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Steve Jobs Once Considered Killing Apple's Pro Products

ZackaryVS said:
Apple was never really good for the pro market anyways because of the larger variety of software and choice with a regular (Windows) computer. In my opinion, Apple is only good for consumer devices like iPods, iPads, and laptops. People that are pros know what they are getting and it makes more sense to get a PC or build your own because you can get a way faster computer for a lot cheaper and maybe even nicer looking with extra functionality. I built my own gaming rig and it cost me $1200 and is faster compared to even a $2500 customized iMac. So really Windows is for power users, Mac is for simplicity (and for the dummies, i.e. computer illiterates) and syncing the iDevices with iTunes, etc.
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Accept Windows is a basket case of an OS that bogs down under use and gets slower and slower until you defrag, attack spyware, reinstall, etc.

Mac OS X is by far the most advanced UNIX variant on the planet meanwhile and you can't compare the user interface to Windows for usability when, say, running a bunch of design programmes side-by-side.

If you really can't stomach Apple specs/prices, buy most of the recent Gigabyte motherboards and a Hackintosh can be 99% as solid as a Mac these days.

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LaDirection said:
"Final Cut video editing suite, slashing the price and making it significantly simpler to use pro features..."

AHAHAHAHAHAH

Reality check: Apple removed ALL but a few pro features and destroyed Final Cut Pro, making it unusable for any professional application.
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Are you suggesting no one is using Final Cut X for any professional application? No production houses, no TV shows, no online video production, not even a basic corporate video? I think you need to use Google.
 
we should probably leave the discussion of the benefits of lack of, of the new MP in the MP section. The same people are in essence saying the same things to each other. The MP os not the only "pro" computer in Apples line.
 
ChrisA said:
I'd say the ONLY reason to buy a Mac at all is because there is soe software that only runs on Macs, like Logic, Final Cut and so on. If they kill of that what is the point of a Mac. Just and expensive way to run a web browser. I'd buy a Google Chrome book.
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Not in a personal way, but I would somewhat lose all respect for someone professionally who walks around with a Chrome book. It's just a web browser, and while it may be built well, don't even get me start on that Chromebook Pixel....

Also, will people PLEASE stop thinking the only pros using macs are video editors, music editors, and people using photoshop?

I have been doing engineering work this summer(I am an engineering student) and AutoCAD for Mac 2013 is a dream on my iMac and MBP. Better than any windows PC I've had. A Mac is a full OS, not a web browser like the Chromebook. There are other things productive that can be done beside Logic and Final Cut. Please.
 
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Looks like a D Link

Looks almost exactly like my round/tall D-Link router. They've made those for a quite while now, Apple should be sued for copying D-Link's design.. lmao.
 
ZackaryVS said:
Apple was never really good for the pro market anyways because of the larger variety of software and choice with a regular (Windows) computer. In my opinion, Apple is only good for consumer devices like iPods, iPads, and laptops. People that are pros know what they are getting and it makes more sense to get a PC or build your own because you can get a way faster computer for a lot cheaper and maybe even nicer looking with extra functionality. I built my own gaming rig and it cost me $1200 and is faster compared to even a $2500 customized iMac. So really Windows is for power users, Mac is for simplicity (and for the dummies, i.e. computer illiterates) and syncing the iDevices with iTunes, etc.
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Its always cheaper to build your own as there is no overhead vs a name brand OEM PC. You don't have labor, storage & shipping costs. Apples to oranges.

Professionals are more often looking for support as they are more concerned with making money then repairing their own computer if something goes wrong. If something goes wrong, you have to fix it yourself. In business, time is money and you can't make money spent on computer downtime.

Since you use yours for gaming and not running a business to support yourself in a professional capacity, I do not see the similarities you're trying to imply.
 
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Steve vision is understandable. Pro is a waste of time and money. Upgradable Machines and compatible products are good for third parties but no good for Apple, so getting rid of it make a lot of sense business wise. I stop using Pro devices once I realized my Mac Mini was more powerful than my PowerMac G5 and my iPad was more powerful than my PowerBook G4, machines that I upgraded myself and were running Mac OS Leopard with a smile. Between iFixit.com and Macsales.com every Mac Pro can be set to your needs in no time! Even buying an old one at Lowendmac.com

So, The New Mac Pro will be a monster. I hope the pricetag wont push me to buy a new Mac Mini Instead.
 
the8thark said:
People thought removing the floppy drives from computers was blasphemy. But years later people are glad it happened. I think it's the same with the MP design. People are so used to pro machines in ugly rectangle boxes, a cylinder just blows their mind, they can't understand how it's even good hence they hate it.
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That's BS. The people who legitimately need the power of these machines couldn't care less how it looks on the outside as long as it's the best tool for the job.
 
ChrisA said:
I'd say the ONLY reason to buy a Mac at all is because there is soe software that only runs on Macs, like Logic, Final Cut and so on. If they kill of that what is the point of a Mac. Just and expensive way to run a web browser. I'd buy a Google Chrome book.
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Yeah sure if all you do is run a web browser.
 
jyen said:
Yes, sometimes the option is to kill off a product segment. Apple's done that many times--it's what the analysts refer to as cannibalization.
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That's not cannibalization.

Cannibalization is when you create a product category and let it eat sales from another.... such as the iPad is doing to mac sales.

If you kill a product category off, you can't cannibalize it. There's nothing left to cannibalize.

In the case of "if Apple had killed the pro market" they would not see many of those customers going to a consumer device like an iMac, but to a competing platform. That's called suicide. Between pro apps and hardware, while a small category, it's still a good category when you've got two feet in.

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I WAS the one said:
Steve vision is understandable. Pro is a waste of time and money. Upgradable Machines and compatible products are good for third parties but no good for Apple, so getting rid of it make a lot of sense business wise. I stop using Pro devices once I realized my Mac Mini was more powerful than my PowerMac G5 and my iPad was more powerful than my PowerBook G4, machines that I upgraded myself and were running Mac OS Leopard with a smile. Between iFixit.com and Macsales.com every Mac Pro can be set to your needs in no time! Even buying an old one at Lowendmac.com

So, The New Mac Pro will be a monster. I hope the pricetag wont push me to buy a new Mac Mini Instead.
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Wait.... did you seriously just compare tech that is 5 years old (or more) to an iPad that is current tech? Not to mention the Power PC architechture was so different, you CANNOT COMPARE THAT TO INTEL AND ARM! A power pc could in theroy out perform an intel box that spec wise was almost twice as fast.... but real time tests the power pc kicked in the intel boxes butt (for a time until power pc maxed itself out in development and apple made the switch)

My smart phone is also more powerful than the windows laptop I owned in 2003.... but it also runs a totally different os and isn't running a million processes

Wow.... just wow....
 
I feel like there is more to the story than we are hearing. Maybe he wanted to move away from the title of Pro products to continue with the philosophy that everything should be simply enough so that anyone can use the product. Then again I am just spouting out some random ideas lol. :eek:
 
anthony11 said:
With no internal storage, I can't, because it isn't.
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I admit having no experience with Thunderbolt peripherals, but if, as we're told, external storage can be just as quickly accessed via Thunderbolt as internal, what difference does it make?
 
He may even want to see the current generation scrapped.

I can hear the outburst from car phone conversation in the Whole Foods parking lot now:

"No. Freaking. Mister. Fusion."
 
inkswamp said:
I admit having no experience with Thunderbolt peripherals, but if, as we're told, external storage can be just as quickly accessed via Thunderbolt as internal, what difference does it make?
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This fast SSD cannot be used with the MMP (Mini Mac Pro).

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Fusion-io/F050021T65/

External storage also has more cables and failure points, compared to internal drives connected to the mobo and ps.
 
Of course, its ok to mention the "trashcan" again, but there is no news on the horizon of either availability or pricing. It won't be announced this year, i can tell you that.
 
AidenShaw said:
This fast SSD cannot be used with the MMP (Mini Mac Pro).

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Fusion-io/F050021T65/

External storage also has more cables and failure points, compared to internal drives connected to the mobo and ps.
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Sure, as does any cabled system.

On the other hand, it's a lot easier to set up ad hoc systems in the field with TB for MBP and the (previewed) Mac Pro than it would be otherwise, and frankly, lugging around a (previewed) Mac Pro isn't going to be much of a chore. This would have appeal to some if not many Pro users.

It's just tradeoffs. If people can't live with it, then there are plenty of Windows and Linux options elsewhere.

Oh, and as for the Fusion-io, nope, not going to happen for (previewed) Mac Pro, and certainly not for the MBP, but is there is a demand for a TB2 version, OWC will provide it, and that will certainly work with any TB machine.
 
TMay said:
On the other hand, it's a lot easier to set up ad hoc systems in the field with TB for MBP and the (previewed) Mac Pro than it would be otherwise, and frankly, lugging around a (previewed) Mac Pro isn't going to be much of a chore. This would have appeal to some if not many Pro users.
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that's the thing @tmay
you say that but too many people think "oh, that's not how i work therefore nobody works that way"..

i don't take a macpro in the field per_se (i have flown with one a few times for work related reasons tho) but i always have a laptop on site with me.. but that laptop is generally in tune with the macpro.. i really don't think it's too uncommon for a macpro owner to also have a mbp (in fact, i think the majority of working pros have that type of setup [edit-the ones that own a macpro]).. i feel i've outlined a number of times already how the smaller mac pro and shared storage (and even how a single style connector to replace all the different styles) will benefit and improve my day-to-day workflow..

i mean, i sort of feel like the designers made a lot of changes which were geared directly at me.. but the reality is that it's not geared at me-- it's just more customizable which makes it easier for someone to suit it to their needs.. as in, it's only a 'work station' if you want it to be or need it to be.. but it doesn't have to be.. lots of people (and hey, i may be biased because my neighborhood isn't necessarily an example of standard working environments).. but lot's of people(most?) are working in ways where a 'work station' isnt what they need.. they need the power, sure.. but they also need it to be something other than an all-in-one box configuration.. their work station happens beyond their computer chair
 
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Truffy said:
Any box will collect dust. But linking boxes adds external wires to the fun.
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i don't know what to tell you.. get a vacuum cleaner or one of the feathery dust things?

and this wires things is sort of nuts.. if you're not imac_ing and bluetoothing, you're going to have wires.. sometimes lots of them. you're a computer user

how many more thunderbolt cables will you need? i mean, i count 4.. 2 to displays 1 to a hard drive and 1 hanging out randomly to plug whatever (laptop/portable drive/etc) into..

right now i have the same amount (4) in the form of 2 dvi cables, a fw800 hanging out of the front and a usb in the front.. i just really don't get the whole 'cable clutter' madness.. it's as if people think "oh, thunderbolt.. i don't like it.. let me find some reasons why i don't" instead of working the problem in the other direction..
maybe you have a different situation which will outline this cable clutter you're talking about? (and don't post that stupid picture of the wireless macpro next to a bird's nest of components which nobody even knows what they are)

[edit- actually, if i go to thunderbolt, i'll need one less cable.. currently, i have a usb and a fw800 in my backpack.. along with a minidisplayport->dvi.. so i'll only need one cable now]
 
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