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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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I've gotta say, even I, a widescreen purist who considers pan and scan to be the Devil's aspect ratio, have a hard time telling the difference between 16:9 and 1:85.1.
There is an example on this page, if you scroll down to the picture of Denzel Washington and Lieb Shriver http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=901904&page=3
You're absolutely right, it's not a 16x9 frame, but the difference is microscopic.
The problem with Blue Ray is that the rest of the world is going digital. I own a Blue Ray player and an Apple TV. I use the Apple TV much more often as I can download movies when I want to see them without the hassle of running to a store. I also do not need to store physical discs. Blue ray is the best visually but I really like the on demand concept much much better.
He means digital as opposed to physical discs. Meaning you dont own anything, just a vague right to watch a video if the owner feels like letting you.
But you will have to understand that some ISPs are capping user's download rates. Better hope your ISP doesn't do that to you. Would have to suck to pay extra to watch more than a few movies a month.
I read it and know the stuff and like real geometry in the pictures.
Btw, did you know that "Hollywood stuff" that is usually referred as 2.35 has been 2.39 from early 70's?
Hd is 16:9 by definition, both 1080p/i & 720p.
All hd sensors are 16:9.
Even DCI specs have 16:9 AR, so in that sense also "theather stuff" can be 16:9.
I was talking about active picture resolution which makes anamorphic dvd-picture with widescreen content so much better than (s-)vhs, that didn't usually had any anamorphic content.
(Although I do still have star wars in anamorphic svhs recorded from movie channel.)
It's going back a bit in now-obsolete tech, but they definitely exceeded 5.1.
Dolby and DTS offerred "ES" soundtracks that matrixed a rear center channel in the rears (applying the same type of algorithm as Dolby Pro Logic to extract the new channel).
DTS offerred also DTS ES Discrete, which offerred a discrete surround rear channel and using matrixing like above could product 7.1 output.
Not many DVDs actually used these advanced forms, the ones I can think of are Star Wars prequels and T2. I believe they are backwards compatible with the 5.1 signals so it doesn't violate the spec.
It wasn't entirely different. DIVX muddied the waters by offering the ability to "own" certain titles by paying an upgrade fee, placing it in direct competition with DVD. Further, there was the issue of studio exclusivity that I mentioned. Fox, Paramount, and Disney would not release titles on DVD because they chose to support DIVX.
I had Laserdisc too and it was even less in common with DVD -- side breaks, RF modulated digital audio, chroma bleeding, disc price -- it had its own problems.
So let me guess, YOU have a 15" screen.
How about me, with my 30" cinema display?
How about if I hooked my Mac up to my 65" TV?
Or how about if I bought a 27" iMac?
Oh... You didn't understand that you're not the center of the universe. lulz?
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with overscan? Turn it off if you can and you will see the difference.
But it's not always a precise technology. Most film is still 2:3, 4:3, or 1:1 square in shape. The various ARs are created with cropping and/or anamorphic lenses when using film, and really, anything goes once they get in post production. As mentioned above, they are often not exactly 1.85 or 2.35 ratios. HD video for TV is a little more exact since it is digitally recorded with precise pixels at 16:9. But a lot is still filmed.
Yeah, but it has the OT. The real OT in pretty good quality.
(if you don't know what that means, you don't need to)
Pirating thieves don't amount to a milliliter of excrement, and they never will.
THAT particular business model and motivation of Mr. Jobs will soon be going the way of the dinosaur.
COUNT on it.
No market penetration?!?!?
Maybe in America and other developing countries...
But certainly not here in Europe!
In my country (Switzerland) nowadays even 720p TV's are being sold in sizes below 25" only.
People literally throw away their perfectly working old SD TV's!
Last week my sister picked up a 26" 100 Hz Panasonic someone just brought to the recycling station. The guy said the set is still fine, but he had it replaced with a larger Full HD TV.
If their dvd player breaks, people replace it with a BD model because they are backwards compatible and can be found for the same price as a good (and already hard to find) middle class dvd player. Then they try out the free BD disc(s) often included with the machine and immediately get hooked. Because on a large 1080p screen the benefit is obvious - even to a layman!
The last thing Joe and Jane Consumer want, is having to buy an external BD drive and fumbling with ripping, just for being able to watch movies they already own (!) on their expensive Apple devices. So much for the famous Apple convenience...
Quality issues aside, paid download content still seems much more restricted than any physical disc.
While you can play dvd's from all over the world on your dirt cheap Chinese codefree player and the vast majority of BD titles are codefree anyway, just try buying Amazon.com download movies from Europe or iTS content (including music) from another country. Heck, you cannot even get your legally paid foreign Digital Copy activated. Huge fail!
In order to become a true GLOBAL success, paid download content must first achieve similar versatility and availability as the good old Digital Versatile Disc has.
Illegal downloads already have said advantage and the plus of being free!
So yes, download movies are indeed a worldwide success - just not for paid content...
More and more film is used in 2-perf or 3-perf mode with amorphic lenses or even s16mm and with anamorphic there's not much headroom to start with.
Also when film is scanned in 4k 48-bit colors file sizes are so huge that most of non-active picture area gets cropped away.
And all post production is done digitally, so all film gets scanned.
So the situation is quite different compared good old times when movie got filmed in normal35 with open matte and half of the negative is outside the active area.
I've learned to live with the fact that most people want to fill their screens no matter the real geometry or directors and cinematographers esthetic framing.
This is why very few filmmakers can say no to pan&scan.
Also re-framing is nothing new. There was time when widescreen version were only shown with 70mm projectors and smaller theathers got only 35mm with academy aperture and mono sound.
i love that people are still posting on this thread, i left it about 1000 replies ago
i'm still on the blu ray side, STILL hoping the people who want their downloadable content will relax, stop crying, and not argue with us about wanting to have blu ray on our macs!
BR for the win!
i'm still on the blu ray side, STILL hoping the people who want their downloadable content will relax, stop crying, and not argue with us about wanting to have blu ray on our macs!
BR for the win!
Agreed. And I do want Blu-Ray for my 13-inch Macbook so, quite frankly, I don't have to buy everything twice!
I care because you can't safely stow a 40" plasma in the overhead compartment or underneath the seat in front of you during take off and landing
Anyone who says "Who watches Blu-Ray on a 15" screen" is missing the point.
You know that you have a lot of a failure in your argument and do not understand it is ratio of screen size to viewing distance from the screen.
15in laptop screen you are going to be around 2-3ft from it. In that range you get the full benefit of 1080p.
I care because you can't safely stow a 40" plasma in the overhead compartment or underneath the seat in front of you during take off and landing
Anyone who says "Who watches Blu-Ray on a 15" screen" is missing the point.
rip it or buy it on itunes. unless you have a power outlet in your seat you have to be crazy to use an optical drive on an aircraft
You Can't rip a bluray on a mac. That would require them having a Blu-Ray drive and the OS being able to play the movie.
If I am reading what you are suggesting is for him to buy the movie twice?
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