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Steve Jobs Payment

a different consciousness

Read Nickel and Dimed
by Barbara Ehrenreich - she goes "undercover" to report what it's like to "live" working for $7/hr - and one of her conclusions is that America gets it cheap food, clothing, toys (including our macs) on the backs of the poor (yes, I know apple stuff is made in foreign countries - stay with me here).

I hear Steve is a buddhist - why did he *accept* the 43 million? was it all one lump sum? Maybe he took the money and gave it to charity. How many loaves of bread can yo eat at once? I bet those of you saying it is OK for him to be paid $43Million (which makes your mac stuff be x amount more expensive - the 43mill has to come from *somewhere* ) think that if he can do it yo can do it or get somehting similiar in the future....that has always been the american dream - "I can become rich in the fututre if I work hard enough" - but tomorrow never comes and we work away today and work away tomorrow and never comes the day....And how many millionaires get it all and find they are still unfulfiulled, unhappy and now what? (lots... and not just the ones being sued)

I do agree that salaries are out of whack in this country. I do agree that line people produce and sr. mgt. lives off that- perhaps this is modern slavery - and they are *afraid* of doing real work. Maybe it's the Peter Prinicple?

No, it's not a level playing field.

No, it's not that it's a job that no one else would want - that's just silly - **** I'll be CEO of Apple - Steve doesn't actually *produce* anything - How much did Avie get paid? Or the engineer who invented the first Mac motherboard?
or the guys at PARC that started all this?
And did steve really "save" apple - or did he stop sr. mgt. policies that were killing apple - thereby letting the lower level, creative folk do what they know how to do- do YOU need your manager to get yor work done and produce quality and value for your customers? I don't.

I think the reason it is like this is due to something else:
We get our sense of self from what we have, what we do (ie "produce") and who we think we are or should or want to be. We identify with our mind and thoughts and the products of our mind - when the mind is not who we really are - ask yourself - who is listening to the voice in your head? Who is aware and conscious when you are *not* thinking ( it happens from time to time).

Ask yourself - how much time do you spend thinking about the future ("The next mac will solve all my problems", "I need a G5") or the past ("sos and so did this to me").

How much time do you spend sitting quietly and being present - quieting your mind and listening to your inner self - separate from the noise in your head....Can you just sit and eat a sandwich without listienig to music, playing onn your mac, reading posts here, just SIT and EAT YOUR FOOD. Can you even do that? for mor ethan 2 seconds? (if you can do this at will and *really* understand what I am asking, let me know I want to chat...)

It's not about the money - if Steve and the people at Apple did not get their sense of self from being "Steve and the people of Apple" they would change how money and things are done. Look at SAS and how they treat their folks - and Apple people are treated well - maybe noticebly better than others (at least when I was there). But I think there is a collective insanity (nobody sane would treat each other the way we do, spoil our planet, wage war, etc) and this is a manifestation of it.

And yes, perhaps I am identifying with being a poster on this forum a bit.

At least I'm looking at that.

If this rings for anyone and you want more of this, read Eckhart Toole's Power of Now. Try the audio series - very powerful.
and it will play on the mac.
 
Re: a different consciousness

Originally posted by maclamb
I hear Steve is a buddhist - why did he *accept* the 43 million? was it all one lump sum? Maybe he took the money and gave it to charity. How many loaves of bread can yo eat at once?
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FYI, the "bonus" payment was in the form of his personal Jet. This, AFAIK, is the ONLY bonus payment he has received since coming back to Apple, and so is not payment for one year but for ... what has it been, five years yet?

A compensation packager of ~$10M/year is hardly beans-and-rice level, of course, but also not anywhere near the top of the CEO range. Socialist dogma notwithstanding, Apple is getting astounding leadership from Jobs (witness the rest of the industry and remember that when you look at Apple's competition you are looking at companies run generally by the top 10% of all CEOs and board in overall effectiveness).

Is Jobs doing a good job? I believe so. Does my Mac purchase pay his "salary"? Of course it does, just like buying a Dell makes Michael richer and buying Windows makes Emporer Bill a bit heavier in the bank account. I buy a Mac because, to me, the price is worth it. Without Steve Jobs ... no one knows where the Mac would be or where it would be heading, but certainly the Apple board feels that their continued success is largely due to Jobs' leadership, which is why they awarded him the jet bonus.
 
the steve jobs of old almost ran a company into the ground and they had to get rid of him...accountants run growing companies, not cult leaders

i think when he came back, he learned a lot of lessons about dollars and cents and had to shed some of his idealism and put on a new coat of compromise and practicality

he may not be the ceo of my choice for apple, but he really has taken much less than most ceos of other companies of the same size or in the same industry so it's not about greed with sj

and the company may not be doing well, but apple is still alive

if someone else came to lead apple at it's darkest hour in 1997, i don't know if they could have rallied the troops like sj

making a pact with ms was not popular at the time, and neither was letting bg leverage the situation with 150 million of liquid cash, but sj did what he needed to to save apple and because of those unpopular moves, i am typing on this ibook

in 2002, i have to say thank you steve jobs...even though you were a bad leader the first time around

thank you ibm...even though you are the real 800 pound gorilla

and thank you bill gates...for the money and helping with your mac related ms software...even if it really was for $$$ and not from the goodness of your heart

politics...and companies on the ropes...make strange bedfellows indeed;) :p
 
I think steve has vision and it's hard to put a price on vision and I agree with the post about thank you steve and bg or I wouldn't be using my pb - though I *am* using navigator not ie ;-)

I remember reading some books on the history of the mac that the mac was built *in spite* of steve at the time - he was managinng the lisa and a hardware guy created the motherboard fo rth emac on his own and Steve "co-opted" (stole?) the project for his own.
At applem when I was ther ein early 90's I was told the mac was built in spite of steve.

anyway - good comments...
 
Originally posted by maclamb
- though I *am* using navigator not ie ;-)
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on a user level, i like netscape navigator over internet explorer

on a personal note, before i was a techie, i was a suit...ie) vp of san jose dot.com... but a "founder" of netscape gave my ceo some bad advice (which sounded good at the time) and we got wiped out

anyway, we would have probably been wiped out anyway

how optomistic we all were just a few years ago!!!

:p ;) :D
 
Just a few thoughts

Canadian Bacon, there is nothing wrong with working at MickyD's to make some money. I have no idea who in the world thinks it is a bad thing for a kid to work for what he wants. I am 26 and I grew up on a farm in South Dakota. I worked my ass off on that farm for nothing but room and board when I was young, but I loved it and loved my parents. Good people. Out in South Dakota, we are not into that "high society" life here, people live and let live.

My roomie back in college had weathly parents, but he is and will always be my best friend. His parents made him take student loans like I did and bought us some used furniture for the apartment. He did not talk about money and told me always money doesn't mean crap if you don't have any friends or love in your life.

I became a teacher not for the money, heck in South Dakota you start around $23K, but to try and make a difference in kids lives. I live in a small farming community here, not a lot of money, but good kids. I see the high school kids working at the quicky mart on Saturdays for some money around here. I rent a little house for $200 a month, have my friends, family, a new car, and my Macs. Life is not so bad. So Canadian Bacon, stick in there and keep up the good work. Life is not about money...when I walk in the mall, I have no idea what people are rich and what people are just middle or lower class, they are just people.
 
train of thought

i find it very comforting to see that there are a number of minds who are aware of our social/individual dilemmas. Certainly we all bear the burden of our own particular sanity, and the ways in which we satisfy our desires.

Much applause to canadian bacon's work ethic and sense of self-satisfaction for having acquired a means to his/her momentary satisfaction (or possibly continued distraction... but i digress). i also wouldn't spend too much time worrying about other people's attitudes. It does get frustrating and i often feel very alone in my opinions and frustrations with society, but then i realize that despite my criticisms, i am still a participant and contributor to many of the things of which i am most critical. That's when i think that if there were only somewhere i could go or someone i could meet who could free me from this vicious cycle....

But like maclamb said, the only person you know is yourself, and ultimately that is the only person who you have any control over.

Sitting, and simply being is something which fascinates me. i have for many years wondered at the simplicity of a single flower in a field, and the sweet silence that short life is. Juxtaposed against the screaming, demanding, reality of my life, i rarely am sitting silently and being. When i am creating art, that is my time of silence. In those moments, it no longer matters to me whether i am listening to music or a movie is playing, or a dog is barking, or there is nothing going on at all because my focus has detached myself from that inner voice which is constantly carving prose from the remnants of events which have just manifested and are quickly falling into the wayside of memory. Instead i am directly in relation to the activity at hand.

i'm pretty sure that this has nothing to do with Steve Jobs, but there it is.

thanks.

ps. i'd enjoy some correspondence with you, maclamb.
 
I think everyone should know that I came across a question about this very thing last weekend while playing the 20th anniversary edition of Trivial Pursuit.

Just so you know, I got it right. :D
 
Steve does the Jobs

I'm not one for big salaries, but our exalted leader has earned this and more. I for one, would like to add my Gratitude for his leadership in a company that make the most excellent computer products and software I use.:cool:
 
thats NOTHING

I remember reading in a Time magazine about the highest paid people in America (this was in the early 90's so money wasn't as big then) and the CEO of HEINZ (the ketchup company) made 72 million dollars a year!! $72,000,000.00 for selling ketchup!! That was a lot of money back then considering that is pretty close to what Steve paid for Pixar (reletavely speaking of course, he did pay about $110M).
Anyway, I agree that this country is really screwed up financially and socially. Sports figures are WAY over-payed and companies are way over valued.
Look at Microsoft, it is the most valuable company in the world (according to the Stock Exchange) and all they really make is software and a game console now. Look at who they took the number 1 spot from, General Electric! Think of all the things that GE makes, from light bulbs to refridgerators and so on. If you were to liquidate both companies what do you think the value would be. A bunch of worthless CD's and paper or warehouses and factories full of appliances?
I think that Steve has done a great job at Apple, and I think his bonus, while maybe excessive to us, is really quite modest in the business comunity.
You also have to consider the companies who are PRIVATE and do not disclose any finances, I worked for one and you would cry at the salaries they pay some of these idiots!
 
reading some of the idiotic and uninformed replies from people who have obviously never dropped the silver spoon out of there mouth makes me sad to share air with some of the people in america.

america's ceo's are paid on average twice (including bonuses and compensation packages) what the average CEO is paid in countries such as germany and japan.

if steve jobs is so the people's hero, than why didn't he spring for the jet out of his own pockets?

its all business people.
 
Business is business. There should be a more equitable way to compensate CEO's to narrow the gap with employees, its the employees that do the WK. CEO's add vision!
 
Originally posted by ninjachild
reading some of the idiotic and uninformed replies from people who have obviously never dropped the silver spoon out of there mouth makes me sad to share air with some of the people in america.

america's ceo's are paid on average twice (including bonuses and compensation packages) what the average CEO is paid in countries such as germany and japan.

if steve jobs is so the people's hero, than why didn't he spring for the jet out of his own pockets?

its all business people.
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say what you want about jobs...he is a jerk and hot tempered and often a bad business person while being a marketing genius among other things...woz says sometimes sj is not a good listener

but one thing sj isn't is greedy...besides his one dollar a year salary, he does not plan to use the jet after he leaves apple...that will be for the next apple ceo...of course, we know sj will still be on the apple inc board and get to go for a ride from time to time:p

bill gates says he will give away 95 percent of his fortune, but i think sj will be the one to actually do it without ever once bragging about it

in a recent interview i read with sj, he mentioned his net worth after being fired from apple was over 100 million...an amount he thinks is more than enough for the rest of his life

bg, on the other hand, wants nothing short of the world...and maybe when he realizes he won't live forever, bg will give it all back after he has marginalized apple, sun, digital research...and destroyed netscape and many others...people worked for all those companies that either went under or had to downsize becuase of bg's aggressiveness
 
about his plane...

you know i honestly thing SJ is going to let other big people at apple, i.e. phil schiller, to use the plane when they all go to do business. he isnt some rich chump who sits in his plane alone and laughs at the proletariets all day.
 
People who do good in life dont do that great in school

Jadam i hate to dissapoint you but you said that people who do good in school do good in life.... this isent true there broham... you could be a genious and get all A's but if u cant get people to listen to you wont get **** done.... Iread an article recently that said that most of the highest paid people in america got average grades in highschool... B, C even some Dsssss why...... GOOD PEOPLE SKILLS

ITS ALL ABOUT THE PEOPLE skills not how good you do in school...........:)
 
Re: People who do good in life dont do that great in school

Originally posted by Huked on Fonick
Jadam i hate to dissapoint you but you said that people who do good in school do good in life.... this isent true there broham... you could be a genious and get all A's but if u cant get people to listen to you wont get **** done.... Iread an article recently that said that most of the highest paid people in america got average grades in highschool... B, C even some Dsssss why...... GOOD PEOPLE SKILLS

ITS ALL ABOUT THE PEOPLE skills not how good you do in school...........:)
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oh yah bill gate have highest peepel skills in world. absorutery. peoper don't need to be interrigant at all.

i fink that you shourd say that you dun need gud grads in hi skool to be a genius.

being well liked is always helpful, but inspiration, i think, makes success. i could also argue that intelligence is a function of how academically "inspired" you are. i can't think of anyone i've ever met who was "dumb" who actually cared. they had no inspiration.
 
Re: Re: People who do good in life dont do that great in school

Originally posted by Shadowfax


oh yah bill gate have highest peepel skills in world. absorutery. peoper don't need to be interrigant at all.

i fink that you shourd say that you dun need gud grads in hi skool to be a genius.

being well liked is always helpful, but inspiration, i think, makes success. i could also argue that intelligence is a function of how academically "inspired" you are. i can't think of anyone i've ever met who was "dumb" who actually cared. they had no inspiration.
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Yeah, look at Forest Gump!:p
 
Originally posted by 3777
That is a disgrace.....a 43 million dollar bonus, give me a break. I bust my a$$ for 50k a year, and there are people no better then I am, getting 40 million dollar bonuses. Until this type of stuff ends the world will never change. Teachers make 30k a year, while stupid baseball players make 100 million....... it's all crap.:mad:
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Quit complaining. He saved your computer company. And if you think other people could have brought more skill to the table, you're right. However, only Steve had what it took to restore faith in the company so quickly: HIS NAME.

There are some things you just have to accept.

Dan
 
Originally posted by solvs
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You are an idiot.

Since you mention you are still in public school, I should just assume you are a youngster and cut you some slack for not knowing as much as you think you do. But since you are spouting your mouth off about how smart you are and how stupid poor people are, I'm going to try to set you straight on the subject. Some very stupid people are very lucky and very successful. Do you really think some pretty, but brainless model/actor/musician/spokesperson is smarter than a highly educated teacher at an inner-city school? What you make has nothing to do with how smart you are. Duh.

Just so you know, thanks to a couple of things that happened to me (I won't bore you with the details, some of the things were bad decisions, some of it was bad luck, like getting really sick and the department where I was working losing funding because of the economy), I now find myself unemployed, and struggling. For your information, I grew up in several small towns where there wasn't much of a choice as to where you could go to school. I did very well, got really good grades, lots of extra-curricular stuff, went to college, worked my tail off just to get by for awhile, and happen to have a VERY high IQ.

I will be moving soon to work a day job and continue to be a struggling artist. Luckily (though it wasn't exactly luck) I was smart enough to save some money and do some other things to make money, so I'm not broke. Lets see how smart you are when Mommy and daddy cut you off and life gives you the swift kick in the butt you seriously deserve. If this is how you think life really is, you are gonna get a pretty big reality shock.

This is the part where you tell me I have no idea what I'm talking about. So who bought you your computer? Let me guess, you paid for it with your allowance and Christmas/Birthday money, since you're too good for a McJob. Or somebody gave it to you. Lets see how you'd feel if you were one of those poor kids whose parents (if they even have parents) work as hard as they can and still struggle to get by.

And for your information, my Mom worked hard to become a teacher to teach spoiled little brats like you. Welcome to the real world kid. People like you make me sick. Step out of your glass house and get a clue.
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And FYI, my parents grew up in concentration camps in Albania. My Parents got divorced when i was 5. My Grandparents clean buildings for a living, you think thats a great job? no. My mom struggled to get some where in america. She came here knowing no english and now has a decent job making $60k a year(speaks perfect english BTW). My stepdad came from Bakuu(err cant spell azerbajin(something like taht......)) He took a test there. The best students were sent to the United States for schooling, and thats where he ended up. Up until 2 years ago he only made $50k a year, then he got a job at merrly lynch and now makes around $140k a year. And dont worry, as soon as high school is over my stepdad and mom plan on giving me NO financial aid and kicking me out of the house.
 
Re: People who do good in life dont do that great in school

Originally posted by Huked on Fonick
Jadam i hate to dissapoint you but you said that people who do good in school do good in life.... this isent true there broham... you could be a genious and get all A's but if u cant get people to listen to you wont get **** done.... Iread an article recently that said that most of the highest paid people in america got average grades in highschool... B, C even some Dsssss why...... GOOD PEOPLE SKILLS

ITS ALL ABOUT THE PEOPLE skills not how good you do in school...........:)
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very true
 
If you're intelligent, that helps you get a good job and have a good life.

If you have good people skills, that helps too.

If you have a good education, that helps too. Especially if you're intelligent.

Why do CEO's get paid so much? Supply and demand. What board of directors WOULDN'T want to hire "just some guy" and pay him $50k a year to be CEO? Only problem is, "just some guy" isn't going to be a good CEO. There are only a few hundred, maybe a few thousand Americans with the necessary skills, education, and knowledge to be a CEO. And even some of them are bad at it (Spindler, Amelio).

There's nothing wrong with making a fortune from honest, voluntary deals, trading your skilled services for pay. If you have the skill to teach and teach well, you deserve your salary. If you have the skill to create and sell inventions that improve everyone's life, and you create and sell the inventions, is it not fair that in return for improving the lives of the schoolteachers, burger-jockeys, and lawnmower operators of the world, that your life be improved? When people of the greatest ability, such as Steve Jobs, who are the most essential people in our society because they are so rare and irreplacable, when those people are told that they don't deserve the fruits of their labor--then perhaps you will learn that without the geniuses you have condemned, your society will make no further progress, and will eventually collapse.
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
If you're intelligent, that helps you get a good job and have a good life.

If you have good people skills, that helps too.

If you have a good education, that helps too. Especially if you're intelligent.

Why do CEO's get paid so much? Supply and demand. What board of directors WOULDN'T want to hire "just some guy" and pay him $50k a year to be CEO? Only problem is, "just some guy" isn't going to be a good CEO. There are only a few hundred, maybe a few thousand Americans with the necessary skills, education, and knowledge to be a CEO. And even some of them are bad at it (Spindler, Amelio).

There's nothing wrong with making a fortune from honest, voluntary deals, trading your skilled services for pay. If you have the skill to teach and teach well, you deserve your salary. If you have the skill to create and sell inventions that improve everyone's life, and you create and sell the inventions, is it not fair that in return for improving the lives of the schoolteachers, burger-jockeys, and lawnmower operators of the world, that your life be improved? When people of the greatest ability, such as Steve Jobs, who are the most essential people in our society because they are so rare and irreplacable, when those people are told that they don't deserve the fruits of their labor--then perhaps you will learn that without the geniuses you have condemned, your society will make no further progress, and will eventually collapse.
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and if you have no ethics, drop out of college, you steal from apple, among others, destroy netscape, and become the richest man on earth...:D
 
The reason Steve gets paid so much is because when he first started Apple, back when he wasn't rich and he was just a kid with a dream, he sold his VW, everything he had, and burned his bridges to generate the start-up capital. He risked his entire future and put his balls to the wind in the face of the ridicule of his friends, family, and the rest of the business world because he believed he could win. He had a vision, a dream, and he was willing to take the risk that all of you whiners will not take. That is why people are stuck working $7 - $10 an hour and have no future. It is because they have neither the courage nor stamina to do what Steve and those like him did. I've been in the houses of hundreds, if not thousands, of people across this country and I've found that most people are not willing to take that risk. That is why they will stay impoverished, enslaved, or whatever you would like to call it. They are content, fearful of risk, concerned what everyone says of them, and Steve was not. He is merely reaping the seeds he sowed over twenty years ago in a little business venture called Apple, and he deserves every penny. So stop whining and go do something, and if you've got what it takes, you may earn what he does, too.
 
Originally posted by lesreaper
That is why people are stuck working $7 - $10 an hour and have no future. It is because they have neither the courage nor stamina to do what Steve and those like him did. I've been in the houses of hundreds, if not thousands, of people across this country and I've found that most people are not willing to take that risk. That is why they will stay impoverished, enslaved, or whatever you would like to call it.
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Let me guess, you were clearing their crap clogged toliets when this epiphany sprang out from the sewer and smacked you in the brain.:rolleyes: Hhhmmm. And so now you're the CEO of some company that does something? Isn't it possible some people only work to earn enough money to do the things that make them happy?

geezezzezeze!

cheers!
John

and sorry about the sarcasm, it was just too easy.
 
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