Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[charlituna]

Maybe when you "colleagues" are ready to move up to the big time they will realize that BR is a requirement.

And maybe his colleagues will do what mine and my own company did.

Invest in 3rd party burners and 3rd party software. To use with our collection of Mac Pros and i7 iMacs.

No need for native support.

We have one computer that has a Boot Camp set up to preview on a computer and then when we have what we feel is final form we walk down the hall to our viewing room, pop it in the stand alone with the 50 inch TV and do the final test.

Wasn't that expensive or difficult to set up and work with.

And being in the industry I work with a lot of prod cos, FX houses and Annie shops. None of them have an issue with having a similar set up. They don't whine that a predominantly consumer focused company should do everything to suit their needs and right now. They take what they have, sort out the rest and get back to their work

What is wrong with buying an external blu-ray writer/player with toast for mac.

Nothing. As you are new to the board (and welcome) you are not aware that there are several camps here. One of those is the super geek "we want everything to serve our needs, exactly the way that we want it done, for the price we want, at the time we want it or it is utter tripe and crap" camp. Many of the folks whining about the lack of native blu-ray support by Apple and how stupid Jobs is for being a hater, how the company (they feel) has ditched pro users for their ipad etc toys are from this camp. No matter what you say around said camp, no matter how logical it is, if it isn't "I agree with you 100%" then it is wrong and you are dumb. You'll get used to it.

You'll learn the other camps as you go along. They include: the "Apple is ***** and always will be" troll camp, the "I try to look at this as Apple would" camp and so on.

 

[wovel]

you are seriously trying to get me to believe that a core2duo mac is more productive than a PC with 16GB of DDR3 1600MHz ram, a sandybridge 2600K cpu, nvidia GTX580 video cards and Crucial C300 SSDs?

im comparing the 2 because the imac is well over $1500 and the equiv PC will have the stuff i just mentioned

im sorry but encoding a video will take you maybe 3 hours and the PC 25min, which is more productive?

for comparison, my laptop with an i7 (which is much faster than a c2d) can do superpi to 1M digits in about 14 seconds, the 2600K can do 32M digits in the same time. that is the speed difference we are talking about, with a good multi threaded encoder you can divide that time by 8 instead of 2 further widening the gap in time saved

Link to the pre-built PC with those exact specs please, I can not find one anywhere near 1500. I even went over 1500 trying to build one on new-egg myself. That was just in parts, the labor costs would have pushed me well into Mac Pro territory.

Note a 256GB C300 is going to cost $475 off ebay, more anywhere else. You even mention multiples of them. (I presume you would go with 256GB because you went on to discuss video and anything else would be totally pointless)

As a mostly irrelevant side note, your configuration does not exist in an all one from anyone, so for anyone who values form it is non-starter.

 

[wonderspark]

And maybe his colleagues will do what mine and my own company did.

Invest in 3rd party burners and 3rd party software. To use with our collection of Mac Pros and i7 iMacs.

No need for native support.

We have one computer that has a Boot Camp set up to preview on a computer and then when we have what we feel is final form we walk down the hall to our viewing room, pop it in the stand alone with the 50 inch TV and do the final test.

Wasn't that expensive or difficult to set up and work with.

And being in the industry I work with a lot of prod cos, FX houses and Annie shops. None of them have an issue with having a similar set up. They don't whine that a predominantly consumer focused company should do everything to suit their needs and right now. They take what they have, sort out the rest and get back to their work

As you are new to the board (and welcome) you are not aware that there are several camps here. One of those is the super geek "we want everything to serve our needs, exactly the way that we want it done, for the price we want, at the time we want it or it is utter tripe and crap" camp. Many of the folks whining about the lack of native blu-ray support by Apple and how stupid Jobs is for being a hater, how the company (they feel) has ditched pro users for their ipad etc toys are from this camp. No matter what you say around said camp, no matter how logical it is, if it isn't "I agree with you 100%" then it is wrong and you are dumb. You'll get used to it.

You'll learn the other camps as you go along. They include: the "Apple is ***** and always will be" troll camp, the "I try to look at this as Apple would" camp and so on.

I'm in the same two-computer and stand-alone system camp that you're in, but wouldn't it be just a little nicer to be able to preview on the same system you edit on, or without rebooting to Windows? That's all I'm saying. Of course we all use workarounds. I can't think of many projects that didn't involve some kind of workaround or another.

 

[linux2mac]

And being in the industry I work with a lot of prod cos, FX houses and Annie shops. None of them have an issue with having a similar set up. They don't whine that a predominantly consumer focused company should do everything to suit their needs and right now. They take what they have, sort out the rest and get back to their work

Thank you!

Nothing. As you are new to the board (and welcome) you are not aware that there are several camps here. One of those is the super geek "we want everything to serve our needs, exactly the way that we want it done, for the price we want, at the time we want it or it is utter tripe and crap" camp. Many of the folks whining about the lack of native blu-ray support by Apple and how stupid Jobs is for being a hater, how the company (they feel) has ditched pro users for their ipad etc toys are from this camp. No matter what you say around said camp, no matter how logical it is, if it isn't "I agree with you 100%" then it is wrong and you are dumb. You'll get used to it.

You'll learn the other camps as you go along. They include: the "Apple is ***** and always will be" troll camp, the "I try to look at this as Apple would" camp and so on.

Nicely summed up! Obviously the few complainers hardly put a dent in Q1 2011 losses due to no BD.

Now to the rest of you pro BD folks,

I just pre-ordered my first ever Blu-Ray discs from Amazon - the complete Star Wars saga episodes 1 through 6 for $89.99. (These will probably be the only BD's I buy because number one, I am a huge Star Wars fan and number two, 4K will replace BD soon) And guess where I won't be watching them? Not on my tiny 13' MBP, definitely not on a plane with a crappy 15" PC, and not on my tiny 27" iMac. And I don't care! Because that is why I have a dedicated home theater for watching BD's!

 

[AidenShaw]

Lol

I just pre-ordered my first ever Blu-Ray discs from Amazon...

...thus affirming that quality counts.

Thanks for invalidating most of your posts on this topic - although I'm sure that you'll find some way of spinning it so that in your mind you can claim to be consistent.

 

[linux2mac]

...thus affirming that quality counts.

Thanks for invalidating most of your posts on this topic - although I'm sure that you'll find some way of spinning it so that in your mind you can claim to be consistent.

All I have to say is Q1 sales. You and all the Windows fan boys "can run and tell that!"

I never said BD had poor quality. I was never against BD either. You're like the News, you edit to what suits your views. LOL

Also, what part of "Star Wars fan" did you miss? I have the collection on every format - Laser Disc, VHS, DVD. My collection would be incomplete without BD.

 

[LethalWolfe]

I just pre-ordered my first ever Blu-Ray discs from Amazon - the complete Star Wars saga episodes 1 through 6 for $89.99. (These will probably be the only BD's I buy because number one, I am a huge Star Wars fan and number two, 4K will replace BD soon) And guess where I won't be watching them? Not on my tiny 13' MBP, definitely not on a plane with a crappy 15" PC, and not on my tiny 27" iMac. And I don't care! Because that is why I have a dedicated home theater for watching BD's!

4k soon? HD has been around for decades and it's only been in past few years that it's really started to permeate the mainstream. But whatever. Just make sure that you don't re-buy Episodes 2 and 3 because they were shot in HD. Hell, I'm actually surprised you bought this at all since that means you are financially supporting people that don't have cradle to grave Mac-centric workflows.


Lethal

 

[JAT]

So, you have the THX 9 disc LD box set? That's the only one a true fan would watch.

 

[linux2mac]

Hell, I'm actually surprised you bought this at all since that means you are financially supporting people that don't have cradle to grave Mac-centric workflows.


Lethal

"Charming to the last."

 

[archipellago]

All I have to say is Q1 sales. You and all the Windows fan boys "can run and tell that!"

4% worldwide market share...

 

[Alx9876]

I suggest that Steve Jobs should give up being a Vegetarian because he's going to die from lack of nutrition if he doesn't change up his eating habits soon.

Who in America is on the brink of death at the age of 55

 

[iEdd]

I suggest that Steve Jobs should give up being a Vegetarian because he's going to die from lack of nutrition if he doesn't change up his eating habits soon.

Wrong thread. And while I love to have a jab at how irrational vegetarians can be, as much as the next guy, it has nothing to do with why Steve's sick.

Who in America is on the brink of death at the age of 55

Not Steve, hopefully. He's taken 2-3 leaves of absence with far worse predicaments and survived. He's likely alright this time too.

 

[LethalWolfe]

"Charming to the last."

Yer the one that said you'd never higher anyone that didn't use a Mac and that you would laugh in their face. Or was it laugh them out of your office? I just figured that since you are so willing to shoot your business in the foot that you would have the willpower to resist entertainment that was created in a non-Mac-centric workflow. And on they are on Blu-ray of all things. Talk about a double-whammy. And for movies that due to age and/or originating format probably won't even gain much, if anything, by being re-mastered to the new, 4k home entertainment standard that is just around the corner! Does that make it triple-whammy?

Charming 'til the day I die.


Lethal

 

[JAT]

4k soon? HD has been around for decades and it's only been in past few years that it's really started to permeate the mainstream.

Uh, I'm not sure "1.4" qualifies as "decades".

 

[AidenShaw]

Uh, I'm not sure "1.4" qualifies as "decades".

Try 3.

The first demonstration of HDTV in the United States took place in 1981 and generated a great deal of interest.

http://www.audioholics.com/educatio...y/hdtv-past-present-and-future-part-i-history

 

[LethalWolfe]

Try 3.

And that system that was shown in the States in '81 was first demonstrated in Japan in 1969.


Lethal

 

[janstett]

And maybe his colleagues will do what mine and my own company did.

Invest in 3rd party burners and 3rd party software. To use with our collection of Mac Pros and i7 iMacs.

No need for native support.

We have one computer that has a Boot Camp set up to preview on a computer and then when we have what we feel is final form we walk down the hall to our viewing room, pop it in the stand alone with the 50 inch TV and do the final test.

So, what you're saying is, if you have a Mac shop that needs an end-to-end solution, buy a copy of Windows.

Nice, no irony there, especially for all the Mac fanatics like linux2mac who take creepy pride in not having a single Microsoft product within a 500 yard limit.

 

[janstett]

I didn't say that. I said that, without the cutting edge cachet provided by high end cutting edge workstations, Apple toys are easily wiped out by cheaper and better competition. Once Apple is perceived as no longer cutting edge and special, fickle kids will go to cheaper manufacturers. Detract Job's fetishes, and competition that can do things Apple refuses to looks even better.

Some people here are refusing to see the evidence before their eyes. We've already seen that happen with the traditional iPods which are now withering on the vine.

Once Apple's crown jewel, the iPod is now languishing. The cheap alternatives such as the Sandisk Sansa are pretty much better, cheaper options. Apple, meanwhile, has moved on to the iDevices including the iPod touch, but left the simple devices out in the cold. Save the iDevice touch, nobody would argue any iPod is cutting edge or special.

We're starting to see this decay happen with the Macs. No Blu-Ray, no USB3, no eSATA, and huge swaths of the product line are still stuck on the Core 2 Duo, et al. The Mac Pro gets a minor update every what, 2 years, and has video cards that are several generations out of date. There is no mid-line desktop at all. The Mac Mini goes years between refreshes. The reality is the Macintosh is languishing under neglect by Apple and if it weren't for residual momentum and image, people would see the Mac is becoming less and less cutting edge and special every day.

I just pre-ordered my first ever Blu-Ray discs from Amazon - the complete Star Wars saga episodes 1 through 6 for $89.99. (These will probably be the only BD's I buy because number one, I am a huge Star Wars fan and number two, 4K will replace BD soon) And guess where I won't be watching them? Not on my tiny 13' MBP, definitely not on a plane with a crappy 15" PC, and not on my tiny 27" iMac. And I don't care! Because that is why I have a dedicated home theater for watching BD's!

Well, sorry you won't be able to watch them on your Mac (without booting into Windows) or transfer them to your iPod. Hope you don't want to watch them the next time you're on a plane trip.

Why didn't you just wait for them to appear on the iTunes Movie Store (if they ever do)? Are you advocating that people should buy two (or more) copies -- one from the iTunes store, one on DVD, one on Blu-Ray, to have it on all their devices?

Oh wait, Star Wars isn't available on iTunes in any form. Can't you stream it from Netflix or Hulu? Oh gosh, I guess physical media isn't dead.

-or-

"Star Wars not coming to streaming anytime soon..."

 

[wizzerandchips]

Really, seems there first quarter year sales figures of shipped macs is up 27% on last year , and 71% increase overall, doesn't look like this is a company with products that people are bored with, just an influx of new customer, with apple fanboys buying anything new that comes out. I thought when the iPhone cane out I would never need to upgrade the hardware, just the software would need upgrading, i now have iPhone 1,3G,3GS and 4, sad isn't it

 

[wizzerandchips]

4% worldwide market share...

And the second wealthiest company in the world, imagine if they had 10% share

 

[Porco]

Really, seems there first quarter year sales figures of shipped macs is up 27% on last year , and 71% increase overall, doesn't look like this is a company with products that people are bored with, just an influx of new customer, with apple fanboys buying anything new that comes out. I thought when the iPhone cane out I would never need to upgrade the hardware, just the software would need upgrading, i now have iPhone 1,3G,3GS and 4, sad isn't it

Can we just kill this straw man argument please? That Apple has sold lots of macs is great. But it doesn't mean they wouldn't have sold more with Blu-ray support, or less without... I dunno, magsafe connectors for example. We just don't know. We can only guess.

Personally, I think if Apple offered the software and hardware as options where the entire cost + some profit was passed on to any consumer who wanted to pay it I think they'd sell a few more Macs. Not a huge number more, but more.

I for one would have bought my newest Mac sooner if they'd had Blu-ray support 3 years ago. Apple lost out on some of my money largely due to their needlessly obstinate position on the issue. Assuming I keep buying macs, I might well buy one fewer than I would have done before I die. Not only that though, because frankly they've irritated me about it so much that I am predisposed to just boycotting movies on the iTunes store forever now (even if they matched BD quality/value/accessibility tomorrow), out of contrariness, on principle. And I'll probably end up spending over £100 on a BD-RW drive and a retail Windows 7 disc at some point, that I would have far rather spent on the App store, or towards another Apple product.

If all this really is about is trying to prematurely pump up iTunes movie sales I call it an own goal.

The point is, there are lots of Mac users who like their macs, like OS X, but also love Blu-ray discs. If I can't get one of my favourite channels on TV because the radio station is blocking it for negative reasons I would not ditch the TV and only listen to the radio, but I can still wish the TV had my favourite channel.

If I was in the desert and gasping for water I would not complain that the water I was given was warm and tasted bad to the point where I wouldn't drink it. But I could still wish I had a cool bottle of fresh and clean mineral water instead.

And if wanted a blue car and all they had were red ones, green ones, yellow ones and black ones I wouldn't decide I'd buy a boat instead. But I'd still want to paint it blue the first chance I got. I don't care that the manufacturer doesn't like blue because they don't get paid 30% for the dyes like they do for the other colours. In fact I'd happily pay the extra if it came in blue. Just stop telling me what colour my car has to be! I know you can paint it blue if you wanted to! I bet you even have the paint sitting in the back room just in case!

OK, enough analogies. Apple is selling record numbers of macs. That's great. It doesn't really affect any of the substantive arguments for Blu-ray support though.

 

[toke lahti]

Since I'm forced to use Windows in those applications, I can say, Win7 x64 isn't bad. It's quite good. Since Apple is stagnating with actual OSX innovations, Windows has mostly caught up.

OsX have been inferior choise for any kind of hi-quality visual work.
W7 (released in 2009) supports 10-bit colors.
SL (released in 2009) does not support 10-bit colors.

 

[JAT]

Try 3.

First public broadcast was 1996 or 7, yes? Theory doesn't matter to consumers. Actually, should probably find the first TV sold in an actual ATSC resolution, that would be the "start time" IMO.

 

[linux2mac]

Yer the one that said you'd never higher anyone that didn't use a Mac and that you would laugh in their face. Or was it laugh them out of your office? I just figured that since you are so willing to shoot your business in the foot that you would have the willpower to resist entertainment that was created in a non-Mac-centric workflow. And on they are on Blu-ray of all things. Talk about a double-whammy. And for movies that due to age and/or originating format probably won't even gain much, if anything, by being re-mastered to the new, 4k home entertainment standard that is just around the corner! Does that make it triple-whammy?

Charming 'til the day I die.


Lethal

Clever Lethal. You are right, Sun Microsystems is not Mac. Let me fix by saying that "I would never hire a video/photography professional that uses "Windows" to do contract work for me.

4% worldwide market share...

I wish you would have pointed that out to me when I was a Windows user and sick of things not working, I might have never switched to Mac because Mac can't be better with only "4%" worldwide market share. The more popular OS is the most reliable OS - LOL

Well, sorry you won't be able to watch them on your Mac (without booting into Windows) or transfer them to your iPod. Hope you don't want to watch them the next time you're on a plane trip.

Why didn't you just wait for them to appear on the iTunes Movie Store (if they ever do)? Are you advocating that people should buy two (or more) copies -- one from the iTunes store, one on DVD, one on Blu-Ray, to have it on all their devices?

Oh wait, Star Wars isn't available on iTunes in any form. Can't you stream it from Netflix or Hulu? Oh gosh, I guess physical media isn't dead.

-or-

"Star Wars not coming to streaming anytime soon..."

You actually think I would go back to Windows because I can't watch Star Wars on my Mac? Amazing. For me, Star Wars can only be enjoyed on a large screen like my fixed projection Draper Onyx in my home theater, not some crappy 15" Windows machine on a plane.

Seriously, I have no idea why anti Apple people are here trying to make Apple folks think Windows must be better because it supports BD. I gave MS a chance for almost two decades. I found that Mac is better (I jumped in at Snow Leopard) and I have converted my business to Mac, lots of family and friends, and now my clients. The reality is that everything done in the workplace for Windows can be done better, more efficiently, and less costly on a Mac.

PS - I am working on a Keynote for a conference we will be presenting at next weekend. Its amazing how well Keynote works. The best part is being able to use my iPhone to transition trough my slides. How many times have I been at presentation done in Power Point and something didn't work? You don't want me to answer that. One time the presenter could not resist poking fun of unreliable Windows. Makes Power Point look as bad Windows - oh wait it is Windows - LOL

 

[Reddkryten]

Seriously, I have no idea why anti Apple people are here trying to make Apple folks think Windows must be better because it supports BD.

But just think how much better a mac would be if it did support bluray.

If a bluray was added to the mac, would the experience suddenly become worse? Would a bluray touching a mac corrupt it instantly turning it into a windows machine with blue screens of death?

I think it's wrong to turn this debate into Mac vs. PC. This debate is more like Mac vs. Better Mac.