personally i dont have any stats - so i dont know who to believe, care to post some that backup your side of things?
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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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Oh yes... only the retail aisle space at Fry's for Blu-ray is increasing at exponential levels.
Because Fry's is smart because they're flying out of the stores. I buy 10-40 at a time every month, flipping off Jobs the whole time.
Frankly, I'm not sure that it really matters. Specifically, just consider what's been said:
A: BD adoption is growing (however fast)
B: Sales of (BD+DVD) is in decline (-15%).
Thus (A + B) suggests that BD is cannibalizing DVD sales in what's a shrinking pie of overall sales.
And how strong this cannibalization is is merely a TBD based on (A)...the key point is that it's still cannibalization. And the overall shrinking part can be attributed in part to the Economy, but not necessarily all of it - what's unknown is the consumer behavior:
(C) is he "buying a new horse" (replacing their existing DVD movie library), or
(D) simply "jumping horses" (moving to the newer BD technology)?
No, I don't know this answer either, but it is IMO clear that this C-vs-D question is important because it's what's needed to gage the relationship between the reported -15% versus the severity of the Economic downturn to understand if there's really going to be a good opportunity for a sales rebound for BD/DVD media in the future (ie, big or none).
FWIW, it seems somewhat plausible to postulate (yes, this is a bit of a reach) that the recession may actually play into Apple's strategy, because it helps suppress physical media sales, which may give broadband distribution technology more time to catch up on its bandwidth shortcomings and thus, have a smaller installed base with which to compete against.
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I did. I could swear I stated that on a forum somewhere, but I'm having a hard time finding it. It was clear by Jan of 2006 that Toshiba had already lost. That was 3 months before they shipped a single unit. They had 1 studio, BD had many. KO. Just took them 2 years to fall down.
It's really pretty basic.
Err.. they were all over the page you just read. There even was a graph posted (though speculative). Look at Ollyw's post for links.
Here's the graph (you can clearly see the "industry" not growing at all):
You seriously think buying BD is giving jobs the middle finger? Bloody hell thats sad. Whats sadder is that your posts suggests that you think jobs gives a toss.
68.5% greater than what?
Not necessarily substantial, if the initial numbers are small, by comparison
Still comparatively small, by comparison to DVD sales.
Here's a comparison chart which puts things into perspective:
In the USA, Blu-Ray still has a long way to go.
The real stats, as in the ones you re-posted from 2013?
In the USA, Blu-Ray still has a long way to go.
The real stats, as in the ones you re-posted from 2013?
LOL, since you post a chart that ends in mid-2009 - when we're now in the latter half of 2010!
For smart investors, the slope of the curve is more important than the height of the line.
Yes, 68.5% growth is monumental. Sorry if it doesn't match the turtlenecked one's world view.
By your logic, the wilted slope would trigger an analyst's 'downgrade.'
Blu-ray sales up 91 percent in first half of 2009
Being that 68.5% (2010) is a 22.5% decrease from the year prior, the upward slope you speak of, would have become somewhat less 'upright,' from this perspective.
BTW, I happen to love Blu-Ray, that is, on a large HD screen, and a sound system capable of reaping its benefits.
Being that BD sales contain an accompanying DVD or digital copy, watching the same movies on a Mac remains a 'non-issue.'
The real question should be which one is winning now DL/stream or bd.
http://www.dvdinformation.com/pressreleases/2009/f_2Q10release.pdf
DL/VOD rose 23% to 1.1 billion.
Bd rose 112% (last quarter) to 982 million.
It's pretty safe to say that bd will win for next couple of years.
Or will Sep 1st change everything once again like never before?
Jobs means nothing to me, and you, even less.
I moved on from Apple a long time ago. Just tying up some loose ends here and there.
DL rose 37% to 285 million according to that paper. VOD includes cable and satellite video-on-demand - so it's a different technology and segment.
It's interesting (and not surprising) that buying and renting sees a distinct difference in sales between Blu-ray and downloads.
Blu-ray sales of $733million for the 1st half of the year comfortably exceed the $285million for digital downloads. Yet when it comes to rentals and video on demand then it's reversed with Blu-ray only taking $249million compared to $865 for VOD.
If you are buying to keep then the higher quality Blu-ray is winning but the convenience of VOD triumphs if you only want to watch it the once.
Personally, for me the higher quality of BD movies triumphs even if I only plan to watch it once.
It's a lot cheaper than two tickets to the cinema (even without popcorn and a drink), and I don't have to deal with the behaviour of some of the other patrons at the theatre. (Kids, talking, texting, ....)
Apple joined the Blu-Ray forum in 2005. They did not join the HD-DVD forum.
As someone already posted, HD-DVD's hand was weak from launch and the only thing keeping it afloat was the delay of the PS3 launch. For those few months before the PS3 that was the only time it looked like it had a bright future.
It was obvious Blu-Ray would win when they won Warner away from the HD-DVD camp. That happened around New Year's 2008, almost 3 years ago, and surely the rumblings behind the scenes happened months prior.
Then at CES 2008 it was over (the HD-DVD people were stunned by Warner's defection and cancelled their exhibit and press conferences), also nearly 3 years ago.
To go back to Steve's puck analogy, Apple didn't know where the puck was going so it didn't even lace up.
Jobs means nothing to me, and you, even less.
I moved on from Apple a long time ago. Just tying up some loose ends here and there.
Wow, you're more predictable than a linear algebraic pattern.
Jobs, Apple and I obviously mean more than nothing to you, and how on earth is trolling these forums tying up lose ends, if nothing else they create more lose ends.
minor clarification
The pre-show HD-DVD press event was cancelled, but the exhibit was already set up in LVCC.
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http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/10/hd-dvd-booth-tour/
It was pretty gloomy though, in stark contrast to the crowds at the nearby Blu-ray Disc group's booth.
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http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/10/blu-rays-ces-2008-booth-tour/
Note the Apple logo on the banner, right next to Dell
The pre-show HD-DVD press event was cancelled, but the exhibit was already set up in LVCC.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/10/hd-dvd-booth-tour/
It was pretty gloomy though, in stark contrast to the crowds at the nearby Blu-ray Disc group's booth.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/10/blu-rays-ces-2008-booth-tour/
Note the Apple logo on the banner, right next to Dell
Apple did support HD-DVD early on, but only with SD media. In DVD studio Pro you can write HD media to an SD disc, which played back on HD DVD players. At is about as far as apple went into supporting it.
And we all know know about their blu ray support.
I liked HD DVD over Blu-Ray, region free, same quality, less DRM. A little less space, but that was changing. They also had hybrid DVD/HD DVDs which were nice too. Also, no annoying intros or coming attractions, the movie just played when it went into the player.
HD DVD had a major advantage early on, but they botched it completely. The PS3 is really what did it in, because if you got rid of that game system blu-Ray standalone player adoption was awful for a long time.
I don't recall anything about easier to rip. Both were new formats requiring new ripping software and new hardware. It was easier to mfgr HDDVD, which was about the only thing propping it up for 2 years. Bluray offered slightly more on-disc option potential, and hyped it better, that may have influenced the studios, not sure.
Not at first, so this wasn't much issue for the war. 50GB discs took a while to begin coming out, while HDDVD was 2 layer from day one, so it actually had higher capacity than BD.
Ditto. Except I Netflix the once I plan to watch only once.
BD disc adoption was awful even with the PS3. HDDVD was ahead at first due to price.
Bluray won on its support. The studios were either going to make HD discs or not. When they finally decided to keep it going, Bluray had more studios already signed up. It won.
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