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Haha... so you're saying that mobile devices such as the iPod touch and the iPhone and the iPad are merely part of some trend... and like a bubble they're just gonna go <POOF> and disappear one day. L:DL. Dream on, oh visionary one.

I know, the silly thing about his bubble theory is he thinks that the unsustainability of this growth for the long term somehow leads back to the high end segment as the savior.....lol!!!

Truth is that Apple can and maybe is already on the way to completely abandoning that market, IYAM.

Even when the bubble pops they wont be turning to the Mac Pro to prop them up, they will be trying to exploit the halo effect on thier lower end computers and laptops.

And even when the bubble pops, its not going to stop the iphone from being a best seller, and the ipad is just getting started.

Dudes just so tunnelvisioned that it completely blinds him from the reality of the situation IYAM.
 
Brilliant. Problem solved everybody. It's great somebody came along and joined MR to post that useful suggestion, given that no-one had even thought of it in the last 182 pages.
 
Brilliant. Problem solved everybody. It's great somebody came along and joined MR to post that useful suggestion, given that no-one had even thought of it in the last 182 pages.

A bit harsh dont you think?

Apple will add blu-ray support when they announce it. Which will probably be never. Or when Blu-ray becomes such a de-facto standard that they are forced too..... oh wait that already happened.....
It really cant be that difficult to include blu-ray superdrives (super-superdrives?) and a small software update for DVD Player (Bluray Player?). They could just have it as a build to order option and make us pay exorbitant prices for it. Until then my ps3 will suffice. It wouldn't be so bad if itunes content wasn't all 853x480 SD content in Australia.
 
Unfortunately opinion and anecdotal evidence aren't the same thing as facts. Don't you think it's a bit arrogant to assume that what works for you and the handful of videographers you know (as if no one else could know anyone in TV/film production or, gasp, even work in that industry themselves) works for everyone else?

Yeah, I'd like to hear some industry people in LA and NY speak up, someone like Van Ling.

Second, BD in Macs is solved by OWC for those that really need the ability to store/write their work to BD disc. There is no need to carry on for 5000 posts. Apple is not going under because of lack of BD. Windows machines are still horrible even though they have BD.

First, you know buying a drive from OWC does not mean you can play back movies. Since you keep repeating this lie, you are either a liar or obtuse.

Secondly, I "switched" to Macs when they went Intel. I'm typing this on a first gen Mac Pro. I've heavily bought into the Apple ecosystem. The one place where I still keep using PCs is for, ironically, HOME THEATER and ENTERTAINMENT. Apple doesn't do Blu-Ray. Apple doesn't do multichannel surround music and until a few months ago couldn't even output multichannel sound over HDMI. So while I'd like to go completely Mac, I can't. Ironically, the Mac just isn't a good platform for high end media consumption (or production). What's connected to my 65" 3D plasma? It isn't a Mac. It's a PC with a much better video card than anything available in any Mac, that can do not only Blu-Ray but 3D Blu-Ray as well. Wow, Apple is sooooo behind the times. But keep thinking iCrap is leading edge.

Furthermore, I have THREE choices for Blu-Ray playback on Windows, versus ZERO on OSX.

Since I'm forced to use Windows in those applications, I can say, Win7 x64 isn't bad. It's quite good. Since Apple is stagnating with actual OSX innovations, Windows has mostly caught up. The next innovation we're hearing about for OSX is an iOS style touch interface. No thanks!

Anybody alive more than 25 years knows why Windows became dominant, and it had zero to do with it being a superior product. Come on, AS. You know it to be true.

In many ways it WAS a superior product (just not in the ways Mac fanboys appreciate) and that's why people chose it. Applications, applications, applications -- and variety. Ironically that's the same reason creative professionals, many of whom were those very same Mac fanboys in the early days, are souring on the Mac.
 
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What is wrong with buying an external blu-ray writer/player with toast for mac.

Absolutely nothing at all. That's what I would do if I needed a BD in my Mac. I wouldn't sacrifice my business operations by having a buggy OS like Windows just to have BD. Apple's Q1 financials clearly show that people want an OS that is reliable and hardware that holds its value longer than the PC junk out there. OWC (linux2mac's other favorite store) takes care of the BD issue on Macs for the half a dozen or so that are upset about no BD in Macs. Besides 1080p will soon be old technology - enter 4K - LOL

My car should be here soon to take me to MSP. I'll be watching media free inflight movies compliments of my iPhone4 and iTunes. It sure beats carrying a back pack full of DVD/BD cases.
 
My car should be here soon to take me to MSP. I'll be watching media free inflight movies compliments of my iPhone4 and iTunes. It sure beats carrying a back pack full of DVD/BD cases.

Have fun watching a limited subset of what's available on a 3" screen, and remember to sync your device before you go.
 
Absolutely nothing at all. That's what I would do if I needed a BD in my Mac.

It is amazing, no wait, it's pathetic how many times you have posted this lie which has been proven to be a lie, but don't let facts or reality stop you.


I wouldn't sacrifice my business operations by having a buggy OS like Windows just to have BD.

Inbsert mandatory one per post windows bashing.


Apple's Q1 financials clearly show that people want an OS that is reliable and hardware that holds its value longer than the PC junk out there.

My bad, insert mandatory second windows bashing per post. I am sure you have numbers that show more macs were sold vs windows, since that is what you are claiming.

OWC (linux2mac's other favorite store) takes care of the BD issue on Macs for the half a dozen or so that are upset about no BD in Macs.

I am amazed that you would post something that has been proven to be a lie twice in one post. What is most disingenuous about this argument is how furious you got when windows needed another program to do something you wanted, yet that work around (which only gives you partial function) and this "solution" is acceptable.


My car should be here soon to take me to MSP. I'll be watching media free inflight movies compliments of my iPhone4 and iTunes. It sure beats carrying a back pack full of DVD/BD cases.

What kind of car do you take, since some cars have microsoft sync in them and I am sure you would refuse to ride in such a car. Enjoy the eye strain and sore fingers from watching a 3 inch screen. I will not have the same strain watching a blu ray on a 15 inch screen sitting on the tray table on my flight tomorrow.
 
My fave comment was this "Nice communicating with you pro BD folks but I have an early flight to go meet a new client tomorrow. Can't wait to get their office off Windows, they will be much happier. Actually their problem is due to Windows and why am I not surprised."

So instead of investigating the issue with is client and coming up with a simple solution, he's going to recommend moving the entire business to a different platform that no-one is familiar with.

I'm amazed linux2mac is still in business, that's if he really is in business and isn't just a one-man band trying to spread his fanatical views on others, like a Jehovas Witness :D
 
If I needed more computing power than my C2D iMac I would get a Mac Pro even without BD and would never consider a crappy Windows box. (BTW - its amazing at how much the iMac with the C2D chip can do over faster Windows PC junk out there).

you are seriously trying to get me to believe that a core2duo mac is more productive than a PC with 16GB of DDR3 1600MHz ram, a sandybridge 2600K cpu, nvidia GTX580 video cards and Crucial C300 SSDs?

im comparing the 2 because the imac is well over $1500 and the equiv PC will have the stuff i just mentioned

im sorry but encoding a video will take you maybe 3 hours and the PC 25min, which is more productive?

for comparison, my laptop with an i7 (which is much faster than a c2d) can do superpi to 1M digits in about 14 seconds, the 2600K can do 32M digits in the same time. that is the speed difference we are talking about, with a good multi threaded encoder you can divide that time by 8 instead of 2 further widening the gap in time saved
 
My fave comment was this "Nice communicating with you pro BD folks but I have an early flight to go meet a new client tomorrow. Can't wait to get their office off Windows, they will be much happier. Actually their problem is due to Windows and why am I not surprised."

So instead of investigating the issue with is client and coming up with a simple solution, he's going to recommend moving the entire business to a different platform that no-one is familiar with.

I'm amazed linux2mac is still in business, that's if he really is in business and isn't just a one-man band trying to spread his fanatical views on others, like a Jehovas Witness :D

Wow. Does one really need to point out you are really dipping into the old hyperbole jar with "a different platform that no-one is familiar with" or the sheer hypocrisy of posting such a comment in a forum dedicated to said platform? Wait, I just did. :D

Feel free to ignore every study that reflects TCO for Macs is usually less than PCs. When his clients realize how much they save in IT support by dumping their full-time sys admin, I am sure they will appreciate it.
 
You're a stupid, stupid, petty, vindictive, greedy, bitter old man, Steve.

Blu-ray Goes Beyond Movie Distribution With New Format



http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...eyond_movie_distribution_with_new_format.html

But I guess you'll just create your OWN proprietary format and extort users into accepting it (a la an 'iTunes 2').

I have a toshiba laptop with a blue-ray drive and i've never even touched a blu-ray disc... i download my movies, not rent. and about storage, not only have i enough gigabytes on my laptop, but i also have an external hard drive. it might be more expensive but have you considered how much can you trust a disc? I mean you can't use a disc as a backup, it may break any time...
 
I have a toshiba laptop with a blue-ray drive and i've never even touched a blu-ray disc... i download my movies, not rent. and about storage, not only have i enough gigabytes on my laptop, but i also have an external hard drive. it might be more expensive but have you considered how much can you trust a disc? I mean you can't use a disc as a backup, it may break any time...

So can anything, I mean your external hard drive is a essentially a fragile disc or two in a metal box that is susceptible to being corrupted by holding a magnet too near. Multiple media for important back-ups is a good idea, each have their own advantages and disadvantages.
 
I work at a company during the week and own my own company so i can say that too. :p

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It's nice that you've analyzed their problem and have a solution before you've even met and talked to them.

This client was referred by another client that I implemented a hybrid Linux/OSX solution. They came to me because they wanted an alternative solution to Windows. No need for me to mention why on earth a small business owner was sick of Windows. And guess what? They came to the right guy. :D

Now this smart-ass Mac rookie…….

Let's see, since October of 2009 I bought the following for my company (4) Minis, (1) Mini Server, (2) 13" MBP's,
(1) 15" MBP, (1) 27" C2D iMac, (1) 27" i7 iMac, so that is about $11K of my money (earned by ending my clients Windows woes) that went to Apple. Of course I am not counting all my other iToys. So if you think I am a rookie I wonder what you call the guy that just buys one Mac.

Yup, just like McDonald's is probably 1,234,567.89 times more "popular" than Outback Steakhouse. Ubiquity matters, because market-share totally trumps good taste. (Lady G, Britney, Katy, Ke$ha). Way to go!

Exactly my thinking. Aiden's comment just shows how bad the MS ship is listing.

you are seriously trying to get me to believe that a core2duo mac is more productive than a PC with 16GB of DDR3 1600MHz ram, a sandybridge 2600K cpu, nvidia GTX580 video cards and Crucial C300 SSDs?

You win, my PHP/MySQL coding will be faster on the VI editor on a PC with Sandybridge.

Feel free to ignore every study that reflects TCO for Macs is usually less than PCs. When his clients realize how much they save in IT support by dumping their full-time sys admin, I am sure they will appreciate it.

Bingo! My clients are the small to mid size businesses that are sick of Windows -and there is plenty of them. Business owners that had drunk the Windows Kool Aid learned from linux2mac there was a better and less costly way (Think long term on the cost side from a business owner's perspective. Actually never mind, most of you guys are still employees and love those annual performance reviews.) No need for me to worry about the pro Windows folks dipping into my pot. I take pride in ridding businesses of Windows like an exterminator eradicates cockroaches. New idea, I should change my name from linux2mac to WindowsTerminator - LOL


As an aside, I'm not sure which market you are working in, but you just may want to up your fees. A friend of mine is a successful wedding videographer, and he brings in almost twice that working by himself at events. You may be undercutting yourself. Also, he eschews BD and says most of his clients prefer DVD as many of their family members do not have BD players.

There are bottom feeders in every industry.
 
you are seriously trying to get me to believe that a core2duo mac is more productive than a PC with 16GB of DDR3 1600MHz ram, a sandybridge 2600K cpu, nvidia GTX580 video cards and Crucial C300 SSDs?

im comparing the 2 because the imac is well over $1500 and the equiv PC will have the stuff i just mentioned

im sorry but encoding a video will take you maybe 3 hours and the PC 25min, which is more productive?

for comparison, my laptop with an i7 (which is much faster than a c2d) can do superpi to 1M digits in about 14 seconds, the 2600K can do 32M digits in the same time. that is the speed difference we are talking about, with a good multi threaded encoder you can divide that time by 8 instead of 2 further widening the gap in time saved
Are you running OSX on this PC? Yesterday Windows Explorer decided to stop working with Outlook properly, or vice versa. Turned normal tasks into redundant annoyances. A faster cpu would not have helped. I can only click click click click click click so fast.
 
Unless your whole disc collection, you might as well stick with regular DVD's. DVD's are a less expensive option, which people shouldn't disagree with too much. If you disc collection is mostly Blu-Ray movies, then you would probably be better off to buy an external player.
 
Haha... so you're saying that mobile devices such as the iPod touch and the iPhone and the iPad are merely part of some trend... and like a bubble they're just gonna go <POOF> and disappear one day. L:DL. Dream on, oh visionary one.

I didn't say that. I said that, without the cutting edge cachet provided by high end cutting edge workstations, Apple toys are easily wiped out by cheaper and better competition. Once Apple is perceived as no longer cutting edge and special, fickle kids will go to cheaper manufacturers. Detract Job's fetishes, and competition that can do things Apple refuses to looks even better.

No, those numbers do not include the toy segment, unless you are counting laptops as toys.

Laptops are their own issue, because most people are forced to replace them once they drop. It's safe to say for every desktop sold, the unwary consumer will buy at least three laptops.

I dont care if the rate of growth in the i-department is unsustainable, it doesn't need to be. Fact remains that if Apple didn't care about toys and was still catering to your market exclusively, they'd be out of business.

Does that mean they SHOULD abandon that segment? Arguable, but it looks like they have, regardless.

I'm not saying it makes me happy, just the way it is.

And you really are dellusional if you think steve taking leave means BD in your machines in the near term.

So tell me, just for ***** and grins, lets say they implement the changes tomorrow and BD will now be supported. What is your next step personally?

My job becomes infinitely easier. I've already bought an eightcore and twelvecore this year, and I won't have to divest and change all my software to windows.

But then I start lobbying to update FCS, Logic, and Shake.

And I've never argued they abandon the toy market; just give their higher end equal time.

I know, the silly thing about his bubble theory is he thinks that the unsustainability of this growth for the long term somehow leads back to the high end segment as the savior.....lol!!!

Do Japanese and Chinese manufacturers still make cheap musical keyboards today? Yes.

Are ALL the HUMONGOUS US organ manufacturers (and there were at least twelve of them) of the 70's out of business by the 90's? Save two, yes.

Did they go out of business because they chose to chase Casio and other cheap foreign brand TOY KEYBOARDS? Yes.

Did it work? At first. Then dismal failure as they could not compete with cheaper and superior competition. It took awhile, but even their high end suffered because of their failing toys. Even killing their piano divisions in the case where such existed (Baldwin).

Did the two US organ makers (Rodgers and Allen) that survive choose to cater to only the high end market (churches and millionaires) and quit making cheap Casio keyboards? Yes.

What people like you don't get is that iPods and iPhones existed in the 60's. Try and find transistor radios and walkie talkie sets now.

Or slinkys.

Cheap iCrap is easily copied, easily discarded, and with Jobs and his mental problems with Flash and Blu-ray and matte screens at the helm, easily bettered. And even the great and mighty Jobs can only travel so far on momentum from the days when Apple computers WERE cutting edge and the go-to computer for creative content PROFESSIONALS.

And as far as a "mobile world", people who think desktops will disappear are the same folks who back in 1961 insisted we'd all be flying around in Jetsons aircars by 1975.

Desktops will never disappear. People who work hard for a living want to be able to LEAVE their work BEHIND when they leave their desks.

:apple:

P.S. Rodgers only survives because ROLAND of JAPAN bought it. PRECISELY to add a cutting-edge high end cachet to their cheaper keyboard line.
 
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Let's see, since October of 2009 I bought the following for my company (4) Minis, (1) Mini Server, (2) 13" MBP's,
(1) 15" MBP, (1) 27" C2D iMac, (1) 27" i7 iMac, so that is about $11K of my money (earned by ending my clients Windows woes) that went to Apple. Of course I am not counting all my other iToys. So if you think I am a rookie I wonder what you call the guy that just buys one Mac.
We were discussing Mac high-end USERS, not the Mac salesman skills you are constantly bragging about...

Back when I was evangelical cultist, I too made a lot of people switch. But it is something I now deeply regret. Because the most obnoxious Mac users are Windows switchers who infested our platform with the ridiculous low standards they were used to! Now these former Windows victims are drunkenly praising the gospel of "good enough" and the miracle of "it just works" - and in their delusion of grandeur they mistake both for progress.

But the fact is: After escaping Windows hell even mediocrity might look like paradise!
 
I have a toshiba laptop with a blue-ray drive and i've never even touched a blu-ray disc... i download my movies, not rent. and about storage, not only have i enough gigabytes on my laptop, but i also have an external hard drive. it might be more expensive but have you considered how much can you trust a disc? I mean you can't use a disc as a backup, it may break any time...

The number of hard drives that have failed on me is about 10x greater than the number of optical disks that have failed. I can only think of maybe 2 optical disks that have ever failed on me in 25 years of use. I had a dual layer DVD oxidize in between layers (a common problem with early dvds because the layers are glued together) and one gold CD-R that oxidized. Hard drives, however, should be expected to fail. I've had two disk failures in my 5 disk NAS in about 5 years of operation. Laptop drives especially fail all the time because of their tight spacing and heat constraints. Notably if one upgrades to a high capacity 7200rpm drive.

I used to work for a company that was developing a NAS product line and in the lab we had about 30 boxes each running from 2-8 disk arrays. After 6 months into the project drives were dropping like flies. So go ahead and believe hard disks are safe, because they are NOT.

FWIW I have about 6TB on a NAS for my storage. I stopped ripping DVDs and Blu-Rays because it's a waste of disk space when you use them infrequently and they hog up space that is better used by photographs and music.
 
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We were discussing Mac high-end USERS, not the Mac salesman skills you are constantly bragging about...

Back when I was evangelical cultist, I too made a lot of people switch. But it is something I now deeply regret. Because the most obnoxious Mac users are Windows switchers who infested our platform with the ridiculous low standards they were used to! Now these former Windows victims are drunkenly praising the gospel of "good enough" and the miracle of "it just works" - and in their delusion of grandeur they mistake both for progress.

But the fact is: After escaping Windows hell even mediocrity might look like paradise!

Ok, I see your point. Well put. I like the analogy. That's pretty much what it was, "Windows hell" for almost two decades.
 
Unless your whole disc collection, you might as well stick with regular DVD's. DVD's are a less expensive option, which people shouldn't disagree with too much. If you disc collection is mostly Blu-Ray movies, then you would probably be better off to buy an external player.

Sorry, "Unless your whole disc collection" ... what? 'Unless you're replacing' ?
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make there MACAPALOOZA.

DVDs are a less expensive option, but that doesn't really address the point about a lack of Blu-ray support in OS X. Windows PCs are generally a less expensive option than Macs (well, certainly at entry-level points, arguably at almost any level), but many Mac users prefer to spend a little more for an experience they perceive as better. It's just a shame Steve Jobs won't extend that philosophy to home video formats in OS X... (or music downloads for that matter... why are they still not selling lossless audio if we are supposed to be able to download GBs of movies?!). He'll sell Disney Pixar Blu-rays to Windows owners though.
 
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