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Steve Jobs Organized Apple to Give Jony Ive Complete Operational Freedom

baaadboy said:
Or you and he don't understand the quotes.
Btw, GUI was "borrowed" from xerox, so please don't tell me that's not what Steve meant when he quoted Picaso. But I guess it's pointless to bring any sound argument since this is Apple forum.
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Well, keep in mind he knew he was being quoted, and they're in the middle of a court case so quotes can be used as arguments. It's not like he could just say "Yeah, I guess what goes around comes around, so I suppose I don't mind that Google took some of our ideas." Of course he had to say what he did.
 
baaadboy said:
Steve said it himself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

So by your own logic, Good artists are the one's who steal?
I don't even see what your argument is.
All you are doing is confirming my own argument.
Btw he didn't say "good artists steal" like you say in your post. He said "great artist steal"
now who's bad at logic?
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Do you see that big hole you are in?
Do you see the shovel in your hand?

Do yourself a favour and stop digging.
 
tmroper said:
Wasn't there talk awhile back about Ive wanting to work less and spend more time back in the UK? If so, I guess they got him to stick around and keep working, but I hope his head's 100% still in the game.
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I do know that he & Steve were closer than anyone else in the company could be. There was a very deep connection between them that transcended words. Imagine yourself in his position now that Steve is gone. He faces true emptiness, a void that's not easy to live with. Especially since everywhere he turns there are reminders of Steve.

The burning desire he had to return to the UK has not been quenched. Temporarily halted through Steves convincing stance, but now things have changed. The inevitable has been realized as he watched Steve slip away, the man surely experienced what most of us do when losing one in that way.

After years and years at Apple, now without his respected partner, I wouldnt blame the man if he decided to leave. Life is more than work & money. Nothing like death, brings that home.
 
jayducharme said:
I would say that it's not "sometimes" the best way, but always. That supposedly was one of the lessons Jobs learned: he couldn't do it all. By hiring absolutely the best person for the job, he didn't have to worry about that.
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Bill Gates did the same at Microsoft. His motto used to be: "An intelligent person lets even more intelligent people work for him." He also used to hire smart people even when he didn't have an actual job for them - he just wanted to make sure that they would not use their talents working for Microsoft's competition. Gates also created an awesome environment for his staff to make sure that they loved to come to work. I don't know if or how much Microsoft has changed since Ballmer took over, but back in the late 1990s, every Microsoft employee that I've met LOVED their company and when I visited the campus in Redmond back in the year 2000, I got a glimpse at it myself and felt that Microsoft was serious about its employees.
 
Good call.

Sadly, i wonder how long it will take for the accountants and the "managers" to start building their part as they usually do and start interfering with Ive... After all, Steve isn't around anymore to tell them to keep their noses out of things that don't concern them... Hopefully it'll be a while and Ive will have a straight run for a good few years yet. Fingers crossed!
 
I just hope it stays the way it currently is, Ives knows what he's doing, And Steve obviously trusted him greatly because of that!

He did a frigging excellent job with my fatboy iPod Nano and he didn't steal that from anyone, nor the iPhone? I shall ignore the iPad as that's a whhooolleeee other argument..
 
When I got my MBP 15 in 2009 I wondered who the genius was who could design such a solid, easy to handle thing of beauty. When the thinner-for-no-reason-at-all 2010 mini came out with goofy HD access issue, a tiny power supply and apparently not enough room for desktop processors and a good video card I wondered what sick puppy screwed up my favorite Mac.

Win some, lose some. . .
 
baaadboy said:
Or you and he don't understand the quotes.
Btw, GUI was "borrowed" from xerox, so please don't tell me that's not what Steve meant when he quoted Picaso. But I guess it's pointless to bring any sound argument since this is Apple forum.
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Now it's clear that you don't understand the quote.

Not all that surprising when you consider the childness of the rest of your posts.
 
scottsjack said:
When I got my MBP 15 in 2009 I wondered who the genius was who could design such a solid, easy to handle thing of beauty. When the thinner-for-no-reason-at-all 2010 mini came out with goofy HD access issue, a tiny power supply and apparently not enough room for desktop processors and a good video card I wondered what sick puppy screwed up my favorite Mac.

Win some, lose some. . .
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What are you after with the mini? It has never had anything but mobile or iMac processors (with the exception of the G5) used by Apple at any given time.

- A G4 when they were also in Powerbooks

- A Core solo, or Core Duo at the same time as MacBooks

- A Core2 Duo at the same time as MacBooks

- A Core i5 or i7 Also when they were in MacBooks.

As far as HDD or Power supply, you need to point at the hardware folks not Ive ;) .
 
Love it

I LOVE that Steve Jobs felt that having Jony Ive having complete freedom was the key to keeping it working.

Does everyone know how amazing and rare this is? Someone in charge of both the engineering and aesthetics of these devices is hard enough...but a creative person, given some ultimate powers, might not have the discipline to handle the freedom.

In order for Ive to have done what he has done proves that he is even more amazing than we thought.

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vitzr said:
I do know that he & Steve were closer than anyone else in the company could be. There was a very deep connection between them that transcended words. Imagine yourself in his position now that Steve is gone. He faces true emptiness, a void that's not easy to live with. Especially since everywhere he turns there are reminders of Steve.

The burning desire he had to return to the UK has not been quenched. Temporarily halted through Steves convincing stance, but now things have changed. The inevitable has been realized as he watched Steve slip away, the man surely experienced what most of us do when losing one in that way.

After years and years at Apple, now without his respected partner, I wouldnt blame the man if he decided to leave. Life is more than work & money. Nothing like death, brings that home.
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You know, that's true. When you have someone who pushes you to be the best you can be, respects and invests in your values...even becomes a friend...it must be extremely difficult.
 
"Great artists steal" is in the sense of the iPhone 4 recalling the feeling of the old Leica cameras. "Stealing" that doesn't take anything away from those cameras, it's a tribute to their excellent design, and it is well adapted to a phone without adding something stupid like superfluous fake exposure dials or a fake protrusion on the lenses to make them look old time camera-y. That would be "copying" so as to make sure the user is hit over the head with how much their phone looks like an old camera.

IP theft is an entirely different matter.
 
The power of design

Witness the post-war rebirth of Studebaker with the 1953 Starliner coupe designed by Ray Loewy. Still a beautiful car. Or some of his other designs: the wasp-waist Coke bottle, the Lucky Strike box, and the Studebaker Avante (designed from ground up in 40 days.)
 
Ive and his design team work out of San Francisco, not the Apple campus. The article is wrong.
 
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"Jony is my spiritual partner" read: we tripped balls together.
 
A camel is a racehorse designed by a committee. Although an Apple committee would probably have come up with something else entirely, it requires individual (and non-templateable) vision combined with collective endeavor to get the purest excellence in product design that they have achieved - much as that is anathema to the bean counters and management consultants.
 
Jony Ive should have been the next CEO. I bet if he has a MBA from Harvard, Tim would have remain COO and Ive would have become CEO. But since he was passed up. I bet when Tim retire, Jony is the next CEO. 100% gauranteed. I bet my iPad 2.
 
Ive

I would actually like it if J Ive would take more of a leadership role at apple. Keep cook doing what he's doing, but let jony do the keynotes, interviews, and such. He's really the ONLY person that inspires on a creative level like Jobs did at apple.
 
lllll said:
Jony Ive should have been the next CEO. I bet if he has a MBA from Harvard, Tim would have remain COO and Ive would have become CEO. But since he was passed up. I bet when Tim retire, Jony is the next CEO. 100% gauranteed. I bet my iPad 2.
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Cook will not retire for the next ten years, if you look at his pay package. In ten years time, nobody will want your iPad 2 anymore, not even museums because Apple built too many, so you are quite safe.

On the other hand, you really wouldn't want to put Jony Ive into a role that is not for him. Take these two scenarios:

Steve Jobs to Jony Ive: "We have the iPhone 3GS. Go and design a phone that looks right to be the successor to this phone". Jony Ive: (Disappears for a few weeks): "Here is the iPhone 4".

Steve Jobs to recording industry: "I have this brilliant idea how we can all make lots of money by selling music on the internet." Music industry: "Grumble grumble". Steve Jobs: "Let me bang your heads together so you see sense". (Bangs their heads together). Music industry: "We now see sense. Please open the iTunes store with our music in it".

In the first scenario, Jony Ive does an excellent job at doing what he's best at. What makes you think that Jony Ive would be any good replacing Steve Jobs in the second scenario? And who would design the iPhone 5?
 
lllll said:
Jony Ive should have been the next CEO. I bet if he has a MBA from Harvard, Tim would have remain COO and Ive would have become CEO. But since he was passed up. I bet when Tim retire, Jony is the next CEO. 100% gauranteed. I bet my iPad 2.
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This thinking is the perfect example of the Peter Principle. Ive is a brilliant designer. Great candidate for Chief Creative Officer. What a waste of his mojo dealing with Wall Street would be. How bored would he become dealing with Madison Avenue. Would his imagination help dealing with Samsung and Foxconn?

Let him do what he was born do do: Design products that help OUR imaginations soar.
 
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