Does anyone know if FireWire 3200 is backward compatible without using an adapter for 400 and 800?
EDIT: 3000! Wahoo!
EDIT: 3000! Wahoo!
Does anyone know if FireWire 3200 is backward compatible without using an adapter for 400 and 800?
That _could_ have been true, had they not had FW800 on their latest revision of the Mac Mini (notice the utter lack of Pro in that name). You simply cannot put together an argument based on premises that ignores contradictory facts.
But that FW is ONLY for pros has NEVER been an Apple-argument. It has only been argued that Apple wanted to differentiate between "pro" and "non-pro" users by having an FW-port or not by people on discussion boards. And that the nixing of FW800 was that only "Pro" products would have FW. The occurrence of the revised Mac Mini with FW800 put that notion to bed.
Does anyone know if FireWire 3200 is backward compatible without using an adapter for 400 and 800?
EDIT: 3000! Wahoo!
The 1.6 Gbit/s and 3.2 Gbit/s devices use the same 9-circuit beta connectors as the existing FireWire 800 and will be fully compatible with existing S400 and S800 devices.
According to the wiki it's backwards compatible with 800 using the same connection, but will need an adapter for 400
Wow, your fast.
Thats great news!
Hopefully 400 will finally die and companies will start using more up to date standards (400 is 14 years old! ancient!).
Yes, no need for FW400 anymore really, replace all FW400 with at least FW800 and then we can work on phasing out all FW400 ports, and once USB 3.0 it will be the final nail in the coffin for at least FW400 if not FW800 as well
I don't hold grudges against people, no matter if they're online or not (what a weird differentiation you put on the table, btw). However, I do run out of patience.I guess it reads that way to anyone looking for some sort of squabble who clearly holds grudges to people online. Im sorry you read it that way.
Good for you.As for this, im done with it, and will continue with the actual thread.
It was never a pissing match to me. I became annoyed by talking to someone accusing me of making up quotes and simultaneously run from what they said even when it was there in plain sight.Good day, and hopefully the next time we cross paths it wont be another pointless pissing match.
Burb.Cheers
I never said that the notion was consistent. It is contradictory, because it's marketing-driven and not reflective of any actual categories of users.
Now we're just going in circles. Call it what you will, Apple tried to shift a set of users - those who require FW - onto a higher-margin product. The fact that they left it on the mini, which doesn't compete with any other Apple product, only shows that the entire basis of these decisions is marketing and profit.
+1
I do forsee 800 becoming the 400 of today however. Manufactureres seem to have no problem with offering it vastly over 800 (which from another viewpoint, it works great, so why bother)
Either way its an exciting time in tech!![]()
This kind of confused me when you say 'it' do you mean FW400? if so yeah with USB 2.0 having a max of 480 Mbps and FW400 a max of 400 Mbps but ending up being slightly faster than USB due to sustained transfer rates then it's not a bad thing to have, but when USB 3.0 is released it will be substantially slower than USB, and use a different connection than the majority of FW (800, 1600, 3200), so it will die out after that for sure.
Sorry about that, yes by "it" i meant 400.
Dont forget that 3.0 will face the same adoption problems that 800 has, but it will get picked up much faster because most people know what usb is.
That's my point. I have explained it numerous times: It is not marketing-driven as that notion was/is based on speculation on Macrumors and other Mac-sites, not from Apple's marketing department. There's a huge difference.
You say that we go in circles, and then you repeat what you said earlier?
![]()
Well I've never needed panties before, doesn't mean that no one does. All people are wanting is options, having the option to use FW doesn't hurt any consumer.
No, most companies don't. Hence it is naught but pure speculation from non-Apple people that the nixing of firewire was due to them differentiating between pro and non-pro products. That speculation was put to shame the moment they introduced a Mac Mini with Firewire 800.You expect Apple's marketing department to just come out and say how they plan to manipulate the customer base? Companies don't work that way, in my experience.
Uh, yeah, that's what going in circles is all about.![]()
Response of the week!![]()
No, most companies don't. Hence it is naught but pure speculation from non-Apple people that the nixing of firewire was due to them differentiating between pro and non-pro products.
That speculation was put to shame the moment they introduced a Mac Mini with Firewire 800.
LOL, true. I just figured that when someone says "we're going in circles", it's because they want to break out from said circle or perhaps try something different.![]()
Well of course they're not going to publicly announce "we removed Firewire from the Macbook because by doing that we hope that customers who require it will be forced to buy the Macbook Pro, resulting in more profit for us." But some things are obvious from common sense. As Jerry Seinfeld once said, "I live and breathe, my friend, I live and breathe."
Even if it is a marketing decision, that by no means it's based on what your marketing guess is – namely that it is to differentiate "Pro" products from non-pro products.That doesn't change anything about the MB/MBP. Those are in a different market, competing with each other. Keeping FW on the mini only reinforces the fact that removing it from the MB was a decision on how the MB and MBP would be marketed, not a technical decision, and nothing to do with FW being a "pro" feature.
I'd be happy to break out from this circle. All it would take would be for you to admit the logic of my position.No? Oh well, it was worth a try.
![]()
Why why why why WHY doesn't this thread just DIE already? It has already been decided: MMS and copy and paste on the iPhone is a sign of what's next: FireWire on the next revision of MacBooks.* So just be patient everyone...and for God's sake quit whining!!!
*Next revision will also feature dedicated graphics cards.
So just be patient everyone...and for God's sake quit whining!!!![]()
Why why why why WHY doesn't this thread just DIE already? It has already been decided: MMS and copy and paste on the iPhone is a sign of what's next: FireWire on the next revision of MacBooks.* So just be patient everyone...and for God's sake quit whining!!!![]()
I know that this pisses the hell out of a lot of people...but as a college student all i use my MacBook for is papers and surfing. But, i could see if i owned a device that used firewire and a MacBook that didn't there would be problems.
You cannot simply ignore how a consumer product equipped with FW800 utterly invalidate your premise. Yes, your logic is fine, until you notice that there is Mac Mini with FW800.