Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[lilo777]

Another great prediction from Steve Jobs

“The subscription model of buying music is bankrupt. I think you could make available the Second Coming in a subscription model and it might not be successful.” Steve Jobs — Rolling Stone, Dec. 3, 2003

The guy is a salesmen not a visionary.

 

[JAT]

Don't you mean "stop being pedantic"?

Whoa, late reply. Really busy at work.

No, I didn't mean pedantic. That suggests an air of validity, while obtuse does not. Since you don't even believe that crap you were spewing about the acronym usage, it wasn't an intellectual exercise.

 

[janstett]

First go here:

https://disneyupgradetoblu.com/blu_ray/index.html

Now, did you know that Steve Jobs is the largest single shareholder of Disney?

He likes BD when it makes him money. BD on Macs make him lose money though because it's competition for iTunes.

Especially when it comes to the Pixar stuff. Pixar takes pride in the highest quality presentation, pioneering the direct-to-digital DVD releases of Toy Story and A Bug's Life -- completely bypassing film transfer and telecine.

So while Pixar is naturally elated to offer this ultimate quality on Blu-Ray, what does Steve do when he's at Pixar? Does he lobby for Pixar to abandon Blu-Ray? Does he have to tolerate an abundance of PCs in the company's in-house authoring?

I'd love to be a fly on that wall. The guy who wants crappy downloads back-pedaling on quality at Pixar.

You had to mention it but I don't think there is any need for me to fill in the blanks here. (cough, cough) - "Streaming."

You mean that thing that's around 10% of the total market and is barely growing year-to-year? That thing?

 

[toke lahti]

Ask for eSATA now.

I've asked and only if it would be as easy as just asking.

Because of Apple's neglect to eSata (only 2 models can use it & both are very low volume (17"mbp & mp)) 3rd party is not interested to make good drivers for eSata for OsX.
I've tried to find good (supports booting & SMART) eSata expresscard for my early2009mbp for reasonable price. No avail. All eSata cards support both booting and SMART in windows machines, but none with Macs.

Just wondering witch takes longer to get into the macs: esata, bd or usb3?
Are macs stuck with fw800, usb2 & dvd for the rest of their existence?

And where are reasonably priced hdd enclosures with eSata & fw800 for best of both win & mac worlds?

 

[toke lahti]

Why are they on the list of supporting companies? They never have done anything for the tech obviously. Odd.

Apple gets paid every time h.264 is used. Not odd at all.

 

[toke lahti]

Please use multi-quote and combine several related replies into one.

Nope, this way the posting count rises faster. Record breaking!

 

[toke lahti]

you gotta admit guys, blu-ray kinda sucks. It takes hours to burn 25-50GB and for what? Optical discs aren't reliable. Flash media is where it's at. Forget discs.

you gotta admit guys, macs' slow usb2 kinda sucks. It takes hours to copy 25-50GB to hdd and for what? Hdd's aren't reliable. Optical media is where it's at. Forget ssd.

 

[QuarterSwede]

At what point did Apple stop being cutting edge and start focussing on "average" consumers? The iPod has a lot to answer for I guess.

You might think your home movies look good, but if you can share your video over email or websites the quality simply isn't there.

Fortunately I have a blu ray burner, in my pc so I don't have to settle for second rate HD and can record and watch the video at the quality I paid for when I bought the camcorder.

Just a shame I can't do the same on my mac.

Apparently my point was lost on you. They don't have to look utterly fantastic. All I, and most people, want is to share our memories with others. If it's not in mind blowing 720p/1080p I don't care. What matters is that it's shared, nothing else.

I get that if you buy a nice HD camcorder you want, at the very least, an option to preserve and watch it on the best medium possible. I'm just saying that most people don't give a hoot as long as their loved ones can share in the experience. I can also tell you that I'd be miffed if someone sent me a link to a 1080p video file for me to download with no lower res option.

On the iDevice note, there isn't a cellphone size camera on the planet yet that'll give you the same quality of an HD camcorder. My point still stands, the best camera you have is the one that's with you.

Nope, this way the posting count rises faster. Record breaking!

In the mean time you piss everyone off. Not to mention it's against the forum rules:

Under Things Not To Do:

Overposting. Making the same post many times, making multiple pointless posts in the same thread, making numerous posts with no real content, or posting for the purpose of gaining a higher post count.

 

[QuarterSwede]

Double post by accident. Forgiveness please.

 

[toke lahti]

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/0...april-xserve-controversy-and-jobs-on-blu-ray/

Looks like SJ is trying to top in stupidity his ex-competitor's Nokia's ex-CEO's Vanjoki's statement that "cell phones are replacing dslr's":
http://www.hardmac.com/news/2011/01/03/rumors-some-rumors
"Concerning authoring on Blu-ray, it seems impossible to provide software supporting such format for consumer market. In addition to DRM, here it is the cost of licenses that slow down the entire process; one would have to start paying 3,000 USD to AACS, then 80,000 USD to Sony, 40,000 USD to Sonic, etc. HE considers the Blu-ray as a “bag of hurt”."

How it is possible that you can buy windows pc for 1k$, premierePro for $600 and author and burn bd-movie with all the menus etc.?
Comparing high volume duplication licence fees is meaningless and they are about same than in dvd's.
How many have asked how much high volume CSS license would cost when authoring a dvd with DVDSP?
Or playing a dvd-movie with mac?

 

[toke lahti]

What matters is that it's shared, nothing else.

And this is when standards like bd come in handy.
Countless times I have had to give support for both work & private life situations with streamed or downloadable content.
Not necessary plug-in installed, not enough power to playback, not enough bandwidth for playback, no needed player or codec installed, file lost somewhere in computer, this just goes on without an end.
With optical media everybody understands that dvd-movie can be played back with dvd or bd player and bd-movie can be played back only with bd player.
That's how video "just works" "for the rest of us".

In the mean time you piss everyone off. Not to mention it's against the forum rules:
Under Things Not To Do:

Okay, I forgot to put smiley after my comment.
Seriously, I find it easier to follow when single comment is replied by single answer. At least in this kind of thread where there is multiple conversations and topics going on simultaneously.
And this is not against rules.

 

[AidenShaw]

Whoa, late reply. Really busy at work.

No, I didn't mean pedantic. That suggests an air of validity, while obtuse does not. Since you don't even believe that crap you were spewing about the acronym usage, it wasn't an intellectual exercise.

One can believe in something, and also believe that it's a lost cause.

That's often the case with technical accuracy on MacRumours.

 

[lilo777]

As per Engadget

"Audiovox shows off the industry's first in-car Blu-ray player, the AVDBR1"

Since DL BluRay disk (50GB) can probably hold entire audio collection for 95% of population (and one can make more disks if needed) this sounds like a good idea.

 

[iEdd]

I thought car streaming (radio?) was the future?

Seriously though, BD audio would be the next logical step. Better than some luxury cars with a tiny 4GB HDD that isn't even user replaceable.

 

[janstett]

Today I am taking delivery of my Panasonic TCP65VT25 65" Plasma, widely acclaimed as the best picture quality you can get.

I will immediately be hooking up my 720p Apple TV and downloading iTunes content to watch on it.

Oh wait, no I won't.

I'll be hooking up my Mac Mini as a HTPC. Oh wait, no I won't.

Blu-Ray HTPC running Windows 7? Yes.

 

[alent1234]

"Audiovox shows off the industry's first in-car Blu-ray player, the AVDBR1"

Since DL BluRay disk (50GB) can probably hold entire audio collection for 95% of population (and one can make more disks if needed) this sounds like a good idea.

my 2010 CR-V has a USB port that i hook my iphone up to. haven't used car cd in years.

i wouldn't get this anyway. i'd just buy an ipad instead of in car blu ray

 

[devilcm3]

I thought car streaming (radio?) was the future?

Seriously though, BD audio would be the next logical step. Better than some luxury cars with a tiny 4GB HDD that isn't even user replaceable.

people are satisfied with audio quality coming out from CD's , even for those audiophiles
why need BD audio?

 

[mozumder]

Nobody wants Bluray

Physical media is a joke.

Let's hope he gets rid of ALL drives in the next macbook laptop refresh.

We need to save the space by getting rid of something we never use.

 

[karsten]

Physical media is a joke.

Let's hope he gets rid of ALL drives in the next macbook laptop refresh.

We need to save the space by getting rid of something we never use.

yeah i hate cheap durable, high capacity storage..

 

[435713]

yeah i hate cheap durable, high capacity storage..

Yeah me as well, F physical media I rather Apple own my media with me

If he eliminates drives from all Macs then he honestly needs to be committed. Can we trade Jobs and get Heath Ledger back? O snap I went there.

 

[Bishope1999]

people are satisfied with audio quality coming out from CD's , even for those audiophiles
why need BD audio?

Well for one thing CD's only output stereo while with a more advanced audio format like that of SACD or DVD-A can output a natively 5.1 audio mix. The extra space of a BD disc won't be needed just for music so a dual layer DVD should suffice, but considering that those two mentioned formats never amounted to much, the studios can use the Blu-ray logo as a new marketing tool for it.

Considering that people downgraded from CD's to low quality mp3's, I doubt there will ever be a significant market for it. Too many people listen to music with those small earphones anyways.

Physical media is a joke.

Let's hope he gets rid of ALL drives in the next macbook laptop refresh.

We need to save the space by getting rid of something we never use.

Considering that movies on a physical media made about $16.3 billion in rental and sell through in 2010, what does that say about digital distribution (VOD, I Tunes, Netflix streaming etc) that only made $2.5 billion last year.

Personally I feel more confident about backing up my personal files to an optical disc than to a hard drive. I've lost all my recordings on two different DVR's and all my data was gone once my hard drive crashed. Thankfully I saved the most important things on some DVD's but I wasn't able to recover what I lost on the DVR.

To me, physical media is very important and I'll always opt to pay for it over its digital counterpart.

 

[OllyW]

Considering that movies on a physical media made about $16.3 billion in rental and sell through in 2010, what does that say about digital distribution (VOD, I Tunes, Netflix streaming etc) that only made $2.5 billion last year.

Don't go confusing the issue with facts, they'll only ignore it again.

 

[Bishope1999]

Don't go confusing the issue with facts, they'll only ignore it again.

Lol. I'm not sure why people wouldn't want a optical disc drive that is an improvement and doesn't slow down the computer in any way. If someone offered me 2 two Terabyte Hard Drives on a computer purchase, I wouldn't decline it simply because I won't use all the space. The more the better I say .



Back to my first question and the reason i joined the forum regarding the usage of a blu-ray burner on a mac. My grandfather has a mac pro and he is interested in getting the same LG WH10LS30K internal Blu-ray burner I have. My question is will he at least be able to use the Blu-ray burner to burn BD discs? The only issue should be that his Mac can't play Blu-ray movies?

 

[OllyW]

Back to my first question and the reason i joined the forum regarding the usage of a blu-ray burner on a mac. My grandfather has a mac pro and he is interested in getting the same LG WH10LS30K internal Blu-ray burner I have. My question is will he at least be able to use the Blu-ray burner to burn BD discs? The only issue should be that his Mac can't play Blu-ray movies?

It should be able to burn Blu-ray Discs with Toast.

 

[KnightWRX]

my 2010 CR-V has a USB port that i hook my iphone up to. haven't used car cd in years.

i wouldn't get this anyway. i'd just buy an ipad instead of in car blu ray

In car blu-ray is for the kids who want to watch a movie in the mini-van. Same for in car DVD. Trust me, you'll get it once you get kids because you'd rather they sit there like little zombies watching a movie on their own headrest mounted screen (1 each) than fighting over who gets the iPad and charging cable.