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I think it's just what you are used to. If you tend to rest your hand on your mouse, you'll have a problem with the Magic Mouse. I've used small "laptop" mice for years and got very used to resting my fingers on my desk *around* the mouse and only touching it when I need to move it, click it or scroll. This works beautifully with the M.M. I've used one day in and day out since it was released and think it's a beautiful and ergonomic piece of industrial design.

Sorry but this is not correct.

It would be like me saying I can rest my hand on the table and with a light touch from my fingers I can slide something the same size and shape as a matchbox around the table with my finger tips.

This does not make a matchbox an ergonomic design.
The problem is, ergonomic designs, that are made to fit you hand, ideally in a comfortable relaxed state often don't look "Cool"

Matching the design of a device to the human form often means lumps and bumps and shapes that are superb to use, but we currently don't think they look very modern.

It's only a current style issue and as we know from looking at antiques, styles and what is liked or not changes over the years.
 
Wow at this rate I dont need to read the bloody book I've pre-ordered!

This isnt a rumour so stop putting this along with other bits from the book on the front page and ruining the book for people. :mad:

The sites strap line says NEWS and rumors you care about, guess this is news of sorts.......
 
Interesting comments being made about how Apple's VP's and CEO will function now Steve has gone. Let's not forget the current makeup is how it's been since before Steve had his Liver Transplant!

It's been working and long may it so...
 
RE : Forstall v. Ive. Somehow I don't think Forstall pushes Jon around as much as he does other people at Apple. I think Ives would just punch his lights out.
:D

Those two are probably the two that get along the best there.
 
Remember Steve Jobs' quote(It's actually Picasso's but he used it a lot)?

"Bad artists copy. Good artists steal."

And Steve called it stealing. That means he's jealous about Android. Steve seemed to be very selfish at times.

I actually find it ironic, I watched several youtube videos where Steve himself said that "Bad artists copy. Good artists steal." And now Android stole and he is angry? Well I guess besides being brilliant Steve is also a hypocrite.
Now let's watch all the fanbois giving me thumbs down.

Now before you do give me TD watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
 
Jobs clearly understands the evils of 'design-by-committee.'

The main point is that, thanks to Jobs's unique brilliance, he didn't have to "crowdsource" decisions as others normally do...he was THE source.

Hopefully Ive will remain as THE design source for Apple, with little to no interference from other departments...:rolleyes:
 
>cough<...hockey puck mouse...>cough<

Look I love Apple design and their products too....but "ergonomic" is NOT the correct term here. Since the iMac, the Apple mice have been ANYTHING but ergonomic. In fact, they've been very much anti-ergonomic. They've been design over form and fit. There is nothing about Apple mice that is ergonomic in the least.

Magic Mouse Fixed

I'm still glad Ive has free reign. I don't need to use Apple's mice to enjoy the rest of their great products.

Yup, I have to agree with you. The hardware often puts visual simplicity ahead of physical usability. Besides the well-known mouse issues, another example is the iMac ports and power buttons -- they're all on the back of the unit. Putting some or all of the ports/buttons on the front or side would make daily operations much easier... but it would be less sexy.
 
In well run organizations, the creative types are often separated from the other types as they need the autonomy to do their work. Also, the creatives often don't fit in with the more business focused/operations people -- both types can be an inhibition to each others work


I cannot +1 this enough! I am tired of us "artistic" and "creative" types being told we don't fit in with the corporate model. (Referring to an actual artistic role like design…not the artistic folks working a corporate role) Apple obviously knows how to incorporate both types successfully.
 
MAcs since 1984. As soon as Kensington launched the track ball (Basically an upside down mouse) I never looked back.

Hockeypuck a joke, the flat gray ones bad, white for the imac bad, magic mouse bad. etc.etc.

Wish Apple would make a trackpad with a ball in it like the DUO used to have or some MacBooks. Navigate with the ball, do the gestures thing on the pad area.

The Magic Mouse is the best mouse I've ever used, period. In fact, I've never seen any other minimalistic design with such amount of functionality available in a tiny, flawless surface.

You guys are probably like those who prefer to buy gigantic robot-like mice just because they have more buttons...no, thanks. :rolleyes:
 
I imagine a lot of iMacs being scratched to hell and back where people try plugging flash drives etc. in blind, or ruin the aesthetics of the design with a rats nest of cables dangling down - iPhone dock cable, camera cable etc. - or have a USB hub which makes the multiple USB ports redundant.


Better yet, come up with iOS 5, so that your devices can sync with your computer wirelessly.

THATS what good design is all about. Not mucking up the front of your computer with a bunch of ugly ports.
 
I cringe every time a client says "Let me show it around the office and get other people's input."

I don't have YouTube access here at work, but there was a pretty funny video from a few years back that described what an iPod box would look like if it was designed by Microsoft. It was pretty spot-on.
 
Like the wrist slicing edge to their unibody Macbook Pro! Honestly I LOVE their industrial design overall (I love shiny, pretty things) but there are issues.

That's there to constantly remind you that you're not supposed to put your wrists there, cuz that kind of posture causes carpal tunnel. :D
 
Good

Ive is a baller, and Apple needs to do whatever it takes to keep him completely satisfied - which is why this news isn't surprising.


He feels like more of a successor to Steve Jobs than Tim Cook is, anyone else get that vibe?
 
Sorry, have to say this is pretty much ******** on Job's part. He's dead, he has no legal standing anymore regarding how Apple, a publicly traded company, operates. If the Apple Board wants Jony Ive gone, or instructs the CEO to produce a cheaper, plastic MacBook, that's the way it goes. I'm not saying that would be a good thing, or predicting it will happen, but the idea that Steve could make legally binding corporate decisions that hold forth after his death, that's just silly.

You're arguing that Steve can't do what no one said he did??? Wow.

No one said Ive's position in the company was leagally binding.
No one said Ive's position wouldn't change once Steve was gone.

You're the one making this stuff up... if it's silly, who's to blame?
 
This is a very important structural aspect. Ive only reports to one person making him free of being second guessed by vast numbers of folks. It also frees his direct reports from having to worry about being second guessed by anyone but Ive and Jobs (now Cook).

This is rare. The problem with design and a problem that design groups face is that EVERYONE has an opinion about design. Anyone can look at something and have a view about if it looks good. We all tend to think that our opinions are generally valuable. So in meetings the design groups end up having to explain their decisions to every other group at the meeting. And often, the design folk are more visual and not as verbally gifted as the other corporate folks. Sometimes the design folks can't really even put into words why they think the design should be the way it is. Even if they can, it is distracting for them to have to explain why one color of orange is right but another color suggested by the guys in marketing or worse by a senior guy in the engineering department (yes, folks like that do make those types of comments) is wrong. The designers end up wasting all their time fighting internal battles against other groups who are basically just winging it in this field.

It is kind of like when every prototype leaks and we all throw in our opinion about how it looks. But if we were high level executives our opinion would matter. Except at Apple it doesn't unless you are Jobs (and now Cook).
 
Ive is a baller, and Apple needs to do whatever it takes to keep him completely satisfied - which is why this news isn't surprising.


He feels like more of a successor to Steve Jobs than Tim Cook is, anyone else get that vibe?


I've always kind of thought Scott Forstall would be the best public face of the company as a successor. Young, good stage speaker, etc... However, I have no idea how business-savvy he is. Cook knows HOW to run a business of Apple's size.

I'd rather Jony Ive stay right where he is doing what he does best.
 
I actually find it ironic, I watched several youtube videos where Steve himself said that "Bad artists copy. Good artists steal." And now Android stole and he is angry? Well I guess besides being brilliant Steve is also a hypocrite.

Besides being annoying you are also very bad at logic. A very simple fallacy: "Good artists steal" doesn't imply "anyone who steals is a good artist". Most people who steal are just thieves.
 
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