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Steve Jobs Organized Apple to Give Jony Ive Complete Operational Freedom
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Sorry, have to say this is pretty much ******** on Job's part. He's dead, he has no legal standing anymore regarding how Apple, a publicly traded company, operates. If the Apple Board wants Jony Ive gone, or instructs the CEO to produce a cheaper, plastic MacBook, that's the way it goes. I'm not saying that would be a good thing, or predicting it will happen, but the idea that Steve could make legally binding corporate decisions that hold forth after his death, that's just silly.
Absolutely.
I wound up putting my iPad 2, as sleek and sexy as it looks, into a bulky case with a rubber shell and a raised frame. It's much more comfortable to hold and actually use now. The sharpness of the edges used to dig into the grooves of my fingers while holding it to read. It no longer slips in my hands and is very grippable. I'm sure Steve and Jony would kill me. But it's much more pleasant to use now.
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Because details of the next iPhone are rumours as Apple haven't publicly revealed the details whereas the details of the book are fact as they've come people who've got preview copies (and/or interviewed the author) e.g. journalists.
Small White Car said:Wow at this rate I dont need to read the bloody book I've pre-ordered!
This isnt a rumour so stop putting this along with other bits from the book on the front page and ruining the book for people.
How is 'finding out what's in an unreleased iPhone' a rumor but 'finding out what's in an unreleased book' not a rumor?
Same stuff. We're all here because we want to be spoiled in this way.
Because details of the next iPhone are rumours as Apple haven't publicly revealed the details whereas the details of the book are fact as they've come people who've got preview copies (and/or interviewed the author) e.g. journalists.
Johnny Ive & apple I think need to be in the same category as Frank Lloyd Wright. Imagine what we HAVEN'T seen from this guy.
Great news for Apple fans who love the Apple design ways. love the minimalistic ideas of apple of late..."do we really need this?" an appealing products means you want to use it more.
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Magic and Mighty Mouse are very comfortable to me. I barely touch the mouse, use my arm muscles to lift my hand. I don't rest it on a mouse like someone lazy. A mouse that my hand conforms to is harder for me to easily use the mouse. the Puck mouse was not great design though.
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Magic and Mighty Mouse are very comfortable to me. I barely touch the mouse, use my arm muscles to lift my hand. I don't rest it on a mouse like someone lazy. A mouse that my hand conforms to is harder for me to easily use the mouse. the Puck mouse was not great design though.
I wouldn't take pronunciation lessons from someone who spells their name as if it rhymes with Tony.
Great... Now make an iMac where switching the HDD don't mean voiding AppleCare, removing the TFT and the glass front. Thanks.
Wow at this rate I dont need to read the bloody book I've pre-ordered!
This isnt a rumour so stop putting this along with other bits from the book on the front page and ruining the book for people.
Yup, this is a bit like film trailers which basically remove the need to see the film.
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I left one company years ago over not getting a position like Ives. Came in on a design post but they work suffered the "watering down" effect. The CEO insisted that everyone, even accounting had to have input to the design.
That put the product from cutting edge to mundane at best. Had one of those Last Lunches where the CEO said I upset too many people. I told her that she's letting those with little professional success influence the design. She them said, "I have to work with these people." My response was that she could fire half of them, contract out the work and we'd save money and be better off. That is where her personal and professional life overlapped and I became the messenger she shot. She had my final paycheck ready to hand to me at that lunch so I didn't reentering the building.
That afternoon, one of the employees that was on my side came by with all my personal stuff from my former office. Talked with this cute office manager for a while, had had happy hour drinks and made her breakfast the next morning. She quit a month later after I found her another job. Was engaged a year later but we broke it off before the date.
I left one company years ago over not getting a position like Ives. Came in on a design post but they work suffered the "watering down" effect. The CEO insisted that everyone, even accounting had to have input to the design.
That put the product from cutting edge to mundane at best. Had one of those Last Lunches where the CEO said I upset too many people. I told her that she's letting those with little professional success influence the design. She them said, "I have to work with these people." My response was that she could fire half of them, contract out the work and we'd save money and be better off. That is where her personal and professional life overlapped and I became the messenger she shot. She had my final paycheck ready to hand to me at that lunch so I didn't reentering the building.
That afternoon, one of the employees that was on my side came by with all my personal stuff from my former office. Talked with this cute office manager for a while, had had happy hour drinks and made her breakfast the next morning. She quit a month later after I found her another job. Was engaged a year later but we broke it off before the date.
I think it's just what you are used to. If you tend to rest your hand on your mouse, you'll have a problem with the Magic Mouse. I've used small "laptop" mice for years and got very used to resting my fingers on my desk *around* the mouse and only touching it when I need to move it, click it or scroll. This works beautifully with the M.M. I've used one day in and day out since it was released and think it's a beautiful and ergonomic piece of industrial design.
i would go one step further and say that his departure would be DISASTEROUS for Apple. when everyone was concerned about tim cook being able to maintain apple's dominance as CEO, I was concerned that they keep Ive around.
i;ve purposefully stayed away from all these snippets, just for that reason. i want the book to be a fresh read.
Steve Jobs has done something that is ten times more powerful than "legally binding corporate decisions": He has demonstrated what way of running Apple's business will turn a powerless, profitless company into the worlds most valuable company. It's easy to get around decisions of a dead man. It is very, very hard to change business away from something that created 80 billion dollars of profit.
If Apple changed in a way that a designer like Ive wouldn't be welcome or feel welcome there anymore, that would be disastrous. If he decides to retire, that would be unfortunate for Apple, but very good fortune for the world's second best designer, who might right now be working at Samsung and be very unhappy that he cannot do his own designs but has to copy Apple. That is something Apple would survive.
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Finding out whats on an unreleased iPhone is a rumour because there is never any solid confirmation on its validity. Functions and hardware rumoured may never actually make it into the final product. Take for instance the unreleased supposed teardrop iPhone which never came to be.
In the case of the book some people have got the actual book early and are releasing paragraphs and statements from the book itself. So these are solid facts from the book and are not rumoured stories.
Apple products' aesthetic appeal is just as important as it's functional abilities. I look at some of these other competitors' phones, tablets, and computers and I can't help but wonder WTF were people thinking when they bought those products.
It's kinda like picking a spouse. A great heart, soul, and mind are GREAT. But if you got the hot body to pair it up with, well, that's just pure gold and that's what Apple has going on with their products. I hope Ive remains for a VERY long time and continues designing awesome looking ****.
It's kinda like picking a spouse. A great heart, soul, and mind are GREAT. But if you got the hot body to pair it up with, well, that's just pure gold and that's what Apple has going on with their products. I hope Ive remains for a VERY long time and continues designing awesome looking ****.
This is a good thing. That means that we'll have aesthetically pleasing Apple products for at least another decade.
MAcs since 1984. As soon as Kensington launched the track ball (Basically an upside down mouse) I never looked back.
Hockeypuck a joke, the flat gray ones bad, white for the imac bad, magic mouse bad. etc.etc.
Wish Apple would make a trackpad with a ball in it like the DUO used to have or some MacBooks. Navigate with the ball, do the gestures thing on the pad area.
I don't think the public will have quite the idea of how different Apple is than other companies for quite awhile. The fact that Apple has started APPLE UNIVERSITYand went so far to hire the dean of Yale's School of Management should speak volumes about how serious Apple is about doing things Steve Jobs' way. Steve Jobs was without question Apple's leader, in every way. I'm sure they ran ideas past him and also would state their position on matters where there were differences of opinion. But ultimately, Steve did what he wanted. I'm sure we would all be astounded at how much information he left behind to talk about the things that he felt were important and how he wanted it all to play out. And for the things that couldn't be foreseen, he "set up" (in writing, certainly) the higher staff and what power they would yield. I'm certain also that they will all be working for Apple for the rest of their lives and will be mightily rewarded financially.
Yes, you can hope that things follow Steve's way. I'm certain that they will.
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Got to agree the iMac lacks some practicality in its design. The thing that bugs me is the location of all the ports on the back. OK for the video and Ethernet ports as they are connected permanently, but USB devices are largely transient so having the ports on the back is daft. I imagine a lot of iMacs being scratched to hell and back where people try plugging flash drives etc. in blind, or ruin the aesthetics of the design with a rats nest of cables dangling down - iPhone dock cable, camera cable etc. - or have a USB hub which makes the multiple USB ports redundant.
I understand not wanting to put them on the bezel where the Super Drive and SD card slits are but surely they could be side facing on the back set slightly behind the line of the bezel?
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Got to agree the iMac lacks some practicality in its design. The thing that bugs me is the location of all the ports on the back. OK for the video and Ethernet ports as they are connected permanently, but USB devices are largely transient so having the ports on the back is daft. I imagine a lot of iMacs being scratched to hell and back where people try plugging flash drives etc. in blind, or ruin the aesthetics of the design with a rats nest of cables dangling down - iPhone dock cable, camera cable etc. - or have a USB hub which makes the multiple USB ports redundant.
I understand not wanting to put them on the bezel where the Super Drive and SD card slits are but surely they could be side facing on the back set slightly behind the line of the bezel?
Oh I'm sure. I wouldn't mind seeing the different "versions" of products they come up with before the final is released.