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ok, i have enjoyed speculating over what new thing apple is going to come out with.

but this is a person we're talking about here. stock share, corporate future... none of that is important when compared with a human life.

if you're trying to find some sort of hidden meaning behind this letter because you are afraid of losing money or because you want to keep getting your fancy gadgets - i'm sorry, but that is deplorable.

i think steve jobs is a highly private person, and doesn't like his personal issues to be flaunted around the media - or the cesspool of rumor mills. he obviously only wrote what he felt he had to, and to me it's a sad reflection on our society that he felt he had to.

please be considerate before you start speculating about someone's life and health - keep your own dignity and let him keep his.


Oh please. When you're making the kind of money running the kind of company he is, your private life is no longer private. He's not running a private company, he's running a company that millions of American's have a LOT of money invested in. He's rich - if he really doesn't want to answer questions to shareholders then frickin retire and move on to something else.

the CEO works for the stockholders, and they shouldn't forget it.

I would say the same thing if Warren Buffet had a cancer or some other major health problem that was withheld from the stockholders - certain companies live and die by the CEO and Apple is clearly (at least in the short term) one of these.

As I said in my first post, I wish only the best for Mr. Jobs and his family, I dealt with pancreatic cancer up front and personal like probably nobody else in this discussion has. However that is personal, and business is business. He doesn't have a right, no matter how much he likes his privacy, to mislead the public. Some here obviously feel he has not, and none of us really know. However, my tought is that if a man of that money checked into the Mayo clinic with unexplained wt loss after cancer, he would have an answer within 2-4 weeks, tops.
 
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what do you mean by that? :confused:

i didn't write the title like that...the moderators changed my original title.

Sorry, I wasn't really paying attention to who started and who edited what. I just noticed that it had changed and copy pasted from the first box. It was supposed to be clever and witty. Not a jab.
 
the CEO works for the stockholders, and they shouldn't forget it.

Works? Yes.
Lives? No.

I am glad to hear that Steve's health is going to improve, but I don't think it was all that important for us to know.
 
Works? Yes.
Lives? No.

I am glad to hear that Steve's health is going to improve, but I don't think it was all that important for us to know.

I agree. When business becomes our life, or when we are owned by our company - we may as well be dead.

It all comes down to what life is about - and it makes me sad that people can dehumanize others with demands on them because of some perceived obligation.

In the grand narrative of the world, Apple is pretty inconsequential. I choose to value a human over the self-absorbed and greedy financial and business system we have.

I guess it's just a matter of perspective.
 
Read between the lines here folks...

Jobs and Apple have been saying for a year that it was nothing significant. NOT knowing the cause of mass weight loss IS significant.

Obviously it has grown WORSE since you last saw Steve and finally a few weeks ago became important enough that he had to make fixing the problem his #1 priority. Again while I applaud his decision and assume that the doctor's new diagnosis will help cure the problem, this statement doesn't imply the simple, insignificant issues that Apple and Steve tried to portray for the last year.

A persons health care is a private issue, no doubt. However when the person runs a multi-billion dollar publicly traded company it is inappropriate and ILLEGAL to make false statements that could impact stock price, and that included implying a health issue isn't significant when it is now crystal clear it is.

This is a perfect example of no matter what Steve says, people are going to interpret it the way they want to.

When did his weight loss become "mass" weight loss? You insert "mass" in there as your own interpretation. And yes, not knowing the cause of why you can't gain any weight is troubling but again, significance as to whether or not he is still able to fulfill his duties as CEO is your interpretation.

Steve says he is fine, don't worry, he'll be the first to step down if he can't do the job. The Board says the same. What is it that people want to hear to stop fueling these rumors of his demise? It's a no-win situation it seems.
 
How ANYONE has the audacity to rate this article negative is completely ridiculous and is beneath me. Such nerve, ANYONE AND EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR PRIVACY ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THEIR HEALTH. Steve Jobs being a CEO or whatever IS STILL A HUMAN BEING. Maybe some of you should put yourself in his shoes. If you had cancer do you want to broadcast that to the entire world. When you're sick, you don't want the whole world in on it and you don't want the whole world bothering you!
 
Hmmm, as a physician, I'm still trying to decipher Steve's message. First of all, it is NOT his thyroid gland. Cross this off the list as this would be one of the very first tests to run. You wouldn't finally diagnoss hyperthyroidism after one year. Second, it's very interesting it took almost a year to come up with a diagnosis. This does not bode well as this diagnosis is either a very obscure disease or a diagnosis of exclusion (read: We know what it is NOT, but we still don't really know the diagnosis, so we'll cause it disease X so we still look good).

Now, he did have part of his small intestine taken out (and likely part of his stomach too). This could certainly cause weight loss, but this wouldn't appear so late in the game. He could be suffering from vitamin B12 deficiency, but I don't think this would cause such a large weight loss. There is an entity called protein-losing enteropathy where basically your body spills protein from the gut - and based on his description, this may be what he has. But this is a syndrome (there are many different causes for this) and his physicians would likely still have to dig around for the root of the cause. His treatment would likely be nutritional - just keep putting in protein faster than it is coming out.

Nevertheless, we should all wish Steve the very best in his recovery and remember that the fate of the company does not solely rest on his shoulders. I wish Phil good luck too.

We need to get Dr. House on the case, pronto! :D
 
This is a perfect example of no matter what Steve says, people are going to interpret it the way they want to.

When did his weight loss become "mass" weight loss? You insert "mass" in there as your own interpretation. And yes, not knowing the cause of why you can't gain any weight is troubling but again, significance as to whether or not he is still able to fulfill his duties as CEO is your interpretation.

Steve says he is fine, don't worry, he'll be the first to step down if he can't do the job. The Board says the same. What is it that people want to hear to stop fueling these rumors of his demise? It's a no-win situation it seems.

Couldn't agree more,as long as a CEO isn't intentionally damaging the interests of shareholders then there can be no calls of impropriety. Further, there doesn't seem to be such an outcry with regards to Jobs' position on the Disney board being compromised (although I don't frequent Disneyrumors.com). Also "mass weight loss" is a totally non-sensical phrase.
 
All the best to Steve and family, hope he gets better very soon.

He went through a lot with the Pancreatic cancer and it's still not known whether he had the infamous Whipple Procedure or not, it would explain a lot about the weight loss.
 
How ANYONE has the audacity to rate this article negative is completely ridiculous and is beneath me. Such nerve, ANYONE AND EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR PRIVACY ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THEIR HEALTH. Steve Jobs being a CEO or whatever when he gets home after hours he is STILL A HUMAN BEING. Maybe some of you should put yourself in his shoes. If you had cancer do you want to broadcast that to the entire world? NO. When you're sick, you don't want the whole world in on it and you don't want the whole world bothering you!

I imagine they're trying to illicit a response like yours...
 
Just wanted to add my list to the growing number of 'condolences' to a person who revolutionised not only the IT industry - but also, business in general.

Steve, I wish you all the best and I hope you have a speedy recovery. I believe that you have the right team, the right resources for when you choose to resign/retire.

All the best.
 
I think it was appropriate for him to wait until they had correctly diagnosed the problem before going public with it. Could you have imagined if he had said "I'm losing wait and don't know why.. but I'll still be CEO!", God.

Here's hoping 'Steve is dying' threads die out because of this. ;)

Exactly. But the stock-holding idiots who drive the price down NEVER think of things like this. It's always short-term. Short- term NEVER works in business, which is why there never seems to be companies these days with steady growth or operation.

Except mine, of course. 24 years in business, steady or minor up and down growth, always looking ahead instead of at the short term, never biting off more than can be chewed.

IT WORKS.

I agree. When business becomes our life, or when we are owned by our company - we may as well be dead.

It all comes down to what life is about - and it makes me sad that people can dehumanize others with demands on them because of some perceived obligation.

In the grand narrative of the world, Apple is pretty inconsequential. I choose to value a human over the self-absorbed and greedy financial and business system we have.

I guess it's just a matter of perspective.

Amen brother.

Couldn't agree more,as long as a CEO isn't intentionally damaging the interests of shareholders then there can be no calls of impropriety. Further, there doesn't seem to be such an outcry with regards to Jobs' position on the Disney board being compromised (although I don't frequent Disneyrumors.com). Also "mass weight loss" is a totally non-sensical phrase.

Funny how those who think Steve should spill the beans on every pimple growing on his ass NEVER mention the "effect" on Disney!

I hate to break it to you, but we are all dying. :rolleyes: I don't think Steve Jobs has ever laid claim to immortality.

But feel free to continue your deathwatch.

In fact, he even said once in an interview, "We're all going to die really soon. It's true."

And there you have it.

As is my usual wont to cut through the BS, here is my take on the "news":<snip conspiracy nut drivel>

Every forum has it's King Troll. You've proven yourself a highly resourceful one, and I nominate you. Congrats!

especially when it's basically because of a single person's rumored catastrophic health issues. AAPL is a great investment. They are one of the most financially sound tech companies out there now. I do own a small number of shares but I guess I'm not a typical investor. I tend to just buy something and let it sit for a few years. if I make money, great. If not, o well. I just wish I had the money to buy up some stocks sooner :)

You're the typical, long-term SMART investor; not one of these stock-shorting dolts who only care about making a few bucks at the expense of great companies. These people have large investments in blood pressure medicine as well :)
 
Jobs is only getting $1 salary and a large AAPL shareholder himself so give him a break. Some people think Jobs is not healthy, yet they think he's responsible for all successful AAPL products, sounds like a contradiction to me.
 
I understand what he is dealing with, I had an uncle that had this surgery, and the same thing happen to him. After a few trips to Mayo they go it pinned down. Not everyone responds to the same treatments. But it sounds like Steve has found a path.

Hopefully he will make a speedy recovery. Not for the sake of Apple but for the sake of his kids, wife and family. Steve is human and those poking fun and wishing him ill really should grow up. He's a human before anything else, even if you don't like him how could you wish something bad on some. It's not like he's hitler or some other monster.

Show some compassion.
 
Please stop.

Oh please. When you're making the kind of money running the kind of company he is, your private life is no longer private. He's not running a private company, he's running a company that millions of American's have a LOT of money invested in. He's rich - if he really doesn't want to answer questions to shareholders then frickin retire and move on to something else.

the CEO works for the stockholders, and they shouldn't forget it.

I would say the same thing if Warren Buffet had a cancer or some other major health problem that was withheld from the stockholders - certain companies live and die by the CEO and Apple is clearly (at least in the short term) one of these.

What part of IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS is not clear to you? Just because YOU say he's "rich" his life is an open door, there is no legal basis requiring any such disclosure, despite what some posters continue to say. It's a corporation, not Jobs personal fiefdom. Just because he has a personality doesn't change that.

Maybe we should demand an actuarial time clock accompany corporate information---clicking down how many days the CEO has left. And why stop there---the VP, COO, the Board Members and mailroom clerks too, as they all affect corporate performance.
 
I sympathize with his situation, I went through the same crap last year except instead of a year it took them 4 months, but then again I was getting tested constantly and as busy as he is I doubt its as regularly. And even if you are capable of doing your duties, when you are sick and losing weight and have no reason why it takes a lot out of you and is more than frustrating. Nor do you feel compelled to let everyone know whats going on, so the fact that he had to come out and say all this is a shame.

Steve I'm sorry you are going through this, its not fun, take your time with your family, heres to a speedy recovery and I am excited to see the keynote because this company is so popular because of you.
 
If the explanation is so innocent, why isn't he keynoting? Maybe it's implicit that his health isn't the best and that having Schiller do the keynote is a continuation of him giving up more and more control as time goes on, not because of acute illness but because of a general knowledge that he seems to have a propensity toward illness at this stage of his life.

Well idk, how bout you prepare for a few weeks to give a huge two hour speech under incredibly hot lights to a loud room. Its stressful, amazingly stressful, something someone who isn't completely healthy probably wouldn't want to do or shouldn't do.


It amazes me how many people REFUSE to believe this, like they somehow have a better source.:rolleyes:
 
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