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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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OzExige said:
only similar to dumping the 3.5" 'floppy' from the iMac, man was he ever wrong there! :rolleyes:
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...at a time when floppies were well on their way out the door. I stopped using them years before Apple dropped floppy support. Blu-ray is in a totally different phase, sales are constantly on the rise. What Steve is doing with Blu-ray is the equivalent of ditching floppy drives in 1992, which would've been about 6 years too early.
 
Time and time again this discussions descends into the same rabble.

Blu-Ray is a far superior technology at the minute, I have plenty of them and love the extra detail, audio quality etc. The problem though, is I'm a minority, normal people don't really care....and before you think to yourself you "are" normal.... You're not, posting on a Mac forum about Steve jobs, Apple, bit rates and codecs isn't normal.

Give it a few years and digital downloads will be king. We'll still be able to get our blu-Ray versions for years to come, it'll just never be king. Does that bother me? Not at all.

I really couldn't care less about having blu-ray on my Mac, it's a big TV thing.
 
iEdd said:
This is frustrating. I had CD-ROM and CD-RW when my PC friends were still using floppy. I had a superdrive when my friends barely had CD burners.

Fast forward to Blu-Ray. We don't even get a combo drive. Not everyone has a 100Mbps, unlimited internet connection. In Australia the average is closer to 1.5Mbps with a 10-20GB limit. Yay, one hour of your favourite 1080p movie every month. :rolleyes:

Not to mention that many people want Blu-Ray for storage purposes, not just for movies. All the arguments against a Blu-Ray drive also go against a DVD drive. So why do macs still have DVD drives? Because if they didn't, they would be seen as a complete joke.

****.
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Thinking about that if you can buy yourself lets say 1 bluray by month ($20-30) + bluray player ($150-300), you can certainly pay for a way better connection...which will benefit you beyond just watching movies :D
 
Why does Apple need to provide this?

Why can't a third party bundle the drive and software, like they used to back in the days of "DVD upgrade kits" in the late 90s?

There's lots of companies that make Bluray movie playing software for Windows; it shouldn't be hard to port the code to OS X too. Given how desperate Mac users are for Bluray support, I'm surprised no one has filled this void.
 
I would like to actually know the number of laptops sold with BluRay, not the number that have the option but how many Dell, Sony, etc sell. My guess its not a lot a whole lot.

Currently there is NOT a BluRay drive that will fit in the MBP lineup. See the Envy 14 and its lack of BluRay. Thin laptops cannot fit current generation mobile bluray drives. Thats why the Sony Z is a little chubbier, and on the Z its a $500 upgrade. As for other product lines they might be able to squeeze it in the 27" iMac, but probably not the 21.5".

Where are you people that have capped connections? I have a 40mbit uncapped connection($65/month). Soon to be 100mbit($100/month) connection when it rolls out in my city by the end of the year. If they would only lower the price on streaming HD rentals I'd be 100% streaming video content.
 
Red-red said:
Give it a few years and digital downloads will be king.
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A few years? Think 10 years.

50% of America doesn't even have broadband. Other countries it's even higher. Making matters even worse, companies like Comcast cap your total download bandwidth per month. Not only that, but some people who have broadband have horrible connections where they call 2Mb/s DSL "broadband".

You guys have to be joking if you think Steve is right when he says physical media is on it's way out right now. Blu-ray is just picking up steam!

I've been in the working in the high tech industry for about 15 years now. It's going to take more than just a "few years" for this dream world to take shape.

Ethan
 
Wreckem said:
Where are you people that have capped lines? I have a 40mbit uncapped connection($65/month). Soon to be 100mbit($100/month) connection when it rolls out in my city by the end of the year. If they would only lower the price on stream HD rentals I'd be 100% streaming video content.
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A lot of ISPs in other countries have caps (for example, I know the major ISPs in Australia have caps). Many in the US do, especially in rural areas where there's little competition, typically it's one broadband provider who can do what they want. The satellite ISPs have caps. Comcast is supposedly rolling out caps, and AT&T has mentioned it.

And then there are people out in extreme rural areas who still are stuck with dial up and will be for a long time.
 
OzExige said:
You make it sound as though he fell over it. :confused:

He (and some brilliant staff) brought Apple back from the brink! :apple: :D

Not jumping to BR isn't going to be a mistake (even if you disagree with him),
only similar to dumping the 3.5" 'floppy' from the iMac, man was he ever wrong there! :rolleyes:
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Oh, sorry... I wasn't meaning to imply that he wasn't the reason for this "success." He is absolutely making choices that are bringing the company money. Some will say that is the only reason to be in business. I just personally don't agree. This is one of those decisions that's based on nothing but the bottom dollar without any regard for the consumer or helping to promote the advancement of the best technology that's currently available - things that I believe the older Apple (even with Jobs at the helm) used to care about. We're in a different era now, and all they really care about is selling iPhones. Great, whatever. Just means I'll have to give some other company my money to watch the best content that's out there.
 
Ledley42 said:
Of course they will be the 1080p set, 1080 is obviously better than 720, but why, do you think the average consumer knows the difference in the lines of resolution? Or do you think think they see the larger number and just assume it is better, never thinking about whether or not they even have 1080p content available to them?
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The only thing anyone needs to know about 1080p is that its better than 720p, full stop.

sorry for asking, but have u been living in a cave? What do u think blu-ray is? It's widely marketed as the best audio and video available - in full HD 1080p. U think people have been watching BD movies on BD players on 1080p TVs and they dont know this?
 
SirHaakon said:
In fairness, you can author BD on a Mac right now. I do it every day. You just can't watch what you've created on the Mac. Yes, it's absurd. But I did want to make that clarification.
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I want the ability to easily burn Blu-ray discs integrated into iMovie, FCE, and iDVD. If I had that, I almost wouldn't care if I could play the disc back on the computer.
 
To the people stating that Blu-ray is out the door. I guess me and my 300+ collection is too. I am only 24 and continue to purchase blu-rays consistently over ANY other format. iTunes cannot even compare to bluray.

I think if you are 15 and own a ****** television that is 10 feet away with computer speakers hooked up, downloading movies would make perfect sense. I on the other hand own a 42" plasma (not that big...but big enough) and let me tell you, everyone that comes by the house can tell how great the pic is and says...man I need to get one of those. Have they, no. Not the point. I have.

Another massive issue. Sound. At best, I can get basic compressed surround. not realistically though from downloads. Nothing streamed from online does it in surround (although netflix will soon supposedly). I have over $6k invested in my surround sound. How do YOU convince me that a 720p movie with 2-channel AAC audio is better that 1080p and 5.1 uncompressed audio (lets not even bring to the plate extras or subtitles). I can hear and see a massive difference.

Also, some have argued portability is a massive issue for blu-ray. It's double edged. I can take my itunes movie on my iPad anywhere but I can't share it with anyone anywhere. I am limited to 5 devices FOREVER!!!!!!!!! What if my mother wanted to borrow the movie...too bad, she isn't on my account. What if we want to watch it in the car on the overhead unit...I can convert a blu-ray...you can't touch the DRM'ed iMovie.

In concept Job's assumptions about physical format's demise is certain. But with bandwidth caps, slow internet speeds (it's $60/month for 7mb conn. in NC)...and the lack of true portability or resale value KILLS DOWNLOADING for me.
 
yg17 said:
A lot of ISPs in other countries have caps (for example, I know the major ISPs in Australia have caps). Many in the US do, especially in rural areas where there's little competition, typically it's one broadband provider who can do what they want. The satellite ISPs have caps. Comcast is supposedly rolling out caps, and AT&T has mentioned it.

And then there are people out in extreme rural areas who still are stuck with dial up and will be for a long time.
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+1

I have called and pleaded with my local internet provider about when they are going to increase their capacity. I have also called comcast and asked them why they are in surrounding towns, (im in a rural area, so surrounding towns are 20 miles in each direction) and not in mine. I've even written my representatives about terrible service.
 
ethana said:
It's called the MacBook Air.
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For which they added an external superdrive option plus the ability to borrow optical drives from nearby Macs, so clearly their confidence in the death of the optical drive wasn't all that strong.

Unsurprising, given that Apple still distributes their damn software on DVDs. For a company that pushes downloads as the future, when it comes to software they're more backwards than most. I can buy this monster package called Adobe CS5 Master Collection as a download, that's been an option for years. So... where are the ESD options for Logic Studio and Final Cut Studio? What, there are none? How about iWork? No? Well... surely at least Snow Leopard can be downloaded? Oops, guess not.
 
SirHaakon said:
Oh, sorry... I wasn't meaning to imply that he wasn't the reason for this "success." He is absolutely making choices that are bringing the company money. Some will say that is the only reason to be in business. I just personally don't agree. This is one of those decisions that's based on nothing but the bottom dollar without any regard for the consumer or helping to promote the advancement of the best technology that's currently available - things that I believe the older Apple (even with Jobs at the helm) used to care about. We're in a different era now, and all they really care about is selling iPhones. Great, whatever. Just means I'll have to give some other company my money to watch the best content that's out there.
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We agree on his Stevieness then :)

Blue-Ray? meh
 
UK-MacAddict said:
Why exactly is BR a 'bag of hurt'? as Steve puts it. Every other manufacturer has been using BR drives in the products for the past couple of years.
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Well ya see... if you go and buy a physical BR disc and he lets you play it on your Apple computer, then he can't charge you to download a copy from the iTunes store... thus you "bag of hurt" his profits.

And we wouldn't want that now would we? :rolleyes:
 
Quality seems to be only hardware an not the content at Apple

No uncompressed audio, and no full HD video>Bluray.

Steve probably does'nt watch or listen to music or movies himself,otherwise i would have expected him to want the best on the content aswell.

I can understand that the future is in the cloud, but aslong as i can not get uncompressed content, i am still buying cd/dvd/bluray,since i find quality more important then anything else.

I realy think Apple has now become as greedy as the record companies themselves wich dear steve loved to call greedy.

I find it very dissapiting that quality is not No.1 anymore .

iTunes is not a good musicplayer anymore, even if i rip my cedees uncompressed it will sound like its clipping because itunes messes with the content, it's a shame realy.

And the only way i can playback full 1080p HD movies on a 27 inch 16x9 full hd imac is by illegaly downloading it from the net, there is no other way.

Maybe with some of the adaptors that are coming out i can hook up a ps3 to my imac and watch the movies that way, but that realy is a bag of hurt,much more then adding the option of a bd drive if you ask me.

PS. 10 years ago i thought about taking an apple tatoo, now a days i'm very happy i did not,lol.
 
Wreckem said:
I would like to actually know the number of laptops sold with BluRay, not the number that have the option but how many Dell, Sony, etc sell. My guess its not a lot a whole lot.

Currently there is NOT a BluRay drive that will fit in the MBP lineup. See the Envy 14 and its lack of BluRay. Thin laptops cannot fit current generation mobile bluray drives. Thats why the Sony Z is a little chubbier. As for other product lines they might be able to squeeze it in the 27" iMac, but probably not the 21.5".

Where are you people that have capped lines? I have a 40mbit uncapped connection($65/month). Soon to be 100mbit($100/month) connection when it rolls out in my city by the end of the year. If they would only lower the price on stream HD rentals I'd be 100% streaming video content.
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Well I live in San Francisco and there are many services that say unlimited. Well I went over 200 gb and got a one time only warning from comcast telling me the next time it happens they will turn off my service including cable for 6 months. Do some research and ask questions I doubt it's uncapped or unlimited. Those are just sales pitches. In order to get real unlimited you need a dedicated T1+ line. That costs a pretty penny indeed. Plus unless you are wired for one which means someone installed a T1 or better in the past at your service site you will be paying for a lot of labor. You may have to pay to bring it to your neighborhood even. I gave up and have DSL. Maybe it's changed but this is what every service provider told me after the Comcast drama ensued 5 months ago.
 
meli said:
I want the ability to easily burn Blu-ray discs integrated into iMovie, FCE, and iDVD. If I had that, I almost wouldn't care if I could play the disc back on the computer.
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Ah, well then you're dreaming. Apple hasn't updated iDVD in three years and the future of Final Cut in general is uncertain... they're moving away from this market almost entirely. Who knows if we're even going to see another Mac Pro...
 
SirHaakon said:
Ah, well then you're dreaming. Apple hasn't updated iDVD in three years and the future of Final Cut in general is uncertain... they're moving away from this market almost entirely. Who knows if we're even going to see another Mac Pro...
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aaaaahhhhhhhhhh..............

*scene* running down the street screaming!
 
Garrus said:
Thinking about that if you can buy yourself lets say 1 bluray by month ($20-30) + bluray player ($150-300), you can certainly pay for a way better connection...which will benefit you beyond just watching movies :D
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No... Many people can't get better internet connections. I get 50GB/month, and I can pay more to get more quota, but I can't physically get a faster speed than 8Mbps (nominal). There are others who can only get dialup, or 3G for $40 for 5GB (unusable after 7PM, horrible latency, shithouse). The problem is, there are many people like myself, who are willing to pay more for faster speeds, but most people simply do not care, which means it's not worth the telcos installing fibre.

I don't even want Blu-Ray for movie purposes as my #1 priority. I just think it's the next logical step in optical media, and if we have an optical drive, it should be current technology. Same reason I have FireWire 800 and USB 2.0... Actually, there's another one, when are we gonna get FireWire 3200 and USB 3.0? We probably won't. We'll get a new iPad instead. :(
 
ive read a lot of what people are writing, and most of you sound right and most of you sound wrong :)

i LOVE blu ray, and anybody who doesn't care about the format obviously hasn't watched one ...i have some old dvds you can have after your done reading my post on your Macintosh II. you have got to be crazy to think downloaded content can match blu ray. crazy.

i would also just like the option. don't make it standard, just an option.

and stop hating on yg17, android phones are great :)
 
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