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Steve Jobs on WWDC Announcements: 'You Won't Be Disappointed'
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The other day, I recall someone suggesting that Apple invented the mouse.
Seriously, give it a few years, and fanboys will believe that Apple invented the telephone. Which, of course, they did. Alexander Graham Bell was such a poser.
I didn't say they invented it, I said they innovated with it and they did.
They are the first ones to use it in a mainstream consumer product and brought the mouse to the mainstream computer world. If you choose to argue differently you would just be wrong.
So before you go ignorantly bashing people and acting like you are some kind of anti-applefanboy crusader, please know what you are talking about.
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I'd be embarrassed to attach my name to that EMail
.As if Steve Jobs would reply any other way. Steve: "Hopefully you wont be disappointed, although the new iPhones already been leaked."
That is a comment of remarkable discernment. I do believe you are right in most of what you say.
However, I also think Google will reinvent story about itself, and leave a lot of its projects in the beta phases, and/or to fail at it.
And don't forget that more than Apple, in order to achieve such goal, Google has to deal with Microsoft. They are still in the dominant position. And even if on the USA, Macs are becoming more and more common, trust me: here in Europe, we are still some years behind on that matter.
Google has the weapon of "being open". However, don't you think that if such weapon was that good, Linux would have prevailed too? Of course, Linux is used a lot in some niches, but not on the majority of the cases, not by a long shot.
Google wants to succeed at everything. I feel that is a mistake, as it will just a matter of time until its failures become more public and known, as well as its privacy scandals. No matter how I am rooting for Android to push Apple against the ropes, I highly doubt they'll succeed.
Linux is extremely popular among servers and embedded devices. That is not "niche products".
I think the reasons that Linux hasn't prevailed on the desktop is first and foremost that the GUI kinda sucks. The majority of people working on Linux don't care about GUIs much. It's basically a lot of stuff lifted from other GUIs over the years and without any truly original ideas.
Then there is driver support issues and lack of any of the major companies supporting it on the desktop.
Anyway, Android will most likely dominate the iPhone in terms of quantity worldwide. Android is Linux.
According to Dictionary.com, "niche" is "a place or position suitable or appropriate for a person or thing". How doesn't that fit Linux?
I think another reason for that is because the common user doesn't really care about the immense possibilities Linux offers. And from the group of those who do, most of them don't know how to do that stuff either. So I think Android's success will be based off Google's ability to make Linux user-friendly to the common user.
This is ridiculous. Android is only popular because its one multiple carriers and it has multiple phones.
Google is winning my default not because they have the better OS. Obvioulsy, if you give away your OS, people will come to take it. But more importantly, iphone is only on ATT vs Andriod being on T-mobile, verizon and sprint.
If iphone was on those carriers, this wouldn't be a contest. It would be complete murder. The only reason major of the average consumer would pick an android over the iphone is because there is no iphone on their carrier. That's it.
They won't go and change carriers to crappy att. In fact, i just went into verizon to look at the incredible and overheard someone asking about the iphone on verizon. I went again, the following day to another store and the same question came up. The verizon guys are annoyed with having the keep answering that question.
Let's face it. There are only a handful of techies that really enjoy the Android better than the iphone regardless of the carrier. As for everyone else, Android is like ice cream. You are having it for the first time and of course you are like ZOMG@!!!!!! I LUV IT!!!!!!! BBBBBBBQQQQQQQQ.
But iphone users have eating ice cream for 3 years. and even though we might not have as much flavors. Its better quality and it tastes a lot better. It just comes in a crappier cone.
Here's something: ATT's quarterly report: +8M iphone sold.
8M/(120 days) = 67,000 iphone sold per day.
Android says they sell about 65,000 per day.
Iphone is only on ATT. Android is on Verizon, T-mobile, Sprint.
END OF STORY.
Google is winning my default not because they have the better OS. Obvioulsy, if you give away your OS, people will come to take it. But more importantly, iphone is only on ATT vs Andriod being on T-mobile, verizon and sprint.
If iphone was on those carriers, this wouldn't be a contest. It would be complete murder. The only reason major of the average consumer would pick an android over the iphone is because there is no iphone on their carrier. That's it.
They won't go and change carriers to crappy att. In fact, i just went into verizon to look at the incredible and overheard someone asking about the iphone on verizon. I went again, the following day to another store and the same question came up. The verizon guys are annoyed with having the keep answering that question.
Let's face it. There are only a handful of techies that really enjoy the Android better than the iphone regardless of the carrier. As for everyone else, Android is like ice cream. You are having it for the first time and of course you are like ZOMG@!!!!!! I LUV IT!!!!!!! BBBBBBBQQQQQQQQ.
But iphone users have eating ice cream for 3 years. and even though we might not have as much flavors. Its better quality and it tastes a lot better. It just comes in a crappier cone.
Here's something: ATT's quarterly report: +8M iphone sold.
8M/(120 days) = 67,000 iphone sold per day.
Android says they sell about 65,000 per day.
Iphone is only on ATT. Android is on Verizon, T-mobile, Sprint.
END OF STORY.
Agreed. I've had this before too, and they want to or feel the need to swear about someone or some issue but I never go into it with them.
It doesn't. Your definition is pretty strange though, I get something very different on dictionary.com. In this context, niche means a small, specialized market.
I agree somewhat. It doesn't have to be Google. It can be any company, even Apple (fat chance). They can use this product in their own stuff, they can sell it to others, or they can give it back to Google open source. There aren't really that many restrictions.
Haven't you picked a hole in your own argument there. If you can get feature complete Android, and I'd throw in Symbian phones, for £100, why on earth would you buy an iPhone?
Riiiight. Google are terrible at cloud services, Nokia's Ovi services don't exist and MobileMe is a shining star in the interweb's firmament.
Come on. Apple aren't a services company and their iDevice integration is laughable, bodging everything through iTunes and a USB cable when everybody else does wireless updates. I can't remember the last time I plugged a USB cable into my Nokia to sync or update. Even my Nokia has wireless iTunes syncing!
If Apple announce HALF of Googles/Ovi's services at WWDC, add wireless syncing, ditch the stupid iPad file sharing and free push email I'll be more than impressed. I suspect they won't though. Again, they'll move at glacial pace. The only thing moving slower is Symbian's UI team.
WinMo is in a bad place (Hurrah!). HTC used to make most of the WinMo phones but why on earth would they when they've got Android for free? Plus pre-announcing WP7 - FAIL!
I think we'll see a lot more Symbian phones too. You're suggesting Android for the low end but Symbian slots in a lot lower than Android due to it's much more efficient OS.
Oh, the irony!
I think his point is that Apple's attention to detail is legendary, and that Apple would always make a more polished product.
On the other hand, Apple is controlling in the extreme, and developers might want to go to a platform where they are free to license a 3D engine even though it isn't made by Apple.
If that were true, everybody would be writing Symbian apps.
The iPhone does well for apps because it's really easy, comparatively, to get an app to market. Easy to write, easy to market.
This...coming from the same guy who said.."not to worry" about lack of investment in the Mac platform and "we'll be taking Macs to a whole new level"... we all know how that turned out.
Indeed, or that the iPad was good.
It's not like he was going to say "to be honest, after the 4th Gen iPhone leaks, we've got nothing you've not already seen."
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Even if the definition does not match yours (IMO the definition is exactly the same thing, if you apply it to the tech context), how isn't Linux for a small, specialized market? Do you see it public that much?
I agree with you somewhat, but either way, that's how business is done. The iPhone made strides back in 2007 because of it's UI and nothing else. It was the most crippled smartphone on the market and people flocked to it in droves. The Palm Treo circa 2003 had more features including wireless syncing of media and info (something the iPhone still doesn't have now) and people LOVED IT.
Android being on multiple carriers, and being the only OS to actually compete with Apple is just good business sense, and as you say (and I agree with) Apple needs to follow suit.
Many a geek warned many an iPhone fanboy of this day, when the iPhone would lose BOTH the UI and app store advantage to a phone platform on multiple carriers.
It's not really my definition. I don't know where you got your definition but it wasn't dictionary.com as you claimed. Why lie?
Neither the server market nor the embedded devices market are small. In fact, they are very very large. Linux is not a niche product. Deal.
Phone Company
Can we please have some real computer hardware instead of little devices with small screens or are apple just turning into a phone company first - Computer company second.... Boring.
Dont get me wrong ipnones and ipads are fun and can be useful in certain situations but they're way WAY WAAAY overpriced.
Can we please have some real computer hardware instead of little devices with small screens or are apple just turning into a phone company first - Computer company second.... Boring.
Dont get me wrong ipnones and ipads are fun and can be useful in certain situations but they're way WAY WAAAY overpriced.
True but I think the other guys get that now. My point therefore stands - if you can get an Android/Symbian smartphone for £100, why spend more. Apple needs to add services, especially as Android/Symbian phones usually come with services.
I think Apple will continue to rule for games. It's the other apps that developers wonder why they have to jump through Apple's hoops and still have their app rejected.
Your info is a bit outdated. That was before the European launch of the new HTC devices (Legend and Desire). It's now more than 100.000 per day according to the Google I/O keynote, and almost 10 million devices per quarter.
And in June with the low end HTC Wildfire launch it'll be proabably about 125.000 to 150.000 per day.
Also it now got reported that the HTC Salsa will be available in August with 4.3" 960x480 display, 1.5GHz, 768 MB RAM, 8MP camera (1080i recording), HDMI output and Android 2.2.
For the same reason people buy macs instead of PCs. They like the polish and the UI, and as far as I know, Android isn't there yet in this respect.
Game developers like tools. Tools not made by Apple are not welcome on the iPhone platform. Tool developers go elsewhere. Game developers go elsewhere. Especially if they can reach more customers that way.
Case in point: Unity is a very popular 3D engine for iPhone and have been used in some of the best selling games on the platform. The iPhone OS 4 SDK license may or may not ban it. Nobody knows so Unity have tried for weeks to get Apple to comment on the situation with no succes. As a result, most of the investments that Unity and their customers have made are up in the air. If you check out http://blogs.unity3d.com/2010/05/11/unity-and-the-iphone-os-4-0-update-ii/ , you'll notice this quote in the comments from a QA engineer at Unity:
"Rest assured, we are feeding you the information as we get it. Keeping vital information about one of our active target platforms from our customers would not make any sense for anyone. When we know more, you will know.
Trust me, we are aware how much this situation sucks for you guys – being unable to send a more clear message is very frustrating for us."
Now, compare that to http://blogs.unity3d.com/2010/05/19/google-android-and-the-future-of-games-on-the-web/
I think it's pretty clear what Unity will be forced to do if Apple keeps refusing to inform them of their status.
Why is it that everyone that e-mails Steve Jobs is compelled to use foul language? They are generally idiotic and offensive on top of that.
Dear Steve,
What the !@#$!@# do you think you are doing? I'm a @#!$@%%, !$@$%# stockholder and it looks like %^%@$%^! Google is now way more the $#!#$! than you these days.
Sincerely,
$%!@#$@%#% the %^&@%^&@%&
I guess he feels compelled to respond, but I don't know why.
Dear Steve,
What the !@#$!@# do you think you are doing? I'm a @#!$@%%, !$@$%# stockholder and it looks like %^%@$%^! Google is now way more the $#!#$! than you these days.
Sincerely,
$%!@#$@%#% the %^&@%^&@%&
I guess he feels compelled to respond, but I don't know why.
Your calculations are off.
The "8 million" iPhones was worldwide sales, not just on ATT, who reported activating 2.7 million iPhones, of which perhaps a quarter were hand me downs.
My point is that despite the location this is the Worldwide Developers Conference.
A carrier announcement may well be made but in the grand scheme of things a developers conference is about hardware and software.
The carrier should be irrelevant to the conversation because the device should operate the same (within reason) regardless of carrier or location.
Any carrier announcement should be made the same way they are anywhere else in the world. By making a country specific announcement - not during the keynote of an event which people are paying $1600 to attend.
Especially when many of those people are travelling from overseas (hence the WW part of the WWDC) and the US carrier(s) of the iPhone are an irrelevance to.