Steve Jobs Ranked World's 136th Richest Person

[appleseed76]

He gave us the Mac! What have you given to mankind? Tells you a lot about a person... Who knows what he gives (just because he doesn't boat about it in vain like BG) and for you to even say anything is out of line really. You don't know what he's given away to charity or anything... I know your post says something about your doubt, and disbelief in people in general. He earned it and if he doesn't want to give one cent away, that's his or anyones prerogative.

Actually Steve didn't give us the Mac, Apple did, and they used many of the ideas given to them by Jef Raskin, before Steve kicked him to the curb for creative differences. Now current Macs could certainly be attributed to Steve, especially after he took over Apple after its collapse, but do you really think he's the one developing this stuff, other than saying yes, or no to particular ideas? I'm sure he pushes people to the breaking point and demands perfection. He's highly involved at Apple, but there are literally 1,000s of people slaving away making this stuff. He's not designing, programming, or creating any of it anymore. It's just like Miyamoto and Nintendo.

My once-great idols are becoming human through time and pressure. As obselete as the technology and software they created decades ago. Figure heads for brands that we grew up with and defend as if they were our own children.

 

[jabbott]

 

[albert g]

Maybe now he can "afford" to build his boxes in U.S....

...and stop using iSlaves. Does he really need to outsource Apple technologies to countries using child labor? Would he miss a meal, if he built his i$ in the U.S.?

 

[kernkraft]

I just had to share it

Stevie is the absolute impressionist!

One day, it's Coneheads, then it's Gandhi.

 

[Sn0wball]

As for Gates, he wasn’t very charitable until he married Melinda. She’s often overlooked, but the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was her big idea and Bill Gates has acknowledged that many times.

No doubt Bono was involved too.

 

[alhedges]

Bill Gates (and all multimillionaire philanthropists) gives his money to charities for ulterior motives.

Who cares what is motive is?

I can't recall all the details, but when I was in law school we went over how charities can be used as a means of funneling money for corporations. Gates would have to pay a lot of money in taxes either way, but when he donates money to charity his taxes dramatically decrease, not to mention all the great publicity he gets for it.

He's not giving corporate money, he's giving his own money. And, yes, his taxes do decrease on account of his charitable giving. So do mine or yours, for that matter. But you don't make up on tax savings nearly as much as you lose from your personal wealth, as you only get a deduction for the contribution, not a credit.

Most importantly, he gets to say where his money goes and what its spent on. It was discovered that a significant amoount of Gates money that had been donated had gone to help anti-humanitarian purposes like sweat shops

BS. The vast majority of the tens of billions of dollars Gates has given away has gone to fight disease in Africa or help with education in the US.

There is something seriously wrong with trying to minimize the fact that Gates has given away $30+ billion dollars of his personal fortune to charity.

Especially by contrast with certain other wealthy individuals who have given away less.

 

[kernkraft]

Cheapskate Red face gets a discount on income tax

No doubt Bono was involved too.

Are we talking about that tax exile musician, who is so concerned about poverty that he just resided to another country for tax purposes?

 

[cutthroughthebs]

Actually Steve didn't give us the Mac, Apple did, and they used many of the ideas given to them by Jef Raskin, before Steve kicked him to the curb for creative differences. Now current Macs could certainly be attributed to Steve, especially after he took over Apple after its collapse, but do you really think he's the one developing this stuff, other than saying yes, or no to particular ideas? I'm sure he pushes people to the breaking point and demands perfection. He's highly involved at Apple, but there are literally 1,000s of people slaving away making this stuff. He's not designing, programming, or creating any of it anymore. It's just like Miyamoto and Nintendo.

My once-great idols are becoming human through time and pressure. As obselete as the technology and software they created decades ago. Figure heads for brands that we grew up with and defend as if they were our own children.

Man whatever... He gave us the Mac man! If you seen him working out of his parents garage you'd know that! Of course there are employess WTF? Duh!
He also went and started yet another pltform in the Next so what have you done? I've made 3 gold and 1 not so gold albums... At least some contribute to the world in a way as to at least enjoy it... all you contribute are rediculous post on mac rumors. You really don't need to give any history lessons.

 

[alhedges]

You're missing the point. Charity, defined as one giving money to another whose need is greater, is humanly possibly insofar as that it can be done. On the other hand, it's a big fat tax deductible sum for those who donate and I'd bet green money that is taken advantage of by those who do give vast sums of money to charitable causes. That isn't to say that these people are not doing a good thing, they most certainly are, but there are ALWAYS ulterior motives.

Well, feeling good for having helped fight disease in Africa is certainly a motive. I'm not sure if it is an "ulterior" motive...or even why that distinction matters. But I don't see why you seem to think that this cheapens the donation...and, in fact, it doesn't cheapen the donation. Every act that people do is for *some* motive. This doesn't make all acts somehow equal however.

I mean, Bill had a motive for donating $30 B to charity. SJ has a motive for not giving much to charity. Do you believe that not giving to charity is just as good as giving to charity?

Please don't bash me for being a ****ing realist - humans are self-interested, rational creatures. Giving away your own stuff for no benefit is not logical, nor is it rational. You cannot differentiate the bulldog that ran Microsoft from the puppy that runs the Bill & Mel Foundation, he's the same guy playing a different game.

Don't flatter yourself. You're not a realist; in fact, you are incapable of understanding certain fundamental distinctions in how the world works. The fact that every act produces some "benefit" for the doer does not mean that every act is morally equal.

Otherwise, you end up with the sophomoric idea that, say, giving up a lucrative urban medical practice, moving to Africa, and helping diseased children from a simple shack with no running water is morally *no better* than staying in your $500k job and living in luxury, since the fact that you gave up the lucrative job must mean that you found greater benefit in living in poverty and helping people.

Or is that what you believe?

 

[farmboy]

No kidding

Tells you alot about a person

Yeah, so based solely on what you don't know, you judge a person. OK then.

Personally, I dislike charitable giving with your own name attached to it. Credit for the giving, take away for the ego.

 

[Trek2100]

It's official. Giving to others is supposed to make you feel sad and depressed.

Thats how I feel when giving to others and the others are IRS, state and county governments, etc getting my tax dollars

Many people I know go un-noticed and want it that way when they give or perform a charitable act. Unfortunately, if someone who is rich gives, the media has a field day and makes it headline news. Thats the price they pay for being in the limelight.

 

[mygoldens]

Ya, he is grinning with my money!

All the money I wasted on the iPhone is in his pocket, so he is grinning.

All the extra money I spend on Mac vs PC products, he is grinning with my money in his pocket.

What a story........

 

[appleseed76]

Man whatever... He gave us the Mac man! If you seen him working out of his parents garage you'd know that! Of course there are employess WTF? Duh!
He also went and started yet another pltform in the Next so what have you done? I've made 3 gold and 1 not so gold albums... At least some contribute to the world in a way as to at least enjoy it... all you contribute are rediculous post on mac rumors. You really don't need to give any history lessons.

I've seen the pictures of Jobs working out of his garage with Woz, who incidentally was the brains of the project. What they were working on was the first Apple computer, not the Macintosh. So apparently I do have to give a history lesson. Just use your favorite search engine, type in the name Jef Raskin, and read. He is the father of the original Macintosh Computer.

As far as contributing to society goes, I only shape the youth of tomorrow. No big deal. I come from the same background as the people that probably taught you how to sing, dance, or play a musical instrument. Unless of course you're self taught. I don't want to assume to know who you are. That would be foolish. By the way, there's no 'e' in the word ridiculous.

 

[Theophany]

Well, feeling good for having helped fight disease in Africa is certainly a motive. I'm not sure if it is an "ulterior" motive...or even why that distinction matters. But I don't see why you seem to think that this cheapens the donation...and, in fact, it doesn't cheapen the donation. Every act that people do is for *some* motive. This doesn't make all acts somehow equal however.

I mean, Bill had a motive for donating $30 B to charity. SJ has a motive for not giving much to charity. Do you believe that not giving to charity is just as good as giving to charity?

Yes, it is a motive. Some people get their kicks from the dopamine hit of knowing they've done a good thing. All acts have a motive, conscious or subconscious that in some way benefits the person performing said act. Don't get me wrong, I didn't ever say that handfuls of billionaire's donating sums from their amassed fortunes was a bad thing, I was just highlighting the fact that it's not as altruistic as they would like the public to believe.

Don't flatter yourself. You're not a realist; in fact, you are incapable of understanding certain fundamental distinctions in how the world works. The fact that every act produces some "benefit" for the doer does not mean that every act is morally equal.

Otherwise, you end up with the sophomoric idea that, say, giving up a lucrative urban medical practice, moving to Africa, and helping diseased children from a simple shack with no running water is morally *no better* than staying in your $500k job and living in luxury, since the fact that you gave up the lucrative job must mean that you found greater benefit in living in poverty and helping people.

Or is that what you believe?

Chill down man. I'm not even going to bother with the personal attacks, purely because there is no way you can make such assumptions on the basis of a single post you have taken great offence to. You're inferring things I have not actually implied.

But to get back to it, I'd like to see more than a couple of instances where what you have described has actually happened. I cannot honestly see professionals giving up high-powered jobs in order to pursue the same career in a place where they will be unable to generate anything like the same kind of income. It's just not rational. The reason people like Warren Buffet, Bill Gates et al donate as much as they do is because they can and it is not going to negatively affect their financial lives at all. Such charity is the exclusive luxury of those with the untold wealth to afford it. I'm not asserting that there is no moral differentiation between such acts, what I'm pointing out is that there is always some personal gain to be made in some way.

Sophomoric? Hardly. These ideas find roots in the vast majority of sociology, political science, economics and psychology work out there today.

 

[dejo]

SJ has a motive for not giving much to charity.

How do you know he doesn't give much to charity? Just because he doesn't publicly proclaim it?

 

[uber_nerd]

Jumping to conclusions

One of the world's richest men, and (so far) nothing on the record as far as charitable donations go. He might be giving behind closed doors, but if he isn't, I find it sad that a man with more money than he could even spend can't find it in his heart to give just a little.

All speculation. Not all philanthropists make their names known, in fact it used to be the standard etiquette towards giving. Realize of us have any evidence either way.

Maybe he is a tight-fisted bastard, maybe he gives anonymously? Who knows.

 

[RazHyena]

In many countries you get tax cuts if you donate money to charity or use it for charity work. You get discounts for comunity service. People have self gratification in doing something good. You even get taught this at tertiary institutes.

A motive isnt always bad, youve been watching to much Anime.

Mmm, no. I avoid anime like the plague.

Cool story, bro.

 

[riscy]

Hell, if I was 136th I would be bummed

 

[Ugg]

As for Gates, he wasn’t very charitable until he married Melinda. She’s often overlooked, but the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was her big idea and Bill Gates has acknowledged that many times.

Exactly. It's Melinda that drives the charitable giving.

 

[BaldiMac]

I don't think it is even close to the most reasonable post in this thread. It's a shame that many don't attempt to assuage his rhetoric

You are reading into what he said based on his history and your own expectations. This individual post was reasonable.

Diminishing what he has done would be equivalent to diminishing Apple's accomplishments with any successful iDevice because they have a huge R and D budget.

Nothing in the post that I quoted diminishes what his charity work has accomplished.

 

[63dot]

I know that Steve Jobs has arrived!

How do I know Steve Jobs is now in the rich man's club that usually includes Gates, Allen, Buffett, and a few others?

Just look at all the references and comparisons to Bill Gates.

 

[krzyglue]

For a start you don't have your meaning of words right. A Matyr is somebody who dies for their faith or belief.

And by your first statement I could say its okay what Bush did. I mean, he was only helping America.

Can you cite examples where Mr. Gates´s actions have actively and directly hurt those that go against his cause? I certainly can in Mr. Bush´s case...

 

[seedster2]

You are reading into what he said based on his history and your own expectations. This individual post was reasonable.



Nothing in the post that I quoted diminishes what his charity work has accomplished.

I still wouldnt call it one of the most reasonable. Although many of the posts to follow have become more silly.


I am not implying you diminished his charity work, I am saying others have.

 

[dukebound85]

are people really trying to put a negative spin on the charity Bill Gates participates in?

Unbelievable

 

[str1f3]

Actually, you're the one who doesn't make sense.

You're asking the folks here at MacRumors when the MacBook Pro is going to be updated?

Sorry, we don't know. We'll never know. Apple (with a few exceptions like the iPhone and iPad) does not discuss unreleased products. You might as well consult the Magic 8-Ball or your pet iguana for such answers.

As others have mentioned, the irony of you spending your time commenting on a thread that you find useless is far more entertaining than the mindless fanboy drivel typically found on this website.

Thanks for putting a smile on my face! Carry on!

Are you mentally challenged or something? Did you not read my post? Did I actually ask anyone for when a new MBP will be released? Is this all you have?

Again, as you have missed, I wasn't just commenting on this thread. I was questioning MacRumors post of this article. Maybe your beliefs are to be silent when you disagree but that's not mine. I criticize in the hope of change.

You have lost the argument against me. Hopefully you are a kid because, at best, your argument is poor. You have some learning left to do. If all you do is read MR I suggest you read kdarling or AidenShaw on how to make a proper arguement. These are intellectuals.