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But apple care is great.
It provides you with less service, cost more money and more easily denied than the warranties other companies like Dell provided.

I am not sure about that. A friend of mine just had a 2007 15" MBP replaced with a brand new ( at the time ) 2009 15" MBP when Apple was not able to fix his display issues. I was with him when the Apple store manager handed the brand new MBP to him. He swears by Apple Care for all in one items like iMacs and laptops.

On the flip side, the friend with the MBP had a friend who bought a new Dell machine that arrived defective. He had to fight tooth and nail to get a replacement only to receive a refurbished Dell even though he had purchased a brand new Dell.
 
About Apple care... (bit off topic :D)

Yea it was worth it for me. My 2007 Macbook got:

1x new Logic Board (would not start up any more)
1x new screen (complete top assembly, because screen started to show stains in backlight)
1x new fan (started rattling)
1x new DVD drive (would not burn any more)
2nd time new screen (first replacement was totally washed out, like 64k colors, the second one was incredible... good)

Total of 2 visits to certified Apple service provider. Don't want to think of what this all would have cost me without AppleCare. 1600£?

Now always AppleCare for iMacs and MacBooks, not sure it's worth it for iPhone and iPad though. Any advice?
 
My 2007 Macbook got:

1x new Logic Board (would not start up any more)
1x new screen (complete top assembly, because screen started to show stains in backlight)
1x new fan (started rattling)
1x new DVD drive (would not burn any more)
2nd time new screen (first replacement was totally washed out, like 64k colors, the second one was incredible... good)

If any of my computers ever had so many issues, I wouldn't even want another from that manufacturer. My Macbook got a case fan replaced under the normal warranty and now the Superdrive that's acting up that I just don't care enough about.

Applecare, or what is commonly known as extended warranties, is a cash grab. It works off the insurance model where everyone pays X and the program pays Y which is always lower than X. Otherwise, you start seeing exclusions get thrown in until Y is lower than X.
 
Applecare, or what is commonly known as extended warranties, is a cash grab. It works off the insurance model where everyone pays X and the program pays Y which is always lower than X. Otherwise, you start seeing exclusions get thrown in until Y is lower than X.

Exactly. It's only worth it if you own very few Macs and/or bet couldn't afford the repair cost.

We've had nearly 20 Macs, never bought Applecare, and probably had only 1-2 issues that had to be fixed outside warranty, all of which were likely cheaper than Applecare itself.

Even if our next few Macs die completely a day outside warranty, we are still ahead. Given that the complete cost of a computer is relatively cheap, if you maintain enough banked cash to replace your Mac in a worst-case scenario, you will always be ahead of how you would be if you got Applecare.

...to bad I can't play that game with car/house insurance. :p
 
I didn't think it was required seeing how everyone raves about Apple quality and all. In the end an external USB burner will be cheaper.

EDIT: wait a minute... Applecare is 300$ for a Macbook. You're seriously suggesting I should have forked over 300$ to Apple in case a 150$ part (that should be around 40$) just randomly decided to die earlier than it should but after the standard 1 year warranty ?

Did you really just suggest this ? Wow, with a snarky and arrogant tone too. Seriously, next time, just don't post if you're not going to post anything of value.
Hey, don't feel so bad about not getting AppleCare. I did, and the PB waited patiently until it had expired (and I didn't renew) before the superdrive went AWOL. Them's the breaks, I guess.
 
Umm, I am well aware of the specs. Thanks for pointing out the obvious genius. Why don't you get up to speed on some facts and read the CNET article below.

Apple TV isn't 1080p and you shouldn't care
by Matthew Moskovciak

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20015427-1.html

While the article makes a good point about the myth of perceived quality based only on resolution, it makes it sound as if higher resolution and good bitrate are mutually exclusive.

For a large home theatre setup, you would still want high-bitrate, quality 1080p.
 
We've had nearly 20 Macs, never bought Applecare, and probably had only 1-2 issues that had to be fixed outside warranty, all of which were likely cheaper than Applecare itself.
Ditto. The one time I bought Applecare (as noted above), the computer was fine until the extended warranty expired. I only got the warranty because I was lugging the thing around and figured it was more likely to get damaged than a desktop. None of my other Macs have had extended Applecare, nor will any of my future ones.

I once bought an extended warranty on a car. The only things that went wrong with it weren't covered (natch!) :rolleyes:
 
Umm, I am well aware of the specs. Thanks for pointing out the obvious genius. Why don't you get up to speed on some facts and read the CNET article below.

Apple TV isn't 1080p and you shouldn't care
by Matthew Moskovciak

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20015427-1.html

i couldnt help but lol at the immaturity and close-mindedness attitude of your reply. thanks for the laughs.

seriously, an article from cnet? you cant be in primary school as there are no pictures in the article - im guessing high school? ;)

seriouslyx2, lighten up man. i was clearly joking. i REFUSE to resort to 720p - because of
1. resolution limitation (your article doesnt even mention ANYTHING to say why its "better") and
2. :apple:TV is limited to profile 3.1.

i dont know about you, but i prefer to see full quality of my BD rips ;)

need i say more?
 
I agree with you 100%. Since ripping my DVD collection to a NAS, I enjoy not having my home theater cluttered with media anymore. I am also looking forward to Apple TV.

Irony in gloating about ripping physical media being so great, no? You can't pop a Blu-Ray into a Mac to view or rip as sold by Apple.

I've had Apple TV since it was announced, the only thing it's good for is remote speakers for iTunes. 720p is garbage compared to Blu-Ray, and the 720p you can download on iTunes is substandard low-bitrate compressed-to-hell junk.

Also, I once explored ripping my 300+ DVDs to my NAS, which has about 5TB storage. Not enough room, and eventually you realize you're wasting valuable disk space on movies you rarely ever watch. I ran out of room and ditched the rips because, well, I already have the discs.

While the article makes a good point about the myth of perceived quality based only on resolution, it makes it sound as if higher resolution and good bitrate are mutually exclusive.

For a large home theatre setup, you would still want high-bitrate, quality 1080p.

Not to mention, Apple's video content on iTunes is already notorious for its low bitrate and horrendous compression. The article was written by someone who has admittedly never even used the product, and the argument is usually one put forth by people who don't have and have never seen good 1080p content.
 
seriouslyx2, lighten up man. i was clearly joking.

Alright, no worries.

i REFUSE to resort to 720p - because of


1. resolution limitation (your article doesnt even mention ANYTHING to say why its "better") and
2. :apple:TV is limited to profile 3.1.

i dont know about you, but i prefer to see full quality of my BD rips ;)

need i say more?

I respect your preferences. But don't knock me because I choose a 720p device. The Apple TV is about convenience for me. It will be hooked up to a secondary plasma display (50" and under category) and not my primary home theater rig. I have watched 720p streams from Netflix via my PS3 on my main rig and they looked pretty damn good - this was on a HD home theater projector with a Draper Onyx screen. So I am confident the Apple TV will look great on a smaller plasma display. Of course it will not compare to Blu Ray, but then again I watch more "on demand" movies then I do BD movies.

For a large home theatre setup, you would still want high-bitrate, quality 1080p.

Ditto. This is for a secondary plasma display in the 50" and under category.
 
Umm, and why didn't you purchase an AppleCare plan?
The crappy Optiarc drive in my Mac Pro also stopped burning discs (very common problem!) while still being under Apple Care.
The only problem, schlepping that heavy workhorse to the Apple dealer and probably having to leave it there for a day will cost me a lot more money than ordering a much better Pioneer drive for $70 and replace it myself.

On the other hand, the only way Apple will ever switch to better suppliers is when customers are forcing them to replace every failing piece of crap!

Luckily the 1st generation Pioneer superdrive of my Quicksilver still works like a charm after 8 years of heavy use.
Those were the days of superior quality...
 
Microsoft joins Apple in stance against Blu-ray

Noooooo!!! I like physical media cluttering my walls and desk.

Microsoft joins Apple in stance against Blu-ray
by Mike Schramm (RSS feed) on Sep 22nd 2010 at 8:00PM

"UK head of Xbox gaming head Steven McGill says that 'Blu-ray is going to be passed by as a format.' .....and that with the rise of streaming content and the infrastructure to deliver it, there's no longer a need for a disc-based format."

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/22/microsoft-joins-apple-in-stance-against-blu-ray/
 
Who even cares anymore, Steve Jobs is looking to the future which is digital downloads, or streaming.
Maybe it would be good for all if Steve would live in the now once for a while. At least couple times a decade. Last reality check was probably "Year of HD"...

But don't knock me because I choose a 720p device. The Apple TV is about convenience for me.
This topic can be simplified to triangle that has 3 corners: quality, price, convenience. Pick any 2. Or with Apple, pick only 1.

Vertical resolution is only small piece of the big picture, but how low would you go in sake of convenience? 480p? 240p? On the other hand there is and always will be 1080p...
If iTunes 720p has less than half the bandwidth 480p dvd has, how can it be considered to be even par? h.264 does not help so much over mpeg2.
If you don't need higher picture quality, nobody else should want it?
640k ram should be enough for everybody?
Nobody can hear defects in 128kb mp3?

McDonalds is good enough for me, but I wouldn't imagine to start preaching that nobody should eat better.
 
Alright, no worries.
:)

I respect your preferences. But don't knock me because I choose a 720p device. The Apple TV is about convenience for me. It will be hooked up to a secondary plasma display (50" and under category) and not my primary home theater rig. I have watched 720p streams from Netflix via my PS3 on my main rig and they looked pretty damn good - this was on a HD home theater projector with a Draper Onyx screen. So I am confident the Apple TV will look great on a smaller plasma display. Of course it will not compare to Blu Ray, but then again I watch more "on demand" movies then I do BD movies.
sorry if i came across as knocking you - i thought the <immature> tags would have told you it was light-hearted banter, that was not my intention and i apologise.

that really does sound like a great setup! and i am extremely jealous, i currently only watch movies on my 27" iMac and 42" (iirc) Panasonic TV. the iMac REALLY shows the differences in the quality of movies, even in BDs, because of the high resolution and i have become quite picky even with uncompressed BD movies at that resolution. so the 720p even at high bitrates can annoy me still.

This topic can be simplified to triangle that has 3 corners: quality, price, convenience. Pick any 2. Or with Apple, pick only 1.
ive been saying this all along toke, im sure you are sick of it now - but i will say it again :) - in my eyes, apple has made a product that satisfies ALL THREE of those "corners". they have satisfied this for the general consumer, which is where apples target market is. they are no longer aiming higher then that. i think the appleTV is wonderfully cheap, profile 3.1 is pretty decent for playback and convenience... well.. that speaks for itself.

Nobody can hear defects in 128kb mp3?
i hear defects in 320kbps mp3's, but how many people actually care!? (i do, but we are in a different class of users then most).

McDonalds is good enough for me, but I wouldn't imagine to start preaching that nobody should eat better.
i wonder who makes more, McDonals - or a specialised, specific restaurant who offers fine Italian dishes. :rolleyes: it goes both ways.
 
Vertical resolution is only small piece of the big picture, but how low would you go in sake of convenience? 480p? 240p? On the other hand there is and always will be 1080p...

720p is my lower limit. Of course I'll take 1080p any day.

McDonalds is good enough for me, but I wouldn't imagine to start preaching that nobody should eat better.

Mmmm, quarter pounder with cheese and large fries! :)

sorry if i came across as knocking you - i thought the <immature> tags would have told you it was light-hearted banter, that was not my intention and i apologise.

That was the first time I saw that type of expression "<immature>" and I read it wrong. Sorry for jumping the gun.


the iMac REALLY shows the differences in the quality of movies, even in BDs, because of the high resolution and i have become quite picky even with uncompressed BD movies at that resolution. so the 720p even at high bitrates can annoy me still.

I understand your point, it's like having steak and then having to go back to hamburger. I've only watched Hulu and Netflix on my Mac and I am very impressed with the output on the iMac screen. I can only imagine what a Blu Ray would look like.

So which adapter did you use to connect your BD player to your iMac- Apogee HDMI-to-Mini Display Port adapter?
 
That was the first time I saw that type of expression "<immature>" and I read it wrong. Sorry for jumping the gun.




I understand your point, it's like having steak and then having to go back to hamburger. I've only watched Hulu and Netflix on my Mac and I am very impressed with the output on the iMac screen. I can only imagine what a Blu Ray would look like.

So which adapter did you use to connect your BD player to your iMac- Apogee HDMI-to-Mini Display Port adapter?

He rips them to an uncompressed format.
 
That was the first time I saw that type of expression "<immature>" and I read it wrong. Sorry for jumping the gun.
hey no harm done. :D lets move on.

I understand your point, it's like having steak and then having to go back to hamburger. I've only watched Hulu and Netflix on my Mac and I am very impressed with the output on the iMac screen. I can only imagine what a Blu Ray would look like.

So which adapter did you use to connect your BD player to your iMac- Apogee HDMI-to-Mini Display Port adapter?
He rips them to an uncompressed format.
morphing is on the money there. i use MakeMKV to rip them (uncompressed-ly) to a .mkv and then watch from there. i have PS3 Media Server to then transcode (with attempted lossless compression) to my PS3 over gigabit, and use Air Video Server (runs in the menubar) to transcode any movie on the fly to my iPad/iPods if i so please (even over the internet).
 
hey no harm done. :D lets move on.


morphing is on the money there. i use MakeMKV to rip them (uncompressed-ly) to a .mkv and then watch from there. i have PS3 Media Server to then transcode (with attempted lossless compression) to my PS3 over gigabit, and use Air Video Server (runs in the menubar) to transcode any movie on the fly to my iPad/iPods if i so please (even over the internet).

You think like me in that regard. :D Quick OT question: I want to get a gaming console. Which one am i getting? Thanks. ;)
 
ive been saying this all along toke, im sure you are sick of it now - but i will say it again :) - in my eyes, apple has made a product that satisfies ALL THREE of those "corners". they have satisfied this for the general consumer, which is where apples target market is. they are no longer aiming higher then that. i think the appleTV is wonderfully cheap, profile 3.1 is pretty decent for playback and convenience... well.. that speaks for itself.
Well, this thread is so "overbeating the undead horse" anyway, so if I'm still here, I can't be sick of anything here.

But I guess you're right, Apple satisfies all 3 corners for Average Joe. The problem is that when you establish your r&d with that, you are 5 years behind what enthusiast or early adaptor or professional wants.
And when you loose those, you start loosing the halo effect.
But maybe Apple doesn't even want more customers. They are doing just fine already.
This means that macs just turned from "bleeding edge" to "design class" like Rolls Royce or B&O.
Problem here is that only "bleeding edge" in IT is then Windows. Scary!
Maybe MB's will have bd when every other laptop has them with price half the cheapest MB. But I'm not satisfied with that schedule.
I'm writing this with laptop that costed €900 1.5 years ago and it has bd, eSata, ec slot & hdmi in addition to what MB's have.
Sure it has crappy screen, keyboard, drivers, Visva & it crashes all the time, but that's because of bad drivers and os.
If you'd add good drivers & os (X), added $500 for better quality hardware and $500 for Apple tax, that would be dream laptop for everybody for $2k.
But no luck, no avail.
So it can't be that Apple can't afford it. It has to be maximizing the profits (=greed) or/and limiting user options to keep them in the leach (=fear for competition).
Logically when macs have (cheap & unrelialble) dvd players, they could add option for (expensive & unreliable(?)) bd drive, when mac users want it.
It shouldn't be Apple's decision if optical storage is old fashioned or not. Not more than they should limit people using mice or ethernet, because they are "obsolete".
If os would need "secure video path" in kernel they could add it easily or let the GPU handle the decryption after kernel.

Anyway they know, that now HDCP is cracked and slim drives are getting cheaper. In very near future people will have 3rd party bd drive in their MB's and some open source bd movie player software, which circumvents HDCP & AACS.

Movie studios now this and they also know that lots of people want quality, hard copies and ability to playback without computers. So they promote bd. It is most versatile. You can convert it to "digital download" or you can buy one with the disc. Apple wants to ristrict consumers usage of content more to keep them buying Apple's products. They see hard copies as a threat to their business.

And for iTunes movies being "good enough" quality, I think that has nothing to do with it. iTunes movies are what they are just for technical & economical reasons. If Apple could stream 1080p movies with high PQ, they surely would. It's just the reality distorsion field, that blinds people.
Again Apple's opinion was that 128kb mp3 was good enough, until they started selling something better.

AppleTV and AirPlay gets me interested when I can stream bd movie from my computers bd drive to tv screen.
 
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