Are you drunk? All the Motu products are firewire except for one of their low-end mixers. And this one low-end mixer that has USB2, they market it heavily as a stand-alone device "no computer required".
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Steve Jobs on Lack of Firewire in MacBooks
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This is why Brand 'names' market lower spec stuff under a different brand. MOTU probably made the USB mixer for MacBook users who'd been screwed by Apple, anyway. I suppose there's Windows notebooks trying to do music record, record, record, blue screen, record, record, record, blue screen
Now there's SD card slots, there goes Steve's FlashCam argument. And the purpose for this thread. Viva la FireWire !
He must be talking about the 828 MKII with USB, whichto all intents was MOTUs first attempt at a USB2 audio interface a few years ago.... Well they didn't sell as well as the firewire model, and I've heard that they were no where near as stable or solid, hence the MKIII being firewire only again, they probably had a shed load left unsold which may be why they still offer it, it had nothing to do with the macbook loosing firewire, but once that happened they changed their marketing to say "Hey we work on the Unibody Macbook" whilst, I guess, trying to get rid of them
P.S. Kudos to the thread that never died, and to think that Steve Jobs (or more likely the lackey who's employed to answer his spam) sent me the same email word for word
Was at the Apple Store today and the new MacBooks are in...
Nice to see FW back in their complete line of computers.
(I think the Apple Engineers and Steve Jobs, trying out USB 3.0 in their labs, figured out how whimpy USB really is...)
The world is now a better place...
Nice to see FW back in their complete line of computers.
(I think the Apple Engineers and Steve Jobs, trying out USB 3.0 in their labs, figured out how whimpy USB really is...
)The world is now a better place...
Hey c'mon, pointing out he was wrong got old pages ago (especially about 10 minutes after the announcement when the first guy did it). Apple is usually fairly stubborn so I wouldn't have been surprised if FW didn't come back. They are now trying less to push 13" buyers to 15" and now trying to push 15" to 17" for those that need ExpressCard or Matte screens.
IMHO, anyone who makes a bombastic claim and justifies it with "Apple would never do this" deserves to be dinged when "Apple does that".
I agree.
What can I say? Mea culpa. But as I said, I'm very happy to see the return of Firewire. I hope it stays until I'm ready to upgrade when we see Nehalems in the Macbooks.
No need to in this case. Sometimes it's good for the soul to do some research before posting a question.The non-replaceable batter allows for longer battery life -- which is great for a laptop.
How would adding 4 screws and a panel lower the battery life?
IMHO, it was obvious that NoSmokingBandit chose not to complete any research before posting his question. If he had, he would have found out that having a removable battery is more than just adding 4 screws and a panel.
TuffLuffJimmy decided to answer with this:
For fun, compare the inside of the MB13 and now the MBP13. A bigger battery volume -- even a little bit -- equals more energy storage which equals more time.
if firewire is something you need, for HD movies and such, you can still get a computer that will run just as well as the new ones that will have a FW port.
https://www.springboardstore.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=2
if new and improved doesn't get you what you want, buy a computer that does. i mean, that only makes sense right?
https://www.springboardstore.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=2
if new and improved doesn't get you what you want, buy a computer that does. i mean, that only makes sense right?
? re: new Macbook Pro 13" Firewire chipset
sorry if already covered, I did search, but would like to know for sure as I need Texas Instrument firewire chipset for audio on the new macbook pro 13":
What is the brand of the Firewire chipset in the new (06/09) 13" Macbook Pro?
Thank you.
sorry if already covered, I did search, but would like to know for sure as I need Texas Instrument firewire chipset for audio on the new macbook pro 13":
What is the brand of the Firewire chipset in the new (06/09) 13" Macbook Pro?
Thank you.
Very important question - Have you tried asking the iFixit guys? They've had it apart and should be able to tell what firewire chips are used.
Fee free to report back here if you get an answer.
Unfortunately, if Apple's going to cut corners, it will be in the 13" (and 15" apparently). The 17" is the safest bet ($$igh), but I've seen reports as far back as 2007 of DAW problems with TI chips in MacBook Pros, so you'll have to chase for updated drivers if you want the best chance of something working. Does your manufacturer keep up with drivers for new Macs?
You'll notice that the MacBook on apple.com has FireWire, has always had FireWire, and the MacBook Pro has also always had FireWire.
Also, anyone who says otherwise is an unperson.
Shall do, thanks!
edit: I posted the question at their page. http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-13-Inch-Unibody/814/1#c2278
yea, at least it lives on in the desktop machines... but a lot of professionals these days like to have the power and ability to work mobile, and Firewire is definitely a handy tool.
Jimmy wasnt very specific there. Vague references like "better" and "safer" and "include more parts" dont really explain. I googled and nobody seems to come up with anything specific, just bland terms like "better.
Why is it so damn difficult for someone to explain this?
I wouldn't hold my breath on it being a TI chipset, Apple seems to like the Agere/Lucant chipsets in the notebooks these days, even though some swear it's a POS. Reasons I'm guessing (or so I've heard) would be that it's a smaller chipset which'll fit nicer in their anemic line up, and of course it's cheaper
But here's hoping they've gone with the TI, after all they've made other changes without letting people know **cough SATA cough** but the less I speak of that the better
Firewire
Found another use for firewire on a laptop...
when I couldn't find my standard USB ipod cable tonight I dug out an old one which originally came with a griffin charger. It has firewire at one end and the normal ipod connector at the other. I knew it could be used for charging but wasn't sure if it would sync files - turns out it would with my old ipod photo but not with a newer nano. I recall a few years ago installing OSX on the ipod as a back up for booting up in target mode but dont recall ever using this cable for synching. It's worth hanging on to these old ipods. (and cables!)
Found another use for firewire on a laptop...
when I couldn't find my standard USB ipod cable tonight I dug out an old one which originally came with a griffin charger. It has firewire at one end and the normal ipod connector at the other. I knew it could be used for charging but wasn't sure if it would sync files - turns out it would with my old ipod photo but not with a newer nano. I recall a few years ago installing OSX on the ipod as a back up for booting up in target mode but dont recall ever using this cable for synching. It's worth hanging on to these old ipods. (and cables!)
I have a friend with (coincidentally) an iPod Photo with battery in such poor condition it can only be kept alive by a FireWire cable (12V), as USB (5V) just doesn't provide sufficient power. What's disturbing is Apple dropping FireWire, which was very quick to sync and a major selling point of the original iPod. As iPod and iPhone capacities increase, we'll be wishing we had FireWire back again.
Apple seems to have learned their lesson on MacBooks (or have they?). One FireWire port is the minimum, but who wants the minimum from Apple? For example, a musician might want a FireWire interface and a fast FireWire hard drive to capture the recordings. This works much better with 2 FireWire ports than chaining the interface and the hard drive (the less hubs the better).
Dropping FireWire from iMacs is the next worry. The latest rev went from 2 FireWire ports down to 1. Even on my modest setup, I really need 3 FireWire ports and struggle with 2 (plugging & unplugging on a daily basis). One FireWire just wouldn't be suitable and concerns me what will be left in the way of interfaces on my next iMac.
I'm sure the next rev of iMacs will be quad cores (or i7s?) and FW 1600 and 3200, won't they Apple?
You'll notice that the MacBook on apple.com has FireWire, has always had FireWire, and the MacBook Pro has also always had FireWire.
Also, anyone who says otherwise is an unperson.
It's a shame so few will get that reference