Steve Jobs Promises Full HTML5 Support for Safari 'Soon'

[stuffradio]

Hmm, I think KDE may disagree with you there. Also, I'm sure Google aren't following in anyone's footsteps. They plough their own furrow it seems. I personally find them more interesting from a technology and inovation POV than Apple, but Apple crap all over them with marketing savvy.

I agree with you that Apple is way better at marketing products.

 

[MrCrispy]

Now is he talking "soon" as in "iPhone OS 4 will be released soon" or as in "the iPhone will support tethering on AT&T soon"?

 

[WPB2]

Now is he talking "soon" as in "iPhone OS 4 will be released soon" or as in "the iPhone will support tethering on AT&T soon"?

With all due respect, It was AT&T that said "tethering soon" not Apple. Just saying.

 

[coolfactor]

sjobs [at] apple [dot] com

Seriously... why would you publish his email in a public forum like that?

 

[iDisk]

Seriously... why would you publish his email in a public forum like that?

Seriously ? cause it's public knowledge Einstein. Just Google Steve Jobs e-mail and you'll see for yourself.

Lose the attitude.

 

[ttucanssam77]

What Is Jobs' Email Address?

I want to send him my own personal message. And await his one word response.

 

[guzhogi]

Cool! HTML5 = Bliss

Hopefully, Webkit2 will be available "soon," too.

 

[dernhelm]

Seriously... why would you publish his email in a public forum like that?

Because it isn't really his email. It may be scanned once in a while by an Apple employee, but it isn't his everyday email.

He didn't type the reply "Soon" either.

Wow, some people are amazingly gullible.

 

[BigMacIain]

Steve says Safari will support HTML 5 "soon"

Did he? I thought he was saying that Canada would get the iPad soon.

 

[gnasher729]

Yes, people must remember it was APPLE who pioneered the webkit standard, hence why Google is following in there footsteps.

Well, it's really the KDE project with the KHTML engine on which webkit is based.

 

[steerpikegg]

As a web developer for over 13 years, I can honestly say that it's a moot point until IE supports it.

Like it or not, 70%+ of web users are still on IE (10% on IE 6), so for anything other than hobby sites it's not going to happen.

 

[richman555]

As a web developer for over 13 years, I can honestly say that it's a moot point until IE supports it.

Like it or not, 70%+ of web users are still on IE (10% on IE 6), so for anything other than hobby sites it's not going to happen.

I believe it is 60% now, they are one more step to irrelevant.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/03/internet-explorer-market-share-falls-below-60-percent-for-first/

 

[Yamcha]

How is this credible ? and Soon doesn't mean much...

 

[mdriftmeyer]

Apple playing catch up with Google. Must be getting on Steves nerves. Should of kept his mouth shut. Now he has to deliver and deliver good.

Not hardly.

WebKit Nightly have all this for quite some time.

WebKit is 23/27 on Forms and 12/19 on User Interaction:

Missing on Forms:

• autocomplete input attribute
• keygen element
• output element
• meter element

Missing on User Interaction:

• hidden attribute
• Undo manager

Only one more element missing from Text-level semantics

• time element

Everything else is done.

Sorry, but Ogg/Vorbis and MP3 are not part of the HTML5 spec anymore than H.264 and AAC are part of the spec.

Video/Audio elements fully tested.

FWIW: Firefox 3.6.4 currently scored 1/27 on HTML5 Forms support. 0/7 on Section support. 0/2 on Groups and 0/5 on text level semantics.

 

[Otaviano]

As a web developer for over 13 years, I can honestly say that it's a moot point until IE supports it.

Like it or not, 70%+ of web users are still on IE (10% on IE 6), so for anything other than hobby sites it's not going to happen.

Actually it's down to 60% and is in my opinion going to continue to sink rapidly. Between browser ballots and Google pasting Chrome banners all over the place.

The situation is so bad that Microsoft is actually trying to take browser development seriously. With IE9 they are finally pushing web standards something that should have happened after IE6.

 

[ri0ku]

I dont like the word soon...

for Guns N Roses fans such as myself soon translates to 13 years.

I dont like soon

 

[BrianKonarsMac]

I don't see how Steve responding with an extremely terse "Soon" is in any way a promise from Steve that Safari will have full HTML5 support.

This doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know thanks to Google's Chrome browser. Apple has to support HTML5 and fast.

 

[slb]

Apple playing catch up with Google. Must be getting on Steves nerves. Should of kept his mouth shut. Now he has to deliver and deliver good.

Playing catchup? What the heck are you talking about? Based on your post history, you don't like anything Apple does.

 

[theBB]

As a web developer for over 13 years, I can honestly say that it's a moot point until IE supports it.

Like it or not, 70%+ of web users are still on IE (10% on IE 6), so for anything other than hobby sites it's not going to happen.

Many big websites already have special mobile pages and none of those devices run IE. If your company does not care whether 100 million affluent users can view your pages, sure, it is moot, but I suspect for most competently run companies that is not the case.

 

[zin]

In response to the email regarding new MacBook Pros a few weeks ago, Steve responded "Not to worry."

Not long after, new MacBook Pros were released.
Perhaps this will be officially announced, and released, during WWDC?

 

[beg_ne]

I would assume any HTML5 features that Chrome has are at least part of Webkit's nightly builds. Is this correct? Does anyone know for sure?

It would be a shame for Google to be taking advantage of Webkit but not contributing back to it.

 

[steerpikegg]

Many big websites already have special mobile pages and none of those devices run IE. If your company does not care whether 100 million affluent users can view your pages, sure, it is moot, but I suspect for most competently run companies that is not the case.

But that's the point - the 'big websites' only account for a tiny fractionof the whole internet. Sure the big names can afford to have different versions of the site developed, but for the rest without unlimited budgets, they just want a site that works in IE and all other browsers forsaking the new features available.

I would love to be able to develop solely for standards compliant browsers, but it's just never going to happen on a commercial basis until IE's market share is majorly diminished.

I spend about 40% of development time fixing quirks or bugs to make compliant XHTML / CSS work properly in IE.

It's been nearly 15 years and we still can't even draw a box with round corners without resorting to hacks thanks to MS. And PNG's STILL don't work flawlessly in IE.

Oops ... going into a rant there.

 

[Winni]

I would assume any HTML5 features that Chrome has are at least part of Webkit's nightly builds. Is this correct? Does anyone know for sure?

It would be a shame for Google to be taking advantage of Webkit but not contributing back to it.

It wouldn't just be a shame, it would be a violation of the terms of the GPL. Which is why Google makes all their changes to Webkit publicly available, just like Apple. They have to.

 

[Winni]

Good. The more and more HTML5 is implemented on the web, the sooner Flash dies.

Don't worry. You'll get your ads in H.264 format soon enough.

 

[mex4eric]

CSS 3 too please

It's not part of html5, but it is part of webkit.

I am getting tired of work arounds such as:

style="padding:10px;margin:10px;-moz-border-radius:25px; -webkit-border-radius:25px;border-radius:25px;border:solid green;"

It is just supposed to be border-radius, not all those specifics.