB was a test to see how much uproar they got from dropping FW altogether, since there was enough uproar Apple decided rather than removing FW400 from the Mac Mini for nothing in exchange they removed the FW400 and replaced it with FW800, if this were the case, I would expect FW800 to be on the next case revision to the MB. Again, maybe just a shot in the dark but there's a chance I might not be wrong
Again, your telling me how I post. It was a REAL question, then I asked non rhetorically if I was alone in my confusion. As I have stated several times know, I didnt understand how these statistics worked.
Your right, it must be your uncanny ability to read, past actual posts and put words into the mouths of others.
And yes, I have a bad habit of using question marks at the end actual questions.
Well, (I know I said I wouldn't do this anymore but I can't help it) it seems to me that Apple killed FW400 in all Macs, that we know, perhaps the MB was a test to see how much uproar they got from dropping FW altogether, since there was enough uproar Apple decided rather than removing FW400 from the Mac Mini for nothing in exchange they removed the FW400 and replaced it with FW800, if this were the case, I would expect FW800 to be on the next case revision to the MB. Again, maybe just a shot in the dark but there's a chance I might not be wrong
Yes, let's hope so And simultaneously cross every finger and toe that they will revert to a proper FW chipset. I don't care that something is technically "within spec". When it doesn't work as it's supposed to, it simply doesn't work properly.
Actually, if going by history tells us anything, they decided to drop FW800 (and only have FW400) on the first MBP, only to reintroduce FW800 further down the road.
On a more pessimistic note: They nixed firewire on the iPods, they tried out the faulty Agere chipset, and then a while later they nixed FW on the MB, and reintroduced the Agere, while simultaneously made FW-expresscards non functional under OS X all the while pretending that all recent video cameras were USB, showing how detached from reality they are.
Okay, that was a bit of a rant
I was surprised to to find that this thread is still very active after all this time. I guess I had underestimated how passionately people felt about this subject.
It's interesting that no moderator has locked it since threads over 2,000 posts slow the site down (or something).
Yes, let's hope so And simultaneously cross every finger and toe that they will revert to a proper FW chipset. I don't care that something is technically "within spec". When it doesn't work as it's supposed to, it simply doesn't work properly.
Actually, if going by history tells us anything, they decided to drop FW800 (and only have FW400) on the first MBP, only to reintroduce FW800 further down the road.
On a more pessimistic note: They nixed firewire on the iPods, they tried out the faulty Agere chipset, and then a while later they nixed FW on the MB, and reintroduced the Agere, while simultaneously made FW-expresscards non functional under OS X all the while pretending that all recent video cameras were USB, showing how detached from reality they are.
Okay, that was a bit of a rant
Yeah, here's hoping they put FW800 on all the Macs and use the TI chipset as well.
I am telling you what it reads like. I am telling you what a rhetorical question is. If you don't understand the word "rhetorical", please look it up.
Sure it was. I'm in no doubt that you didn't understand how statistics work, but that doesn't preclude the use of rhetorical questions, now does it?
Again with the unfounded accussation, huh?
Obviously you still don't get nuances. Just like when you accused me of quoting you for something you didn't say. Reminds me of a discussion with you a couple of months ago, where you couldn't understand even the most basic terms and refused to look anything and everything up.
Keep in mind that the majority of us here are nerds, NEVER understimate the fury of a computer nerd
I have a feeling that FW will be added back to the MB, as Tosser correctly pointed out, theyve done it before. It seems they may do these things purely as tests (the macbook is the only computer they offer without FW) to get real world data on how much people value certain features.
I personally don't use FW now, but come August I will finally be making my jump to mac and if the option is added back (I suspect it might be at WWDC accompanying slight spec bumps/ price drop) I fully plan on taking advantage of FW800, thanks mostly to this thread
Apple does listen, it usually just comes at seemingly random times (as shown by OS 3.0).
I guess it reads that way to anyone looking for some sort of squabble who clearly holds grudges to people online. Im sorry you read it that way.
As for this, im done with it, and will continue with the actual thread.
Good day, and hopefully the next time we cross paths it wont be another pointless pissing match.
Cheers