It's amazing how people complain about being "poor" in America when "poor" means "cable TV but no SUV".
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To those who still complain about Steve's pay, I wish to remind you that a person/item/service is worth only what the buyer is willing to pay. Enough people are willing to stand behind Steve to justify his pay. If you don't like it, by a machine running Windows. After all, Bill Gates made only a fraction of the cash the Steve made (sarcasm).
If you really have issues with people being over payed, take it up with your congressmen. They get to vote on their own salaries. They don't get a bonus because tax payers are glad they saved your computer manufacturer.
Dan
If you really have issues with people being over payed, take it up with your congressmen. They get to vote on their own salaries. They don't get a bonus because tax payers are glad they saved your computer manufacturer.
Dan
The only people who make big money on luck are lottery winners. The fact is people with education have worked hard for that education - that's just their nature. They're the same people who work hard, try different ideas, take risks, and come up with good ideas that they work hard to succeed with. Those people make the really big money, because they worked hard. The people who sit on their ass and don't go to school, don't work hard, don't do anything and then look at people who do and say 'you were just lucky.' Those people are disgusting to me.
Was it LUCK that funded the great idea? Was it luck that improved the design, or payed for the patent, or payed for the legal help? Was it luck that the person spends 5 years of his life studying circuitry and code and working the night shift - while you were not in school? Does spending 36hours awake, focusing on school and design, and trying to get it right and never wanting to stop - does that equal luck?
Was that luck? Or was it someone blaming their own ignorance on their own laziness.
Was it LUCK that funded the great idea? Was it luck that improved the design, or payed for the patent, or payed for the legal help? Was it luck that the person spends 5 years of his life studying circuitry and code and working the night shift - while you were not in school? Does spending 36hours awake, focusing on school and design, and trying to get it right and never wanting to stop - does that equal luck?
Was that luck? Or was it someone blaming their own ignorance on their own laziness.
People make their own luck, as said above, by studying hard in school, & working long hours at their job. Our great innovators don't ask for things to be given to them. Too many just cry about their situation, when they could be working to be more successful!
Oh, come off it!
A little reality, please, guys! You can be as hard-working as you want and still get shafted. Luck has a lot to do with it, so does being a white male, so does not living in Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Nicaragua, Iraq, Chile, Colombia, Cambodia, Palestine, Timor, or anywhere else that gets screwed over or worse... (mostly by successful white males)
A little reality, please, guys! You can be as hard-working as you want and still get shafted. Luck has a lot to do with it, so does being a white male, so does not living in Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Nicaragua, Iraq, Chile, Colombia, Cambodia, Palestine, Timor, or anywhere else that gets screwed over or worse... (mostly by successful white males)
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That's completely true, opportunity *along* with hard work make a person that successful. But just living in America doesn't a rich man make, as so many foreigners think, and people like Jobs are the direct result of a capitalist society-- The only way to avoid it is communism, which we've seen fail many times. Face it, we can all be as jealous as we want, but if *we* were the ones looking at making this much money, 99% of us would jump at the chance.
pnw
That's completely true, opportunity *along* with hard work make a person that successful. But just living in America doesn't a rich man make, as so many foreigners think, and people like Jobs are the direct result of a capitalist society-- The only way to avoid it is communism, which we've seen fail many times. Face it, we can all be as jealous as we want, but if *we* were the ones looking at making this much money, 99% of us would jump at the chance.
pnw
Re: Oh, come off it!
extremely well said
i think some of the other posters would do well if they did peace corps or missionary work like i did just to wake up and see that the whole world is not just like the usa
extremely well said
i think some of the other posters would do well if they did peace corps or missionary work like i did just to wake up and see that the whole world is not just like the usa
If you want to make that amount...
...it's bad karma to bad-mouth peeps who make a killing like that. They made it by either being really good at what they do, being at the right place at the right time or knowing the right people or some combo. The thing is, if you aspire to be that way yourself, if you put negatives on those people, then you are putting negative spin on your own potential. You will forever be sabotaging (sp?) yourself (unknowingly).
So, Steve makes his money cause he's good at what he does. He may have saved Apple, he made Pixar into the company it is today...good for him. He deserves what he gets.
Baseball players chose to be good at what they are good at, doctors, lawyers as well. Actors and actresses too. What about politicians? Aren't they paid a lot of money? Good for them. Let them all make good money.
I may not make that much, i may never make that much, so what? I'm happy with my life, not having to sacrifice my health for being a professional athlete, i'm happy not sacrificing all my spare time that i need a jet to fly everywhere, or compromising my morals to be a politician. Until you are ready to make some serious sacrifice to make that type of serious money, ask yourself if having it would really make things that much better for you. Will you sacrifice the possibility of never walking again (football player?), would you sacrifice being able to hang out with the people you like/love for more than 2 hours at a time on alternate wednesdays of even months? (High powered exec). In short, these people have their own realities to worry about, things that they can lose that money can't buy...to quote sublime,
"Life is too short, so love the one ya got, cause you might get run over or you might get shot"
In short, don't bitch. Make something happen for yourself.
...it's bad karma to bad-mouth peeps who make a killing like that. They made it by either being really good at what they do, being at the right place at the right time or knowing the right people or some combo. The thing is, if you aspire to be that way yourself, if you put negatives on those people, then you are putting negative spin on your own potential. You will forever be sabotaging (sp?) yourself (unknowingly).
So, Steve makes his money cause he's good at what he does. He may have saved Apple, he made Pixar into the company it is today...good for him. He deserves what he gets.
Baseball players chose to be good at what they are good at, doctors, lawyers as well. Actors and actresses too. What about politicians? Aren't they paid a lot of money? Good for them. Let them all make good money.
I may not make that much, i may never make that much, so what? I'm happy with my life, not having to sacrifice my health for being a professional athlete, i'm happy not sacrificing all my spare time that i need a jet to fly everywhere, or compromising my morals to be a politician. Until you are ready to make some serious sacrifice to make that type of serious money, ask yourself if having it would really make things that much better for you. Will you sacrifice the possibility of never walking again (football player?), would you sacrifice being able to hang out with the people you like/love for more than 2 hours at a time on alternate wednesdays of even months? (High powered exec). In short, these people have their own realities to worry about, things that they can lose that money can't buy...to quote sublime,
"Life is too short, so love the one ya got, cause you might get run over or you might get shot"
In short, don't bitch. Make something happen for yourself.
Re: Oh, come off it!
Yeah, it is hard to become rich in those countries. That's because they have nothing near a capitalist economic system. And if you add Cuba, North Korea, and China, those are three countries where the only way to get rich is by political influence, not by actual merit.
So, yes. If you're not suffering under a totalitarian dictatorship, you can't get rich no matter what. This is part of why tyranny is a bad thing.
And you can only get rich if you're a white male? Ironically, Jesse Jackson has gotten rich by telling that to black people and for other seedy dealings...
Yeah, it is hard to become rich in those countries. That's because they have nothing near a capitalist economic system. And if you add Cuba, North Korea, and China, those are three countries where the only way to get rich is by political influence, not by actual merit.
So, yes. If you're not suffering under a totalitarian dictatorship, you can't get rich no matter what. This is part of why tyranny is a bad thing.
And you can only get rich if you're a white male? Ironically, Jesse Jackson has gotten rich by telling that to black people and for other seedy dealings...
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Yes, how terrible it is to have a political system that produces visionaries and geniuses...
Yes, how terrible it is to have a political system that produces visionaries and geniuses...
I wouldn't be so proud of Tony Blair. At least we still have fair trials in this country, and not kangaroo courts where you can try someone as many times as you want until you find a jury that'll convict...
I'm just saying, you're in the glass house here. I don't go around criticizing other people's political leaders until they start on mine. I honestly don't really like anyone's political leaders. But I see no reason to take a relatively sane conversation about the meritocracy of a market economy, and turn it into an argument as to who has the worst political leaders.
Steve Jobs deserves every penny he's paid, and more. If Steve Jobs made 100 million a year, I would have nothing to say beyond, "Good for him."
Steve Jobs deserves every penny he's paid, and more. If Steve Jobs made 100 million a year, I would have nothing to say beyond, "Good for him."
Personally I think they are both a disgrace to their respective countries, and the "meritocracies" they lead are responsible for state-sponsored mass-murder on a horrific scale. And I don't think anybody can be truly said to "earn" a hundred million a year. I don't hold it against Jobs, but I find a system which loads the taxes and benefits of corporations to enable such obscene payments to be grossly inequitable.
Anyway, it's 2.30am here, so I'm packing it in. Plenty of time to come up with a well-crafted rejoinder....
Anyway, it's 2.30am here, so I'm packing it in. Plenty of time to come up with a well-crafted rejoinder....
Originally posted by 3777
That is a disgrace.....a 43 million dollar bonus, give me a break. I bust my a$$ for 50k a year, and there are people no better then I am, getting 40 million dollar bonuses. Until this type of stuff ends the world will never change. Teachers make 30k a year, while stupid baseball players make 100 million....... it's all crap.
dude, you make me sick!!!! why dont you stop busting your butt off for 50k/year and start out your own company. see how "easy" that is? if you were better than any on these 40mil+ bonus-guys, shouldnt we be seeing your names in the news? I agree that teachers are getting paid too low, or shall i say "not getting paid" adequately. but it goes with territory, i mean, how much does the owners of sport teams make every year? what players getting paid is no concern of ours, they only "profit sharing" from the owners, so complaint to the owners and stop calling the players stupid, if they were, they're not getting that much money werent they?
im in the same bracket as yours, but guess what? concentrate on what you have and careless about other stuff. if only you could look down to see how fortunate you are and not looking up and be mad about it.
happy holidays.
Unfortunately, "dude", it's your kind of attitude to such outrageous inequality which makes the good ol' US of A such an easy place to hate for the rest of the world. Or hadn't you noticed?
Happy holidays to you too.....
You may learn some day that no political system can make a whining idiot and a visionary genius equal.
sometimes many people i see in this country lose sight of how good they have it compared to a war zone area or third world area
that being said, america is not perfect and both political parties in washington, however corrupt, do make sincere changes for the sake of the american people
and getting re-elected is good, too
Well, yes. Destroying and despising the visionary genius has always been the norm of society. If this gets too bad, the visionary geniuses give up, so you do, in fact, achieve equality. Equal poverty, that is.
Isn't that what you're doing?
Isn't that what you're doing?