Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[pr5owner]

Your sig: Asus G53JW - i7 740QM / 1.5GB GTX460 / 120GB x2 Patriot Inferno SSD's / 8GB Ram / 15.6" 1080p 120hz LCD / Win7x64 Ultimate (Pre-ordered)
Dell Mini 9 w/ OSX 10.5

All that freaking processing power and you play on a 15inch screen and your complaining about "low resolution crap??

Also I love all these PC gamers who talk about Crysis/Metro fps rates blah blah don't realize that these games are rubbish/boring/old.

I mean Metro 2033? Come on resident evil 3 on the PSone was more engaging and fun.

i dont even have that laptop yet (its preordered), im talking about gaming tower vs console

the laptop is just a workstation for on the go video editing (hence the dual HDD's and the quad core for transcoding)

my desktop has dual gtx470s in sli and a cpu running at 4GHz, also,
that 15" "low resolution" laptop has the highest resolution and the highest dpi for a 15.6" screen. (so if your one of those apple clowns that think im too poor to buy a Mac, that simply isnt the case, Macs are just too slow)

not really sure what you mean by boring and old, metro was released this year, like 2-3 months ago, and no computer currently can run metro at its max settings and sustain a 60FPS average frame rate

 

[macintoshtoffy]

This pisses me off so much. Yes I bought my i7 iMac knowing there wasn't a BD drive but now that I want a flash drive HD camcorder, this is very limiting as far as viewing/sharing. Seems now I'll have to consider purchasing a Windows notebook with BD recording capability to be able to share video on Blu-ray players. How the hell else do you do it. Seems pretty stupid.

You can write BluRay movies right now - purchase Toast + External burner, the only thing it can't do is play back encrypted videos but if you're making movies and writing them to bluray unencrypted you won't have any problems.

 

[pr5owner]

You can write BluRay movies right now - purchase Toast + External burner, the only thing it can't do is play back encrypted videos but if you're making movies and writing them to bluray unencrypted you won't have any problems.

how much money do you have to spend on top of what you already spent to do a simple task? the i7 imac is how much? $1800+?

 

[macintoshtoffy]

how much money do you have to spend on top of what you already spent to do a simple task? the i7 imac is how much? $1800+?

The fact that no computer today comes as standard with a BluRay burner makes your point completely invalid. Come back and tell me when BluRay burners are standard in laptops and desktops then your position might hold some merit.

 

[pr5owner]

The fact that no computer today comes as standard with a BluRay burner makes your point completely invalid. Come back and tell me when BluRay burners are standard in laptops and desktops then your position might hold some merit.

well considering im not THAT lazy that i need everything handed to me on a silver platter, i can just upgrade my 3 year old HTPC to have a BD burner for $110 (just like ive upgraded that thing the last 20 or so times, cpus, ram, hdd, heatsink, new mobo, new case, and then another new cpu) the total cost is still less than $1000 including that BD burner

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=600&name=Blu-Ray-Burners&Order=PRICE

in fact ALL my desktop computers in my house can have BD Burners and none of them are new

if your computer illiterate almost all manufactures give you the option to have a BD Burner pre-installed (dell, hp, acer, etc, etc)

(not sure if this link works)
http://configure.dell.com/dellstore...l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&model_id=studio-xps-8100

EDIT: oops i forgot you wanted laptops too with BD burners, its an option you just click and they send you the laptop preconfigured.

https://secure.pctorque.com/system-configuration.aspx?SystemsID=57

 

[MorphingDragon]

well considering im not THAT lazy that i need everything handed to me on a silver platter, i can just upgrade my 3 year old HTPC to have a BD burner for $110 (just like ive upgraded that thing the last 20 or so times, cpus, ram, hdd, heatsink, new mobo, new case, and then another new cpu) the total cost is still less than $1000 including that BD burner

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=600&name=Blu-Ray-Burners&Order=PRICE

in fact ALL my desktop computers in my house can have BD Burners and none of them are new

if your computer illiterate almost all manufactures give you the option to have a BD Burner pre-installed (dell, hp, acer, etc, etc)

(not sure if this link works)
http://configure.dell.com/dellstore...l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&model_id=studio-xps-8100

EDIT: oops i forgot you wanted laptops too with BD burners, its an option you just click and they send you the laptop preconfigured.

https://secure.pctorque.com/system-configuration.aspx?SystemsID=57

Customisation by definition is the opposite of standard. DVD is standard, BD is usually an addon. (If it hasn't clicked yet, your links strengthened your opponents argument)

 

[-hh]

... (so if your one of those apple clowns that think im too poor to buy a Mac, that simply isnt the case, Macs are just too slow)

how much money do you have to spend on top of what you already spent to do a simple task? the i7 imac is how much? $1800+?

The fact that no computer today comes as standard with a BluRay burner makes your point completely invalid. Come back and tell me when BluRay burners are standard in laptops and desktops then your position might hold some merit.

It is also helpful to not whine about money after having just suggested that you're not a cheapskate

The basic answer of "Toast & BR Burner" is less than $300, and it would be an optional expense on any computer today, so the base price of any Mac isn't relevant...


-hh

 

[MorphingDragon]

It is also helpful to not whine about money after having just suggested that you're not a cheapskate

The basic answer of "Toast & BR Burner" is less than $300, and it would be an optional expense on any computer today, so the base price of any Mac isn't relevant...


-hh

Macintoshtoffy and I come from New Zealand, and the cheapest BD writer alone at OEM prices come in at a hefty $300.

 

[DoFoT9]

Macintoshtoffy and I come from New Zealand, and the cheapest BD writer alone at OEM prices come in at a hefty $300.

dont be silly. there would be cheaper then that, you arent that primative

if you NZ kids are desperate i can ship one over for you. but i dont believe them to be $300....

 

[MorphingDragon]

dont be silly. there would be cheaper then that, you arent that primative

if you NZ kids are desperate i can ship one over for you. but i dont believe them to be $300....

I'd much rather take higher priced BD drives if it means we can keep our superior internet market and cheaper Apple products. (Two can play at this game)

EDIT: I was looking at iMac compatible slimline drives, not 5.25" drives. 5.25" drives are about $200.

 

[leroypants]

It is utterly pathetic the lengths at with "cult of apple" members will go to in order to defend being screwed by apple. Then again apple drones are more marchers walking single file in line to the gospel of Jobs, rather than free thinkers and innovators they might have once been.

 

[DoFoT9]

I'd much rather take higher priced BD drives if it means we can keep our superior internet market and cheaper Apple products. (Two can play at this game)

EDIT: I was looking at iMac compatible slimline drives, not 5.25" drives. 5.25" drives are about $200.

your macs are cheaper? too bad shipping would nullify that!

 

[Hal Itosis]

It is utterly pathetic the lengths at with "cult of apple" members will go to in order to defend being screwed by apple.

"Screwed"? $99 for an ATV, with AirPlay (and probably Apps in the pipeline)?

Hahahah! Bark at the moon all night if you like... no one's getting "screwed".

[folks, if you want BD@1080P then simply buy something else. Whining in here ain't getting you anywhere.]

 

[pr5owner]

It is also helpful to not whine about money after having just suggested that you're not a cheapskate

The basic answer of "Toast & BR Burner" is less than $300, and it would be an optional expense on any computer today, so the base price of any Mac isn't relevant...


-hh

i was stating that most mac users are paying a premium for absolutely nothing in return.

i dont have a problem spending money, but that money better be going somewhere and doing something. Paying premium amounts should return the latest in premium hardware for example, not the kind of slow ass crap apple comes out with.

 

[Crunch]

"Screwed"? $99 for an ATV, with AirPlay (and probably Apps in the pipeline)?

Hahahah! Bark at the moon all night if you like... no one's getting "screwed".

[folks, if you want BD@1080P then simply buy something else. Whining in here ain't getting you anywhere.]

HAHA....Thank you.

i was stating that most mac users are paying a premium for absolutely nothing in return.

i dont have a problem spending money, but that money better be going somewhere and doing something. Paying premium amounts should return the latest in premium hardware for example, not the kind of slow ass crap apple comes out with.

"Had better...", "Paying a premium for nothing...", "slowass crap..."???

Come on now. You know where the door is (and what it leads to) if you want to save a few bucks. I'm actually glad that the new iMac does NOT have Bluray, because the highest-end machine, the 27" Quad with the Core i7 would likely be $100-$150 more expensive, as that would be the model where the Bluray drive would be found and I'd be forced to pay for it.

And why are there so many people complaining about how "slow" the DVDRW/CDRW SuperDrive is? Optical drives are slow to begin with and quite a few of them are prone to errors because...the DVD you burned was burned too fast! LOL...How ridiculous is this? You want a faster drive, but at the end of the day, you're going to have to burn your DVD at a slower speed anyway. I hear this argument a lot from my friends who are in showbiz and who are having to put up with these burners. Oh well, optical drives are dead to me.

 

[leroypants]

I'm actually glad that the new iMac does NOT have Bluray, because the highest-end machine, the 27" Quad with the Core i7 would likely be $100-$150 more expensive, as that would be the model where the Bluray drive would be found and I'd be forced to pay for it.

First, I am not sure if it's pathetic or just disingenuous, that someone would cry about paying 100 bucks more for a computer that without applecare or tax retails for over 3,200 dollars.

Second, no one is saying that Apple is requiring to have a Bluray drive in every computer, do you understand that point? No one wants Bluray to be in every apple computer, however some people want it as an option. I figure I have lost you by this point and you can not comprehend what I am saying, however maybe others might.

 

[smali]

slow ass crap apple comes out with.

Slower in raw processing power maybe your right. At consumer level productivity what Apple produces is not slow at all, in fact quicker than a windows box. I am amazed at how much Windows bothers you before even getting on with a simple task (granted W7 has improved on this) and working with it all day is a Pain.

One thing you can't refute mr apple hater, macs are great for people who care about the computing they are doing, not the computer itself.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

Macintoshtoffy and I come from New Zealand, and the cheapest BD writer alone at OEM prices come in at a hefty $300.

True, and the external ones are even worse:

http://pricespy.co.nz/category.php?k=v1346

External Bluray burner starting at $465 incl. GST

Every computer I see being sold today has a BluRay playback but BluRay burning is a rarity at best and when available it is only for the high end laptops which negates the complaints put forward by pr5owner about how horrible it is to pay the amount on top of their existing computer cost.

Putting that aside; I don't see consumer clambering for BluRay burning and the lack of BluRay playback let alone burning isn't exactly holding back Mac sales one iota. pr5owner may sit around 'making videos' for the family but the majority of people (aka normal people) don't do that. They have a BluRay player hooked up to their television and they use their computer for computer stuff - the iLife 'advertisements' of people gathering around the computer to make 'DVD's to share with the family' never mirrored reality at any stage and yet we have pr5owner who seems to have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

 

[MorphingDragon]

True, and the external ones are even worse:

http://pricespy.co.nz/category.php?k=v1346

External Bluray burner starting at $465 incl. GST

Every computer I see being sold today has a BluRay playback but BluRay burning is a rarity at best and when available it is only for the high end laptops which negates the complaints put forward by pr5owner about how horrible it is to pay the amount on top of their existing computer cost.

Putting that aside; I don't see consumer clambering for BluRay burning and the lack of BluRay playback let alone burning isn't exactly holding back Mac sales one iota. pr5owner may sit around 'making videos' for the family but the majority of people (aka normal people) don't do that. They have a BluRay player hooked up to their television and they use their computer for computer stuff - the iLife 'advertisements' of people gathering around the computer to make 'DVD's to share with the family' never mirrored reality at any stage and yet we have pr5owner who seems to have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Dude, go to www.staticice.co.nz

Pricespy blows ever since the update.

your macs are cheaper? too bad shipping would nullify that!

It might be different now, but when I went to Australia 2 years ago, I needed a new Laptop and decided to go to the Sydney (Or for you American folk, Sidnoi) Apple store and get the "Apple Experience". The prices between NZD and AUD were nearly at a parity so I decided not to, because I would have to pay tax through customs as well.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

Dude, go to www.staticice.co.nz

Pricespy blows ever since the update.

That website is useless:

http://www.staticice.co.nz/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=bluray+burner&spos=1

Four results and not a single one of them external USB drives. At least price spy came back with the option for an external USB bluray burner - unless of course you can show me of a place I can get a 5 1/4 external drive case from for an internal drive.

Edit: Found it just then; my point still stands that it is a crappy search engine.

 

[MorphingDragon]

That website is useless:

http://www.staticice.co.nz/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=bluray+burner&spos=1

Four results and not a single one of them external USB drives. At least price spy came back with the option for an external USB bluray burner - unless of course you can show me of a place I can get a 5 1/4 external drive case from for an internal drive.

Edit: Found it just then; my point still stands that it is a crappy search engine.

I will admit that you have to specific in your searches. But what I like about Static ice is that it just presents you the data without all the other BS, plus once you find the magical search term it can find some prices cheaper than PriceSpy.

http://www.staticice.co.nz/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=external+blu-ray+writer&spos=1

EG, There is a burner for $455 not $465.

Though even after all this searching I still buy from PBTech, E-Info or Computer Lounge anyway because I cant be bothered with the bottom of the barrel sellers who forget what warranties are.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

I will admit that you have to specific in your searches.

I've just put in 'BluRay burner" and all I get back are BluRay readers that burn DVD's - which is entirely useless to me; I want a BluRay burner that burns to BluRays which still stands at $465 being the cheapest external BluRay burner so far that I've seen.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Nvm.

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I find it scummy Apple raised their prices with the GST while most kept the prices the same.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

well considering im not THAT lazy that i need everything handed to me on a silver platter, i can just upgrade my 3 year old HTPC to have a BD burner for $110 (just like ive upgraded that thing the last 20 or so times, cpus, ram, hdd, heatsink, new mobo, new case, and then another new cpu) the total cost is still less than $1000 including that BD burner

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=600&name=Blu-Ray-Burners&Order=PRICE

in fact ALL my desktop computers in my house can have BD Burners and none of them are new

if your computer illiterate almost all manufactures give you the option to have a BD Burner pre-installed (dell, hp, acer, etc, etc)

(not sure if this link works)
http://configure.dell.com/dellstore...l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&model_id=studio-xps-8100

Addresing the issue of the Dell:

http://www1.ap.dell.com/nz/en/home/...pd.aspx?refid=studio-xps-8100&s=dhs&cs=nzdhs1

None of them come standard with BluRay burners - they come with combo drives which have BluRay playback and DVD burning but not standard with BluRay burning. Check the bloody links before being a smart alec.

EDIT: oops i forgot you wanted laptops too with BD burners, its an option you just click and they send you the laptop preconfigured.

https://secure.pctorque.com/system-configuration.aspx?SystemsID=57

Which isn't mainstream computer assembler that is available through large retail stores where Joe and Jane Sixpack purchase their computers from.

 

[pr5owner]

None of them come standard with BluRay burners - they come with combo drives which have BluRay playback and DVD burning but not standard with BluRay burning. Check the bloody links before being a smart alec.
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what do you mean not standard? you dont order a mac with the barebone options only do you? im sure people can click a checkbox if they need an additional item, its a STANDARD part, nothing needs to be special ordered, its not a hidden option