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Steve Jobs Payment

Originally posted by etoiles


waaaaaaait a minute. Of course, people with more money pay more taxes, but that still makes them richer than the rest...and where does the tax money go ? Hardly into the poor people's pocket. I would not say anything if there was at least a good health system or a solid public school system in this country...And people who pay more taxes tend to have more political power, they are more likely to grab the attention of politicians. As for the 'playing field', well higher education is not accessible to everybody, women still get paid less (and are less likely to 'climb the corporate ladder') than men in general, ethnic background makes a difference etc. Sure, you can always come up with that killer business plan and create your own company or product, but it is a hell of a lot more difficult when you spend all day flipping burgers, not because you are lazy but because that is the only job anybody will give you. I am not saying that everybody should have the same salary, but the gap between rich and poor in America has tremendously increased over the last twenty years, which is not healthy for a country as a whole...okay, I'll stop here, I must be three billion light years off topic by now.

So, I'll join the chant: go steve ! Don't forget to release those high end powermacs anyday, christmas is coming up !


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..., better public school system??

If your smart, you get into a good public school, if your a ****ing retard you go to a bad one. Thats what they do here in NYC theyve got Stuyvensant, Bronx Science, and Brooklyn Tech for the "smart" ones, i go to Bronx Science :p

anyways, UHMM...

Gap between rich and poor?? PLEASE, look at these poor people, most of them are idiotic ****ers. Seriously, if those people would stop for one moment and THINK, what do i need to do to be successful in life? Flipping burgers aint getting you nowhere, what company gives a rats ass that you flipped burgers. You have to study hard to get a good job. You dont just say i want to be rich and you become rich all of a sudden. Lots of these people stayed in school for years studying and learning becoming what they are now. I Plan on studying and doing something with my life. If your wife decides to teach jackass kids and only makes $30,000, its because thats all shes capable of making, if she decided to learn some more she would make more. Look at how much good college professors make! they are teachers, yet they make ****loads more than $30,000 because they are much smarter. and agreed sports players and movie stars get payed way to ****ing much, those ****ing monkeys. Mostly every single movie star is a ****ing retard, who doesnt understand ****.
Why the hell do you guys care what steve makes, i mean seriously the guy worked hard for where he is right now, he went to school, he studied, he came up with an Idea in the 1980s that NONE of you would of though of. I mean tell me, did your wife think about making a computer in the 1980s??? did ANY of you think about it and decide ok, im want to make a computer that will make me rich. DO YOU know how easy it is to say that?? then do you know how hard it is to put those words into action, actually building a computer and running a multibillion dollar corporation? I THINK NOT!

and btw, last i heard, IBM makes 100billion a year so apples 4billion pales in comparison.
 
apparently there was a mistake with the scoring of the entrance exam....

Jadam apparently is either not very old/wise, and he certainly isn't as smart as he thinks he is. In fact, he demonstrates the highest amount of ignorance displayed in this entire thread. Which isn't to say that there is no merit in some of what he says.

Yes, it is difficult to put a plan into action. Plans require things like venture capital to pay for workshops, office fronts, patents, etc. So one could make the argument effectively that having some money to begin with, or knowing someone with money to assist you, or having the right "appearance" in front of a loan officer might be beneficial to acquiring a small business loan. Notice that not one of these methods for acquiring venture capital requires any degree of education whatsoever.

Another thing to consider, Jadam, is that our society needs burger turners. Our society requires trash collectors, store clerks, janitors, teachers, entertainers, CEO's, accountants, politicians, students, bagel bakers, taxi drivers, policemen, market researchers, biologists, tug boat captains, soldiers, servers, hosts, gallery attendants, artists, musicians, professors, parents, children, plastic bag makers, inventors, oil workers, construction workers, sewer workers.... and so on and so on.

When you order a hamburger with no onions and no cheese at the drive through and you're in a hurry and you rush off to where you need to be and discover at the next stop light that your hamburger is a cheeseburger with onions and you can't eat it because you're lactose intolerant and allergic to onions. That's not a result of stupidity. That is a result of a worker who doesn't get paid enough/treated with enough respect to give a Sh*t about a simple job that they have in order to hopefully make their share of rent, pay the utilities, and that's not to mention the second job they hold down for grocery money, car insurance, and savings for the christmas present they hope to give their child who brings them no end of frustration because the school system doesn't challenge them and they are always getting into trouble. The stupidity was not checking your burger at the window.

When you respect your workers, and when you pay them a living wage, you increase their ability to participate joyfully in life, you create a happier worker. You create a healthier business environment. Look at the McDonald's on the TV who "loves to see you smile," then compare it to the McDonald's that you go to to actually get the burger. This whole thread can be seen as evidence of appearance versus the reality of any given thing.

The reality here is that you are one of those jack*ss kids that the 30K teacher has enough heart to care so much about (perhaps foolishly, more likely selflessly) that she makes a financial sacrifice to try to teach you a real lesson in life. That lesson may even be that knowlege is far more valuable than mere money, and that even if you are the poorest broken down loser on the block, you might have the most real freedom.

BTW, in most places school districting is determined by where you live, not how "smart you are" or how lucky you got filling in dot patterns on the entrance exam. Therefore: more tax money per capita + less student per square mile = higher budget for school and less students per class room with the added benefit of higher pay scale attracting more qualified instructors. In other words: the rich continue to reinvest in themselves, while the poor continue to struggle. More evidence of an uneven field. Also i think that you should check your research on the "glamorous" salaries of college professors. i think you'll find that it is the Bobby Knights and the Lute Olsens, the coaches of the NCAA teams who are the ones making the big bucks, not the professors who do the actual work of making a University serve its purpose.

i don't think that most of the people on this thread are trying to say that stupid, ignorant f*cks should be given millions of dollars and left to run the country (although this seems to happen frequently). i think the point is that our fabric of morality and workforce value has become perverted. The profit margin has become more important than the reality of the workplace and so the worker is squeezed, and exhausted and because the worker is viewed as interchangable at this lower level, not only does it not matter to the employer whether he keeps an employee or not, it no longer matters to the employee to keep his job because he can get another sh*tty job down the road and the end result is the same. And because this worker is barely making ends meet working two jobs, exhausted, and maybe he never had that 30K a year teacher who took a special interest in him when no one else (not even his parents) did, to say, "You can be more than what you are right now." But even if he wanted to go to school he can't afford it right now, but he's not making any savings... he's being kept in the lower eschelon because he has no assistance to better himself... and here's the kicker: this is how it has to be to keep our civilization working. We can't all be college educated professionals. If we were, we'd be a nation of college educated burger turners. Which wouldn't be so terrible if the environments in which we had to function respected our minds and our need to provide for ourselves. Which it doesn't. It simply does the bare minimum to meet government laws and regulations until you get above the level of "highly interchangeable worker."

Our nation is a complete paradox. Imagine if you learned about us by intercepting the TV transmissions emanating from our planet and formed a complete sociology then decided to visit this fine utopia where all of the women are beautiful and the houses have color coordinated furniture, and people are laughing all the time. Then imagine actually coming to visit. Seeing all of the unhappy faces which are shown all of the things they should be able to have, but can't. If they just worked a little bit harder, maybe then they could, but they're exhausted. They're so weary from following the carrot on the string... and the irony is that it's the person on the other end of the carrot who has all of those benifits. It only takes a few carrots to lead a mob.

As long as the workforce is too tired, too drunk, and convinced that there is nothing they can do about it, the interests of profit will continue to dominate our existence.
 
Originally posted by jadam


..., better public school system??

If your smart, you get into a good public school, if your a ****ing retard you go to a bad one. Thats what they do here in NYC theyve got Stuyvensant, Bronx Science, and Brooklyn Tech for the "smart" ones, i go to Bronx Science :p
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Spoken like someone still attached to momma's milk. When you grow up, choose a career and work hard at it a few years, maybe I'll listen to your opinion then.

Not all school districts allow parents to choose which particular school they attend. And some parents can't afford to pick up and move every time a school is reported to be "the best."

Thanks man, you make me want to start teaching again.

signed,

a former certified elementary school teacher

insert edit here---->I guess Jadam's post pissed me off, I shouldn't have reacted, rather I should have read Quanta's respones. Very well said Quanta! Right on!;)
 
lol, really most of the burger flippers are teens who need money, not adults. and i dont eat at mcdonalds or any of those fast food places thank you very much.

and if you do good in school, you do good in life.
 
Think again!

Originally posted by 3777
That is a disgrace.....a 43 million dollar bonus, give me a break. I bust my a$$ for 50k a year, and there are people no better then I am, getting 40 million dollar bonuses. Until this type of stuff ends the world will never change. Teachers make 30k a year, while stupid baseball players make 100 million....... it's all crap.:mad:
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By all means. Its his company. he and his partner inventet apple. If he is now a CEO or not. Fact is that with his input the company is where it is. So think again before you speak. If Apple make such much money... he deserves it. I call that "Big business"...not for everyone.

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A case of cultural isolationism

If you come to realize that your evidence of the world around you may not be the same as the evidence in the world around another, you will have begun to unchain yourself from ignorance.

Don't they teach you this in school?

Perhaps your teachers don't get paid enough to convey concepts.
 
Originally posted by danielwilliams


Sorry that your wife decided to go to school and get a degree in a field were she knew that the average salary was low.... but hey that was her choice.... just like everyone else...

Let's not forget that Jobs has worked hard over the last 20 years to get where he is today. I am so sick of hearing people complain about others abilities to acheive their goals...

If you have such a problem with your wife's job choice, let her develop some device that the rest of the world wants and over the next 2 decades build a number of companies that employee hundreds of people, and then only take home $60,000 a year.

Or get a new wife...

God what a bunch of whining losers....
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well these loser will teach your kids, thats all i am saying. Yep its easy to disrespect a mans wife online,,,little bitch
 
steve jobs is worth possibly several hundred million dollars so it really doesn't matter if he gets paid or not

he was at his richest, in today's dollars, when he got sprung from apple the first time with a net worth of at least 125 million dollars in the mid 1980s

he knew at that time according to numerous interviews i read, that he believes he was rich enough and all that was left after having made that type of fortune was to innovate and make great contributions to the high tech field...thus we have the steve jobs of today (hundreds if not thousands of times richer than most of us posting here) with the goal of pushing technology further

bill gates, on the other hand, has mediocre products since money is mostly what he is interested in...and looking at apple vs. microsoft is the easiest way to tell

you can almost feel the passion put into an apple product ...not something i can say about too many microsoft products

but, flame me here, but i think ms' xbox is a great thing and something they really wanted to do right...perhaps gamecube and playstation are better as some gamers tell me, but i am surprised and happy with ms' effort with the xbox

in pc magazine, the benchmarks of their graphics chipset, at the time, beat any pc or mac on the market!

...but i will leave now since this isn't an xbox appreciation thread:p
 
A few things bothering me about all of this...

First of all – Jadam, as you mature in your years you will learn that the statement should be: If you do WELL in school, you will do WELL in life. Not If you do GOOD in school, etc.

Second of all, as for the last entry about the Xbox and Halo, buying equipment from Microsoft is bad enough, but announcing it in a forum about Apple interests seems a little bass ackwards. I'll stick with my GameCube :D

And Now, double back flip with a twist - ON TOPIC
I think for as much cheese as Apple is bringing in as positive cashflow each quarter (lately at least), then $43M in salary doesn't seem too extravagant. Many CEO's in the US take home their salary as a percentage of the company's income, instead of pulling down a specific $$ amount. I'm not saying they all do it, just some. It makes the CEO take a more personal interest in the doings of the company. I think Steve takes that interest in his company at least the extra mile, if not the extra 6 furlongs.

I'm done now. Continue ranting.
 
Originally posted by Mudbug
A few things bothering me about all of this...
Second of all, as for the last entry about the Xbox and Halo, buying equipment from Microsoft is bad enough, but announcing it in a forum about Apple interests seems a little bass ackwards. I'll stick with my GameCube :D
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As much of a zealot as I am, I really liked the Xbox and the games I've played on it, so I bought it despite the lack of love for it's owner.
 
Fair enough for owning one. I can just hope that Microsoft decides that it makes video games REALLY WELL and gets out of the PC software business. I think that might actually make my day. Take that, Dirty Harry. :)
 
Originally posted by jadam


..., better public school system??

If your smart, you get into a good public school, if your a ****ing retard you go to a bad one. Thats what they do here in NYC theyve got Stuyvensant, Bronx Science, and Brooklyn Tech for the "smart" ones, i go to Bronx Science :p

anyways, UHMM...

Gap between rich and poor?? PLEASE, look at these poor people, most of them are idiotic ****ers. Seriously, if those people would stop for one moment and THINK, what do i need to do to be successful in life? Flipping burgers aint getting you nowhere, what company gives a rats ass that you flipped burgers. You have to study hard to get a good job. You dont just say i want to be rich and you become rich all of a sudden. Lots of these people stayed in school for years studying and learning becoming what they are now. I Plan on studying and doing something with my life. If your wife decides to teach jackass kids and only makes $30,000, its because thats all shes capable of making, if she decided to learn some more she would make more. Look at how much good college professors make! they are teachers, yet they make ****loads more than $30,000 because they are much smarter. and agreed sports players and movie stars get payed way to ****ing much, those ****ing monkeys. Mostly every single movie star is a ****ing retard, who doesnt understand ****.
Why the hell do you guys care what steve makes, i mean seriously the guy worked hard for where he is right now, he went to school, he studied, he came up with an Idea in the 1980s that NONE of you would of though of. I mean tell me, did your wife think about making a computer in the 1980s??? did ANY of you think about it and decide ok, im want to make a computer that will make me rich. DO YOU know how easy it is to say that?? then do you know how hard it is to put those words into action, actually building a computer and running a multibillion dollar corporation? I THINK NOT!

and btw, last i heard, IBM makes 100billion a year so apples 4billion pales in comparison.
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You are an idiot.

Since you mention you are still in public school, I should just assume you are a youngster and cut you some slack for not knowing as much as you think you do. But since you are spouting your mouth off about how smart you are and how stupid poor people are, I'm going to try to set you straight on the subject. Some very stupid people are very lucky and very successful. Do you really think some pretty, but brainless model/actor/musician/spokesperson is smarter than a highly educated teacher at an inner-city school? What you make has nothing to do with how smart you are. Duh.

Just so you know, thanks to a couple of things that happened to me (I won't bore you with the details, some of the things were bad decisions, some of it was bad luck, like getting really sick and the department where I was working losing funding because of the economy), I now find myself unemployed, and struggling. For your information, I grew up in several small towns where there wasn't much of a choice as to where you could go to school. I did very well, got really good grades, lots of extra-curricular stuff, went to college, worked my tail off just to get by for awhile, and happen to have a VERY high IQ.

I will be moving soon to work a day job and continue to be a struggling artist. Luckily (though it wasn't exactly luck) I was smart enough to save some money and do some other things to make money, so I'm not broke. Lets see how smart you are when Mommy and daddy cut you off and life gives you the swift kick in the butt you seriously deserve. If this is how you think life really is, you are gonna get a pretty big reality shock.

This is the part where you tell me I have no idea what I'm talking about. So who bought you your computer? Let me guess, you paid for it with your allowance and Christmas/Birthday money, since you're too good for a McJob. Or somebody gave it to you. Lets see how you'd feel if you were one of those poor kids whose parents (if they even have parents) work as hard as they can and still struggle to get by.

And for your information, my Mom worked hard to become a teacher to teach spoiled little brats like you. Welcome to the real world kid. People like you make me sick. Step out of your glass house and get a clue.
 
well said solvs

but realize from his profile that the kid is a minor and has not had the same chance to experience life as the average 29.9 year old macrumors poster

the age i quote is what arn discovered from his database of macrumors posters

i also grew up a sheltered existence where a lot of the kids in the area had parents who started computer companies, agricultural companies, and successful retail/restaurant interests

but as i grew up thru adolescence into middle age, i realized that luck plays the biggest factor in one's success, not education like the kid mentions...he should do research and see that steve jobs and steve wozniak were not college graduates when they became centi-millionaires building apple, nor were paul allen and bill gates of microsoft, nor michael dell of dell computer, nor shawn fanning or napster, nor larry ellison of oracle, nor some of the founders of sun microsystems, etc.

as an interesting sidenote, steve wozniak of that group did go back to college and receive a bachelor's degree and became...gasp...a school teacher

being a liberal, i always used to believe that there was this rock solid correalation between education and income...the world of reality set me straight on that and showed me that was not the case at all

...i also got some experience as an hr person, got a BA degree in the subject from business school, and even have graduate work in mathematics that show things such as the fallacy of believing education has anything to do with income

here's an interesting fact from the "millionaire next door"...what do you think the most common car of the millionaire in america is? rolls royce, mercedes benz, ferrari, bentley?

nope, ford f-150

but these were long, hard lessons i had to learn starting from scratch since i knew a lot less about life growing up in a sheltered area

i once thought it would be cool to be like my gi joe dolls and become a soldier or spy but acutally seeing belfast as a missionary showed me that war is not some game played with plastic dolls

i am a much better person for having gone thru a lot in almost forty years, but that does not mean i was a worthless idiot when i was a teenage child...i just grew up slower than the rest like the poster you are criticizing

so, be nice and cut the child some slack because twenty five years from now, he may think like you and me but, also, have some compassion because he grew up soft like many rich and upper middle class kids do
:)
 
hey he earned it

Some people get lucky or work harder what ever you want to call it but if you were in his place wouldnt you be happy, plus he has done us good but you know what he can't just say oh that customer is on welfare so i have todrop down too you ****ing jiz guzlers eat my ****ing ****
 
I see absolutely nothing wrong with Big Steve taking this bonus. He has taken Apple out of the toilet and has given it a larger presence in the eyes of computer folk like us. I agree with uhlawboi80 that it is ridiculous in today's society that athletes makes that kind of money, while those who are charged with molding the future of this country (teachers), are paid piddly sums.
 
Originally posted by krube73
I see absolutely nothing wrong with Big Steve taking this bonus. He has taken Apple out of the toilet and has given it a larger presence in the eyes of computer folk like us. I agree with uhlawboi80 that it is ridiculous in today's society that athletes makes that kind of money, while those who are charged with molding the future of this country (teachers), are paid piddly sums.
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steve jobs definitely took us out of the toilet

but some moves he has done since then make me wonder

he is the greatest marketing genius i have ever seen

as a ceo, i am not so sure

but only time will tell

sj is worth hundreds of millions (fortune magazine) and he is still not greedy like mr gates who is worth 60 billion or mr ellison who is worth 47 billion (2002 guinness book of world records)

in essence, sj is small beans compared to those guys, but i much prefer apple to microsoft, thank you:p
 
Steve

Well,
How many of you have created a great company, then get kicked out of it and as it's dying a slow, painfull death save it from sheer destruction. He deserves the Jet hands down. Well, so long as Woz isn't flying the plane that is :)
 
Re: Steve

Originally posted by fatalerror101
Well,
How many of you have created a great company, then get kicked out of it and as it's dying a slow, painfull death save it from sheer destruction. He deserves the Jet hands down. Well, so long as Woz isn't flying the plane that is :)
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Preach it brother :cool:

oh yea, but still, he could cut some expensise
and give the consumer a break JEEZES:eek:
 
i don't know if anyone said this, fot i was too lazy to read through the whole thread, just skim but:

tis better to have 43 million bonus then 43 million salary and 43 million bonus:)
 
Originally posted by crazy_will
i don't know if anyone said this, fot i was too lazy to read through the whole thread, just skim but:

tis better to have 43 million bonus then 43 million salary and 43 million bonus:)
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Sorry - I just don't get it. Unless I'm not supposed to, and then, right on. :confused:
 
My personal Experience...

Hi
First time posting here.

I'd like to share my personal experience with work, school, and youth pressures. please forgive my grammatical and spelling errors :) i'm 17. live in canada. growing up in a great neighbourhood, but unfortunately my dad jumped ship when i was 9. tough luck. well my mom struggled and continues to struggle to keep everything together, and as i'm sure alot of you guys can relate to, i haven't had a idealistic childhood... anyways im in my final (senior) year of HS, trying to get into university. I want jamad or whatever to know that i have worked all as much as possible from may to now, when i finished paying off my machine, that i purchased in june. i've worked more than anyone i know, up to 33 hours a week while going to school. what's more is that i am constantly mocked at my high-upper-middle class school for working at mcdonalds. i think this is outrageous!

I get pissed off when i hear kids saying how they need money, but won't work at a restaurant. well they need a reality check. all of my friends basically were born into their fortune, and im the lonely kid on the block who has divorced parents. its hard. working my mcjob, as a previous poster had talked about, i know completely how we feel working service industry jobs.

i might be the only mcdonalds employee to own a mac! the manipulation and constant abuse of workers at my job is driving me insane. i've seen dozens of kids ( my restaurant has 130 workers ) be overworked and start dropping courses. i'm glad for myself that ive made my few grand to buy what keeps me sane ( my beloved mac ) . what makes me feel even ****tier is hearing from some of my peers how their parents are buying them computers and la z boy chairs for their f*cking computers that they wont appreciate.

when i think about it, im glad that i dont get bought off by my parents. i know that my dad is a good guy, the relationship just didnt work. bad luck i guess? i am motivated by these obstacles and maybe, just maybe ill be successful because of this. i've never had a TV in my room or anything except a desk lamp and bed. i think kids who are given that type of **** are ****ed in the end because they dont know the true material value of things. another thing about society that kills me: cars. i see KIDS in my neighbour hood driving 20,000 (us dollar) SUV's and even mercedes cars. this makes me sick. their parents even pay the insurance and gas, not to mention everything else in their picture perfect worlds.

my hypothesis is that there are 3 outcomes of adolescence.

1) i think that there are kids like me, who try to get jobs while they are in school, and get sucked in, either by bad decisions, or by a lack of motivation, even bad implementation of values from their parents, who end up working the low end jobs that everyone is trying to avoid.

2) there are kids that are between me and the snobby type. they have had enough problems to understand the real world, and they do not live in a glass house. they'll be somewhat to extremely successful in life, because they have the experience needed to make rational life decisions. i really hope i make it into this category

3) the kids who get pretty much everything, they might lose a grandparent or a distant aunt, but everything is pretty easy. their dads might work a bit too much, but they understand that its what puts the gas in their cars. they'll most likely go onto college and get a bach in some **** they dont really care about and live a quiet life and you'll never hear about them. you'll just see them in hawaii for their annual vacation and in the drive thru because the mommy is just too lazy from doing JACK ***** all day/week/ever ( oo, i vacuumed and grocery shopped today!)

(as a result of not making something of her life, because her husband couldnt wear condoms until she got a real university education)

I hope this doesnt piss anyone off too much. i know that its a HARSH generalization but i dont feel like i have much of a voice except here. i apologize to any and everyone if i offended you.

i would appreciate any feedback or relation to my current situation from the community- thanks!
 
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