10.0 - 10.2 comes to mind.
Snow Leopard had teething issues as well that I'd rather not get in to.
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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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Snow Leopard had teething issues as well that I'd rather not get in to.
Rubbish.
Windows has the quantity. It doesn't have the same quality of 3rd party apps. When I'm searching for an app for a friend, I would think "oh, this should be easy, Windows has loads of programs", and yet, I wasn't able to find a good backup program (something like SuperDuper or CCC). Nor have I been able to find a Windows burning program as good as Toast. Note when I say "good", I include the UI as well as technical capabilities.
Businesses choose Windows because either it's cheaper, or it's the most common OS, or they want something to run IE6 and Excel 2003.
I laughed for about 30 seconds after reading that. I will remember that next time i am trying to watch a blu ray on a mac.
With Mac, there is no workaround for my daily tasks - it "just works." For example, Disk Utility is a powerful tool. I can clone my hard disk without the need for 3rd party tools. Back on my Windows days, I had to buy Norton Ghost. On Mac, Disk Utility is free.
Don't worry I won't. I like not having to jump through hoops to get something to work.
No kidding, it is so difficult on my windows machine to burn a blu ray video with a custom menu unlike the simplistic way you do the exact same thing on a mac. It is so difficult to play a blu ray in my Sony, unlike the ease of playing one on a mac.
I understand how difficult it would be to download a program like clonezilla for free which will clone any hard drive. I can do anything, and far more, than you can do on your mac with my Sony. I need a computer that will work, not one that i stoke my epeen to. Steve must be so happy to have drones recycling his talking points without thinking for themselves.
No kidding, it is so difficult on my windows machine to burn a blu ray video with a custom menu unlike the simplistic way you do the exact same thing on a mac. It is so difficult to play a blu ray in my Sony, unlike the ease of playing one on a mac.
I call that "Steve Jobs embarrassing me infront of my friends".
Wow more windows bashing, However I think you mean the Apple mindset is - let's release an alpha version of product, charge people money for testing it, lack obvious features, release the beta with one more feature, and charge people money again.....
I think I would be Windows bashing if I spent all my time on Windows forums making fun of Windows while being a Mac user, but I don't. I have no idea why Windows users would want to spend all their time on a Mac specific forum bashing Apple.
Then again, MS has been known to have their employees join Mac forums to try and tell Apple users how much better Windows is - which it isn't. LOL
Hey Ballmer if you are reading this, keep up the good work.
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Okay, remember that too when you get your next virus - LOL
A friend just had another Windows virus. He's going Mac now since noticing my trouble free computing since I went Linux and Mac.
BTW - I have video professional colleagues who have clients like the National Football League and Fortune 500 companies based in my city (i.e. a big maker of cereal, a large electronics retailer whose logo is a black and yellow price tag on a blue background, another large retailer with a red target for their logo) and they use Macs because they would never trust their reputation with Windows. And guess what, OWC solves their BD on Mac issues.
They have Xserves and Mac Pros and after dropping that kind of money, a few hundred bucks to get BD is a non issue for them.If it is difficult to find a good program for Windows, it's only because of too much choices. Obviously Nero is as good as Toast (but has more features). For more choices, look at this comparison page.
Acronis True Image and Norton Ghost are obvious replacements for SD and CCC. This page shows comparison for 10 best disk imaging applications for Windows. As far as regular backup is concerned, the one in Windows 7 is actually pretty good.
You are very wrong about Windows being cheaper. As per Amazon:
Mac OS X Snow Leopard - $115
Windows 7 Ultimate - $270
Windows 7 is more expensive but it offers much more features.
And much more bugs. My colleague says Windows 7 runs better as a VM in Virtual Box than as a physical machine. LOL
I have a client I moved to Linux and have them run XP in a VM on Virtual Box (they still have legacy Windows Apps) and XP has no issues as a VM as opposed to when it was a physical machine.
Sorry, I am not going to buy it, I have real world test cases and reputable colleagues that attest to the instability of anything Windows.
Uhh, no - Snow Leopard is $26 and free shipping.
http://www.amazon.com/Mac-version-1..._1_1?s=software&ie=UTF8&qid=1294875071&sr=1-1
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That's what we ended up using. I hope he's still backing up.
Uh... You do know that Mac OS is only that cheap because to use it, you (presumably) already purchased a computer from Apple.
Seeing as I can't buy either of those Amazon products, sit them on my desk and run a business, I thought it was pretty obvious that I meant a Windows system is cheaper than a Mac system.
Don't worry, it was obvious. That forum member has been wrong about many things already like how nobody develops software for Macs ( I almost spit my drink out I was laughing so hard) and the wrong Snow Leopard price on Amazon.
OS/X is cheap but not that cheap. $26 is for upgrade. Full version costs $115
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If you have to author fully functioning Blu-ray dics it's easier, IMO, to go with a Windows solution than to jump through all the hoops, or dare I say "workarounds", to try and achieve the same level of functionality on the Mac. I know of more than one shop that went that route and has been producing Blu-ray's for 2-3 years now. Apple wasn't a viable option, or wasn't the best option, so they went else where. Not to sound all sanctimonious but consummate professionals should go with the best tool for the job regardless of the manufacturer. I'd never trust my rep to an inferior solution just to stay brand loyal.BTW - I have video professional colleagues who have clients like the National Football League and Fortune 500 companies based in my city (i.e. a big maker of cereal, a large electronics retailer whose logo is a black and yellow price tag on a blue background, another large retailer with a red target for their logo) and they use Macs because they would never trust their reputation with Windows. And guess what, OWC solves their BD on Mac issues.
After dropping so much money I'm sure they are thrilled w/the lack of attention to the Pro Apps for the last few years and the discontinuation of the Xserve line. In my mind, and many other editor's, it's sink or swim time for FCP and our IT guys are stockpiling Xserves so they have plenty of replacements on hand while they figure out what the next server solution is going to be.
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They should have plenty of time.
My colleague's Xserve is from 2002 and has been running 24/7 with original hard disks. He has not had a need for the emergency repair kit he bought either. Talk about quality.
I dig your avatar, big skins fan here. Taylor was a beast!
Wouldn't (considering money isn't a problem) Apple be fine for BRD authoring anyways? I mean technically a good iMac or Macpro with a BRD hooked up can author just fine depending what software you use. FCP supports Blu ray, or Adobe. Its just a lot more data which is made from the hard disk then finally just burned to a disk.
Just curious, it seems either way works for Blu ray authoring.
We burn through a handful of HDDs a year and even had an entire RAID chassis go south once. But it sounds like our environment is larger and more demanding than your colleague's. We have about 40 seats connected to 3 xSans containing a combined 140TB of storage (give or take).They should have plenty of time.
My colleague's Xserve is from 2002 and has been running 24/7 with original hard disks. He has not had a need for the emergency repair kit he bought either. Talk about quality.
I had a G4 PowerMac from '02 as my daily driver computer up until about 18 months ago when the power supply died. I loved that machine but everything fails eventually.
Lethal
I would make the same accusation about you, except apple would be embarrassed by your posts.
A mac site bashing Ballmer...I have never once had a virus, i have had friends fall for phishing websites on a mac though.
The New England Patriots all use Windows, and they use blu ray. The it department can call up any play, player in any game and create custom blu rays for the defensive and offensive players and coaches. I have done work for the NFL and they require us to have the ability to produce blu ray discs.
I guess you live in Richfield, Minnesota, where that company is based, however you are either misinformed, blissfully ignorant, or just lying. Best Buy uses windows, just go into any one of their hundreds of stores and you will see. The internet shipping department, and home offices uses windows also, The RSS software they use in not available on a mac. Both companies are primarily using PC because the software they need in not available for macs and the price of a change to mac from a pc is in the tens of millions. Your claim that the would never trust their reputation with windows is a complete out right lie.
I am not sure if you are just posting and not reading or if you can not comprehend what you are reading. Second i find it somewhat ironic how you froth at the mouth in rage over needing to buy ghost for windows, yet have no problem hooking up an external drive to get minimal functionality on a blu ray drive.
Same difference with Snow Leopard, why don't you save some cash? Besides, you strike me as the torrent type, anyway. And seriously, what does this have to do with whether it can play BD?
I laughed for about 30 seconds after reading that. I will remember that next time i am trying to watch a blu ray on a mac.
No kidding, it is so difficult on my windows machine to burn a blu ray video with a custom menu unlike the simplistic way you do the exact same thing on a mac. It is so difficult to play a blu ray in my Sony, unlike the ease of playing one on a mac.
I understand how difficult it would be to download a program like clonezilla for free which will clone any hard drive. I can do anything, and far more, than you can do on your mac with my Sony. I need a computer that will work, not one that i stoke my epeen to. Steve must be so happy to have drones recycling his talking points without thinking for themselves.
I call that "Steve Jobs embarrassing me infront of my friends".
Same reply to each of the three above posts re: Steve Jobs.
Unfortunately, ACTIONS SPEAK EVEN LOUDER THAN WORDS.
ROFL!
Like in professional video content creation for example, where you have to buy a copy of Adobe Premiere and that dreadful Windows OS to author a BD disc and proof-watch it, because your $3'500 Mac flagship + $200 external BD burner + $1000 Final Cut Studio are not up to such a task without an additional $900 help from Apple's arch-enemies?!?!?!
My prediction: Within five years Apple will leave the whole market of professional video, multimedia content creation, audio and desktop publishing to Microsoft and Adobe and kill the Mac Pro desktop line. The axing of the Xserve and their BD non-commitment was just the beginning of the end of Apple's relationship with us professional creative content creators.
Why still serving a bunch of sophisticated, demanding and whiney customers, when you have millions of subservient iSheep who are satisfied with the lowest common denominator?
My hopes and dreams will be taken away, one USB port at a time.
It's such a two-edged sword. Without iPods, Apple may have died off. I love my iPhone, it's the greatest phone I've ever used. However, I wish Apple weren't selling iPads, iPhones and iPods - as well as all the online music/movies so damn efficiently, to the point where the Mac is all but forgotten.
If Apple were so much as 50:50 iToy:Mac, or even 70:30, the professional market would have trouble keeping it in their pants. *Thinks back to the unveiling of FireWire, the G3 Pismo and the PowerMac G5.*
Sadly I believe you will be correct. Apple is the oddest company I have ever seen, the behavior is like that of a child. I guarantee X-serve made them money. Why axe it? Guessing they want to free up people to work on iDevices, same when nutJobs comes out and says the following about the MacPro, "We just weren't selling any of them." sent from his iPad of course.
Writing is on the wall really. They are playing in a fickle market were the iDevices compete. The iPod sales will lower as more people use their smart-phones for the same tasks. Also people are not loyal to phones and they change frequently. If the continued to cater to the professional creators out there like they use to then you have loyalty. People that will stick around for the long haul.
Unbelievable they are basically turning their back on profits. Much smaller at the time but profit is profit.
Wanna provide us with a link to this mythical $115 version of Snow Leopard? Hint: it doesn't and never did, exist.
Previous versions of the OS cost $129. Never $115, not sure where you plucked that number from, but it's not based in any version of reality I'm familiar with.
Snow Leopard is sold two ways (in addition of course to with a new machine):
$29 for the standalone upgrade. Ostensibly, this requires 10.5, although there is no technical limitation, and I have not ever seen a clause in the SLA that actually requires that (only marketing).
$169 for the Mac Box Set, which includes iLife '11 and iWork '09. This is the official path for anyone with 10.4 (earlier versions don't apply because none of them ran on machines capable of running Snow Leopard).
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