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Steve Jobs Organized Apple to Give Jony Ive Complete Operational Freedom

ravenvii said:
Jobs clearly understands the evils of 'design-by-committee.'
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Yes, we'd have new product much sooner if the committee could tell industrial designers, "Just make the iPhone thicker and put a fan in it so it will be blazing fast while we wait for smaller and faster chip yields to materialize."
 
I'm hoping function will start to get equal billing with form. You can still make good looking products but being easy to use needs to come first.
 
6 words out of place.

MacRumors said:
earned through his team's creation of numerous iconic products and a plethora of design awards.
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Anyone writing for MacRumors should know Apple too well to believe that receiving external awards has anything to do with your standing there.
 
Piggie said:
Sorry but this is not correct.
The problem is, ergonomic designs, that are made to fit you hand, ideally in a comfortable relaxed state often don't look "Cool"
Matching the design of a device to the human form often means lumps and bumps and shapes that are superb to use, but we currently don't think they look very modern.
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So for you ergonomics could mean fit the hand but make it difficult to use?
the Magic Mouse doesn't fit my hand which makes it easy and pleasant to use. an "ergonomic" mouse fits quite snug under my resting hand but means to use it, it feels truly awkward.

past two Apple mice have felt effortless in my hand, my previous Microsoft ergonomic mouse was wasn't effortless.
 
*LTD* said:
It's important that Ive and Forstall in particular work well together.
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Not going to happen. It's well known that the other VP's only want to chat to Forstall in the presence of Cook. Cause of how Forstall is. Not really a team player.
 
I'm sure it's already been posted here, but I really think they just should have made Ive the CEO.

If he's the 'spiritual' successor to Jobs, then he should have Jobs old job.
 
SJThonn said:
Remember Steve Jobs' quote(It's actually Picasso's but he used it a lot)?

"Bad artists copy. Good artists steal."

And Steve called it stealing. That means he's jealous about Android. Steve seemed to be very selfish at times.
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I agree. But don't say that on this board. Steve himself admitted to stealing other's designs, but got all bent when he thought Google did it. Gander? Goose?
 
baaadboy said:
I actually find it ironic, I watched several youtube videos where Steve himself said that "Bad artists copy. Good artists steal." And now Android stole and he is angry? Well I guess besides being brilliant Steve is also a hypocrite.
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Besides being annoying you are also very bad at logic. A very simple fallacy: "Good artists steal" doesn't imply "anyone who steals is a good artist". Most people who steal are just thieves.

baaadboy said:
Fanboi alert..
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That's another fallacy called the "ad hominem attack". When you can't counter the argument, you attack the messenger. And that name "baaadboy", is that supposed to sound like a sheep?
 
SJThonn said:
Remember Steve Jobs' quote(It's actually Picasso's but he used it a lot)?

"Bad artists copy. Good artists steal."

And Steve called it stealing. That means he's jealous about Android. Steve seemed to be very selfish at times.
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It's "Good artists copy, great artists steal"
 
lilo777 said:
Are you sure about that? Ive is a designer. He has little idea about computer hardware or software and he has full control over the final product. With this arrangement one should not be surprised when Apple comes up with things like glass phone - the first, the only and probably the last (I mean iPhone 4) glass phone in the World.
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Which is why it's so interesting that Apple does it so differently -- the designer is in charge.

With most companies, you'd start with the hardware, then say "Ok, we need to package this up and make it look pretty".

With most companies, if you even have an in-house designer, the designs get filtered or nixed ("that's a really beautiful design, Joe, but get real, there's no way we can build something like that"). With Apple, they say "how can we make this happen?"

With most companies, they'd say "that design is beautiful but it would increase the cost by X. There's no way we could do that and stay competitive, so cut the cost." With Apple, they're free to say "you know what, so it costs more, we're betting the customers are willing to pay the extra." And so far, they've been right.

I don't think Ive is unique in his ability to come up with beautiful industrial designs. What's fairly unique is that he's been surrounded with a management team that can say "let's make this happen!"
 
As a Designer...

euvnairb said:
This is how all design should be. Products catered to please the people at the top are always watered down and never achieve the designers intended look. Give a designer ultimate freedom and you get art.
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As a Designer...I completely agree ;)

At my job, I feel as though we are always catering to the Sales Reps. It's a major killer of innovation.

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notjustjay said:
Which is why it's so interesting that Apple does it so differently -- the designer is in charge.

With most companies, you'd start with the hardware, then say "Ok, we need to package this up and make it look pretty".

With most companies, if you even have an in-house designer, the designs get filtered or nixed ("that's a really beautiful design, Joe, but get real, there's no way we can build something like that"). With Apple, they say "how can we make this happen?"

With most companies, they'd say "that design is beautiful but it would increase the cost by X. There's no way we could do that and stay competitive, so cut the cost." With Apple, they're free to say "you know what, so it costs more, we're betting the customers are willing to pay the extra." And so far, they've been right.

I don't think Ive is unique in his ability to come up with beautiful industrial designs. What's fairly unique is that he's been surrounded with a management team that can say "let's make this happen!"
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Exactly. My designs are chopped and mutilated by sales reps, product managers and financial people. A beautiful vision is often reduced to just "another product" in an over saturated market. Apple, Jobs and Ive have been inspirational to me and my work personally and I'll always strive for beautiful perfection, cost be damned! Of course...those products will never see market in that form. Kudos to Jobs for this decision, it's brilliant.
 
gnasher729 said:
Besides being annoying you are also very bad at logic. A very simple fallacy: "Good artists steal" doesn't imply "anyone who steals is a good artist". Most people who steal are just thieves.



That's another fallacy called the "ad hominem attack". When you can't counter the argument, you attack the messenger. And that name "baaadboy", is that supposed to sound like a sheep?
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Well in order for me to counter your argument, you have to be worthy of me doing so. You have shown no argument in the first place, you are just being angry at me expressing my opinion.

And in the grown-up adult world that's not the way you express your message and will get you nowhere. You were disrespectful and all you said was that I am annoying and bad at logic.

You should think before you tell someone they are bad at something. For all you know I could be your boss at work and making 10 times are you are with my "bad logic".

For me to counter the argument you have to give me your argument first, in which case you did nothing but show how childish you are.

How my name sounds is none of your concern
 
YMark said:
I agree. But don't say that on this board. Steve himself admitted to stealing other's designs, but got all bent when he thought Google did it. Gander? Goose?
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That's exactly what I was saying, but I got attacked.
But yeah you are right, you are not allowed to say anything bad about Steve or any of their products on these forums. And dare not bring any argument against any of the Steve's own words.
 
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AaronEdwards said:
I'm wondering.

Did Ives copy or steal from Dieter Rams?

Is he a great artist or merely a good artist?
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I doubt he copied or stole...but was simply inspired by. Mr. Rams is a key figure in the world of Industrial Design and his work is taught in our schools. Of course many would be influenced by his work. They are both great Designers in my mind.

Great artist or not...Ive's product sales speak to his capability and knowing that he has this freedom has given me a little more confidence in Apple's future with Steve gone.

I apologize if I misunderstood your statement.
 
There is a distinction between (a) copying or stealing ideas and (b) copying or stealing IP. There is nothing hypocritical about supporting (a) and not supporting (b).
 
gnasher729 said:
Besides being annoying you are also very bad at logic. A very simple fallacy: "Good artists steal" doesn't imply "anyone who steals is a good artist". Most people who steal are just thieves.



That's another fallacy called the "ad hominem attack". When you can't counter the argument, you attack the messenger. And that name "baaadboy", is that supposed to sound like a sheep?
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Steve said it himself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

So by your own logic, Good artists are the one's who steal?
I don't even see what your argument is.
All you are doing is confirming my own argument.
Btw he didn't say "good artists steal" like you say in your post. He said "great artist steal"
now who's bad at logic?
 
baaadboy said:
Steve said it himself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

So by your own logic, Good artists are the one's who steal?
I don't even see what your argument is.
All you are doing is confirming my own argument.
Btw he didn't say "good artists steal" like you say in your post. He said "great artist steal" now who's bad at logic?
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He's not confirming your argument. You just don't understand the quote.
 
BaldiMac said:
He's not confirming your argument. You just don't understand the quote.
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Or you and he don't understand the quotes.
Btw, GUI was "borrowed" from xerox, so please don't tell me that's not what Steve meant when he quoted Picaso. But I guess it's pointless to bring any sound argument since this is Apple forum.
 
Will be interesting to see the first designs he comes up with without any input from jobs.
 
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