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Steve Jobs on Lack of Firewire in MacBooks
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The reality distortion field that surrounds Steve has finally included him in it effects.
Sorry Steve, but the news flash is that those new "HD" camcorders use an inferior CODEC (AVCHD) whether shooting as HD or SD. HDV and especially DVCPROHD are significantly better (and DVCPRO HD is easier to edit) than AVCHD, and DV is even more significantly better than AVCHD or MP1.
HDV, DVCPRO HD, and DV all need firewire for capture; and editing any of them (especially if they get converted to AIC, 100mbs) need faster, streaming hard drives: USB2 doesn't cut it.
So, I guess if I want to edit on an inexpensive laptop, I'll get Dell and Vegas.
Eddie O
I'm getting deja vu flashing back to the "no PPC support in Snow Leopard" p*ssing contest.
I was a bit disturbed at the giant "Why Is Your Stomach Fat?" banner under my signature though.
Wow, P2, XDCAM. Certainly a MacBook consumer.
Point taken, but I did include the SD9, which is a great little thing and a proper consumemr cam. I used the higher end formats as other people were invoking DVX100's and the like.
The point I was making (badly), is that people are wrong to use video as the main reason for including FW on the MB. The audio guys have it far worse; I didn't chime in as audio is not my area.
It's not wrong. There are millions of consumers out there with perfectly good miniDV cameras. You can't say one group or the other is more important.
Yes the newest cameras are starting to use Flash Memory but this still doesn't solve the edit hard drive issue. I'm just glad I bought the previous generation Macbook because if Apple gets rid of Firewire they are killing the Mac as a low cost edit option. :mad:[/QUOTE said:
well my external HDs still use it!
This is seriously a deal breaker for me!
Apple line up just isn't doing it for me currently.
This is seriously a deal breaker for me!
Apple line up just isn't doing it for me currently.
Thanks for the concise desc of camcorders. But the fact is apple knew all that. Apple knows more about video/camcorder/formats than us. This whole 'video can be downloaded via usb' is just FUD. The real reason they dropped FW from macbook is to force people to buy MBP. Video story is just a lame excuse, bordering on a lie.
Never thought I'd accuse apple of spreading FUD...
Those are at the top end price wise of the prosumer market and, as of yet, don't have a large percentage of the market. They are the exception, not the rule. Go to B7H Photo-Video (The largest online camera retailer) and under prosumer cameras you will see that every one of them uses firewire. Even the HD models. I wouldn't be trying to use that stuff on a MB, or even a MBP Those Sony and Panasoninc models require a workhorse desktop editing system, and I suspect you're aware of that. But even if those were what everyone was buying, there are still millions of DV firewire cameras being used by consumers and professionals.
Once again, setting up a straw man argument.
What about gloss glass?
A bit off topic maybe.. But havent anyone got a response on the glossy glass only issue? For me that one is more important. After all, there is an option for those who wants firewire: buy the old mp or the new mbp.
A bit off topic maybe.. But havent anyone got a response on the glossy glass only issue? For me that one is more important. After all, there is an option for those who wants firewire: buy the old mp or the new mbp.
Either Apple didn't do their homework on this one or they are blatantly lying in their excuse. Either way, it's a disappointment.
Firewire 800 is *becoming* the standard for hard drive transfer.
However, Firewire 400 is the standard for video/audio transfer from cameras.
The problem here is Apple computers are supposed to be multi-media. That's the whole bloody point! It's how they are marketed and how they've been designed (thus far).A computer should never dictate your workflow.
The whole thing is very un-Apple like!
Firewire 800 is *becoming* the standard for hard drive transfer.
However, Firewire 400 is the standard for video/audio transfer from cameras.
The problem here is Apple computers are supposed to be multi-media. That's the whole bloody point! It's how they are marketed and how they've been designed (thus far).A computer should never dictate your workflow.
The whole thing is very un-Apple like!
Fw
I am bewildered as to why apple droopped FW on its new macbooks. I use it all the time for DV cameras and target disk mode. Its not like it would have bene that expensive to add it. I just bought a THREE PORT FW 800 card for my PC for $15! Come on apple enough of the anti-fw propaganda and give the sonsumer what they want.
(ill still probably by a new macbook, but i wont be happy about it)
I am bewildered as to why apple droopped FW on its new macbooks. I use it all the time for DV cameras and target disk mode. Its not like it would have bene that expensive to add it. I just bought a THREE PORT FW 800 card for my PC for $15! Come on apple enough of the anti-fw propaganda and give the sonsumer what they want.
(ill still probably by a new macbook, but i wont be happy about it)
If FireWire is such a dying technology, then wouldt apple have left the FireWire on the lower "consumer" macbooks instead of the "professional" line of MacBooks ?
I think this was done soley for the sake of preventing the pro line from being canabolized.
I think this was done soley for the sake of preventing the pro line from being canabolized.
The reason for no-fw.
- "Whats most important on the design of the new portable macs?"
- "That it looks the same as the iPhone and the iMacs, off course!"
- "How do we do that?"
- "Simple, just add a glass plate on top of the screen, black border and so on.."
- "Niiiice.. Shiny! People like that! But whait, then we can't provide anti-glare coating as an option for the pros.. How do we differentiate the pro model from the mb?"
- "Hm.. Remove firewire from mb?"
- "Good thinking! Do it."
- "Whats most important on the design of the new portable macs?"
- "That it looks the same as the iPhone and the iMacs, off course!"
- "How do we do that?"
- "Simple, just add a glass plate on top of the screen, black border and so on.."
- "Niiiice.. Shiny! People like that! But whait, then we can't provide anti-glare coating as an option for the pros.. How do we differentiate the pro model from the mb?"
- "Hm.. Remove firewire from mb?"
- "Good thinking! Do it."
Oh, and here's the original article:
Did Jobs Claim All New HD Camcorders Use USB? I Beg to Differ
Great, now Jobs is going to buy Ziff Davis just so he can fire that guy.
Jobs is as honest about firewire as he is his health.
Apple purportedly censoring their forums
From the MacInTouch Readers Reports
ComputerWorld had mentioned the Firewire thread at Apple's forums in one of their articles printed yesterday.
From the MacInTouch Readers Reports
ComputerWorld had mentioned the Firewire thread at Apple's forums in one of their articles printed yesterday.
Lately, it seems like the only way to get Apple to budge on anything is to give it bad press. Apple is so frickin' concerned about being green, Steve's suggestion that we go out and get USB devices and chuck our FireWire devices would be harmful to that "green" image wouldn't it?
