Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[LethalWolfe]

First public broadcast was 1996 or 7, yes? Theory doesn't matter to consumers.

'94 in Japan, '96 in the US. I agree that there is a difference between a working demo and a commercially viable product. The only reason I bring the long gestation period of HD up is because it seems some people have heard about 4k or UHD demos and are like, "Holy cow, HD is dead!" but they don't realize that similar HD demos went on for decades before HD was pushed to the masses. I'm trying to give a sense of perspective.

Clever Lethal. You are right, Sun Microsystems is not Mac. Let me fix by saying that "I would never hire a video/photography professional that uses "Windows" to do contract work for me.

Not that much better. There are number of tools, and talented artists, that you are excluding for nothing more than pointless brand loyalty to a multinational corporation. Unless you are getting kickbacks from Apple I just don't understand the point of arbitrarily limiting your potential talent pool and workflow options like that. Things like Lustre, Scratch and Pablo though are high-end products and probably fall beyond the scope of your business anyway.

Seriously, I have no idea why anti Apple people are here trying to make Apple folks think Windows must be better because it supports BD.

Why do you think people are anti-Apple for wanting Macs to have better features than they currently do now? Features that are common offerings from Apple's competition? Is the only way to be "pro-Apple" to blindly accept everything Apple does as being flawless and never saying anything critical about the company or it's products?

I think it's wrong to turn this debate into Mac vs. PC. This debate is more like Mac vs. Better Mac.

That sounds a little too civil for this thread.


Lethal

 

[leroypants]

Let me fix by saying that "I would never hire a video/photography professional that uses "Windows" to do contract work for me.

That is your loss, only the saddest frothing at the mouth fanboy would care what a project was done on rather than the outcome of the project. I have an editor that can edit on Adobe premiere, it takes the exact same time to edit on a mac vs a windows. Any talented video/photographer would have the skills to work on both. Go ahead hire less qualified professionals over more skilled based on the platform rather than talent, i wonder how long, someone will be in business based on that practice.

I wish you would have pointed that out to me when I was a Windows user and sick of things not working, I might have never switched to Mac because Mac can't be better with only "4%" worldwide market share. The more popular OS is the most reliable OS - LOL

Insert mandatory windows bashing. I am curious why Best Buy would rely on windows to run their entire business. Their inventory system, shipping and receiving, registers, pretty much everything has been run with windows for decades. It's the same with Wal-Mart, Target, Sears, etc.

You actually think I would go back to Windows because I can't watch Star Wars on my Mac? Amazing. For me, Star Wars can only be enjoyed on a large screen like my fixed projection Draper Onyx in my home theater, not some crappy 15" Windows machine on a plane.

I am not sure why is so incredibly difficult to understand for you, some people want the ability to watch a blu ray on both systems. Some people do not want to buy a blu ray to watch on their HTE system and a separate dvd to watch on their laptops because SJ is butthurt. I am not sure why a "buisness owner" can not understand why it is stupid to pay once for a blu ray and again for a dvd. What is most pathetic is how you will bash watching a movie on a 15 inch screen then rave about watching a movie on a 3 inch screen.

Seriously, I have no idea why anti Apple people are here trying to make Apple folks think Windows must be better because it supports BD. I gave MS a chance for almost two decades. I found that Mac is better (I jumped in at Snow Leopard) and I have converted my business to Mac, lots of family and friends, and now my clients.

No one is telling you that you should go back to windows, however some people have switched to windows for the superior multimedia experience.
Windows right now is better for media support, i am not sure how you can not see that, nevermind, i do know. It's just sad and pathetic that if you want apple to be better and even just want the option for blu ray, you must be anti apple, just like Steve, it is his way or the highway.

The reality is that everything done in the workplace for Windows can be done better, more efficiently, and less costly on a Mac.

That statement is simple not true and only the most biased fan boy would believe or make it. Some things can be done better on one platform, while others can not, most are done the same on both. Any qualified talented person could do the same on either platform. Second if your "claim" is a reality why has Best But, Target, Walmart etc not switched?

PS - I am working on a Keynote for a conference we will be presenting at next weekend. Its amazing how well Keynote works. The best part is being able to use my iPhone to transition trough my slides. How many times have I been at presentation done in Power Point and something didn't work? You don't want me to answer that.

I have seen plenty of times when power point has not worked and it was ALWAYS operator error. I have also seen people trying to use their iphone with keynote and it has not worked.

One time the presenter could not resist poking fun of unreliable Windows. Makes Power Point look as bad Windows - oh wait it is Windows - LOL

I saw the same thing except the presenter was bashing a computer frozen with a spinning color wheel.

 

[karsten]

Really, seems there first quarter year sales figures of shipped macs is up 27% on last year , and 71% increase overall, doesn't look like this is a company with products that people are bored with, just an influx of new customer, with apple fanboys buying anything new that comes out. I thought when the iPhone cane out I would never need to upgrade the hardware, just the software would need upgrading, i now have iPhone 1,3G,3GS and 4, sad isn't it

only problem is most of those are probably people switching from pc where the mac seems new and shiny enough compared to their borg pc. if they stay with it long enough they might see the specs lag a bit

 

[charlituna]

I'm in the same two-computer and stand-alone system camp that you're in, but wouldn't it be just a little nicer to be able to preview on the same system you edit on, or without rebooting to Windows?

It isn't really that huge of a deal to eject a disk and pop it into another machine. If we know we are reaching final form we are rebooting said system while the disk is burning.

So, what you're saying is, if you have a Mac shop that needs an end-to-end solution, buy a copy of Windows.

Would it be nice to not need that step. Sure. But at the end of the day it is the final product that matters to us because that, not being diehard anti Windows, that earns us the pay check. So we do what we need to do.

 

[cheesymogul]

Clever Lethal. You are right, Sun Microsystems is not Mac. Let me fix by saying that "I would never hire a video/photography professional that uses "Windows" to do contract work for me.

In regards to photographers your demand makes about as much sense as only hiring someone who shoots with Canons, because you prefer that brand over Nikon.
Guess what, Photoshop works on Windows too. No Mac is needed to take great pictures!

If you only need a documentary style corporate video, you easily might get away with your demand.
But please, don't dare to ask for over-the-top FX stuff or animation, because in that field it is rather unlikely you'll find a completely Windows-free studio. Especially if said work should require one of the expensive high-end graphics cards NOT SUPPORTED by Mac OS!
To calm you down, they will probably show off a few fancy Mac Pros, but as soon as you hit the door they start laughing and bootcamp into Win 7 - or even worse, fire up that piss-ugly custom-built PC rig they were hiding under a blanket...

 

[cheesymogul]

Would it be nice to not need that step. Sure. But at the end of the day it is the final product that matters to us because that, not being diehard anti Windows, that earns us the pay check. So we do what we need to do.

Yes it's true, I wish I wouldn't hate Windows with such venom. Then I probably wouldn't be so riled up about that whole BD mess!

Nothing scares me more, than the prospect that one day Apple might finally axe the Mac Pro line and sending us pros to Windows hell!
And I also hate so see the FCS updates and their other Apple pro software becoming lamer and lamer, so I'm already considering an Avid or Premiere switch.
Which probably would be a wise move anyway, because at least both support Mac/Win. Therefore I would be much better prepared for the worst case scenario of an inevitable Windows switch, should Apple be dropping their creative pro support entirely.

As much as I hate Windows, I also hate Apple for forcing us into work-arounds in a platform many of us truly despise!

 

[janstett]

You actually think I would go back to Windows because I can't watch Star Wars on my Mac? Amazing. For me, Star Wars can only be enjoyed on a large screen like my fixed projection Draper Onyx in my home theater, not some crappy 15" Windows machine on a plane.

First of all, you complain about a "crappy 15" Windows machine on a plane" but you're giddy about a 3" iPhone screen in the same situation? Secondly, why are you always bragging about your screen and not the projector that puts images on it?

For a college student or a youngster, a 27" iMac would be a nice viewing option; it wasn't that long ago that a 27" screen was considered big.

For a lot of people, the Mac Mini would be a terrific HTPC if it weren't so underpowered and incapable of playing Blu-Ray. That has nothing to do with screen size as one would attach it to whatever screen they had -- whether it's a 21" LCD or a 65" Panasonic Viera VT25 or an overhead projector on a Draper Onyx screen.

A large portion of TRUE home theater enthusiasts use a HOME THEATER PC for their needs because of flexibility, and the sophisticated playback features they offer that are better than any standalone player at any price. Unfortunately, and ironically, the Macintosh platform is not the best choice in such an application. Really befuddling, considering FRONT ROW and THE FACT THAT MACS SHIP WITH REMOTE CONTROLS, let alone Apple's past reputation for media consumption.

So go ahead and tell us all why your projector that you use to watch streaming YouTube videos and iTunes rentals isn't driven by a Mac.

Seriously, I have no idea why anti Apple people are here trying to make Apple folks think Windows must be better because it supports BD. I gave MS a chance for almost two decades. I found that Mac is better (I jumped in at Snow Leopard) and I have converted my business to Mac, lots of family and friends, and now my clients.

I'm NOT anti-Apple, far from it. I pretty much switched whole-hog during the Intel switch. Technically I had a Mac Mini G4 that I played with before that and a G3 PowerMac at work before that as a toy. So by all indications I've been in the Apple camp longer than you. Ironically, the only reason I can't complete my conversion to Apple, the reason I cannot rid my world of the PC, is because Apple is behind the times with regard to Blu-Ray, video card technology, and multichannel audio. Since I'm not a fanboy zealot eliminating Windows for the sake of it, I can see when Windows is doing something better. The bitter truth is that Windows does what the Mac used to be the best at better.

What I am against, however, is Apple dumbing down and no longer being the best platform for high end media consumption and production. Apple used to be about leading edge technology and Macs used to be the best way to consume and produce media, but they simply aren't anymore. The lack of Blu-Ray is one of MANY symptoms of this slow rot. It's pretty sad if you've been a fan of Apple for more than 2 years and/or have gotten past the fanboy stage.

 

[Decked]

After reading a fair amount on Windows bashings.... I was just wondering if Apple were any closer to installing Bluray into their iMac's?
Do they even support Bluray playback yet?
I'm looking to get an iMac but I'm holding off for a Bluray drive...... Will it happen?

 

[Porco]

For a lot of people, the Mac Mini would be a terrific HTPC if it weren't so underpowered and incapable of playing Blu-Ray.

Amen to that. I have always been tempted by the mini, and if it had had Blu-ray I think I'd have got one. But never mind, the PS3 does fine for me there, and it costs a lot less. Sony seem to get it, that you can promote online content for the people who are able to get it whilst offering support for the best that physical media can offer until it's not needed anymore.

And guess what? In the future I'm more likely to buy movies online from Sony (if at all) now than Apple, because I have their machine sitting under the TV, not Apple's.

After reading a fair amount on Windows bashings.... I was just wondering if Apple were any closer to installing Bluray into their iMac's?
Do they even support Bluray playback yet?
I'm looking to get an iMac but I'm holding off for a Bluray drive...... Will it happen?

I wouldn't wait on that basis. If they ever decide to get around to it in the OS you could probably buy an external drive at that point.

 

[pr5owner]

Link to the pre-built PC with those exact specs please, I can not find one anywhere near 1500. I even went over 1500 trying to build one on new-egg myself. That was just in parts, the labor costs would have pushed me well into Mac Pro territory.

Note a 256GB C300 is going to cost $475 off ebay, more anywhere else. You even mention multiples of them. (I presume you would go with 256GB because you went on to discuss video and anything else would be totally pointless)

As a mostly irrelevant side note, your configuration does not exist in an all one from anyone, so for anyone who values form it is non-starter.

i use dual 120GB OCZ Vertex 2s in my laptop, they work great, dual 256GB is not needed (i have a USB 3 HDD that has a 750GB drive in it for storage), Sandforce drives write faster so ill include SF drives rather than C300, sometimes C300s are cheaper during sales however

linux2mac mentioned 27" so the cheapest 27" imac from apple is $1700

Here is a comparable system to a Mac Pro for the price of the iMac (monitor not included but its not included on the macpro either and it costs more)

the case can be upgraded to anything really, you still have $60 + the case cost to upgrade (Antec 300 would work well)

OS is not needed either, every client ive been to has a VLK for both XP an W7 Ent
also group license for photo shop, and whatever other software they have

either way, the specs i mentioned, 2600K, GTX580, SSD's for close to the price of the imac, there you have it, its infinitely faster than the i3 powered imac

 

[Burger Thing]

These reoccurring hardware-price comparisons are pretty pointless IMHO, if you don't compare the form and size of the computer as well. Which are part of the specs. But then again, some people can't see the difference between a Hyundai and a Merc, so those individuals will never get it

 

[karsten]

think of it as paying a bit more to run os x on dedicated hardware. guess you have to decide if it's worth it.

 

[pr5owner]

These reoccurring hardware-price comparisons are pretty pointless IMHO, if you don't compare the form and size of the computer as well. Which are part of the specs. But then again, some people can't see the difference between a Hyundai and a Merc, so those individuals will never get it

Mac pro = Tower
Specs i listed = Tower

Hyundai Genesis Sedan V8 - fullsized sedan 375HP V8 - $31K tax in
Mercedez C300 V6 - midsized sedan 228HP V6 - $33 Tax in

the genesis out brakes, out accelerates, out handles, has better safety features, better roll over ratings, better crash rating (5 stars vs 4), has a longer warranty and can use regular fuel, quality and craftsmanship is approx the same, the genesis sedan has more features and tech such as heated and cooled seats, LSD, full NAV (merc has nav but not at 32K price point), voice control, etc, etc

you tell me which is better, hell even the resale value is on the genesis in Canada is 1% higher than the merc after 60 months

i guess you keep thinking apple hardware is in some form "Magical" or "enchanted" or some other BS, but to everyone else, a core i3/5 is a core i3/5

 

[linux2mac]

First of all, you complain about a "crappy 15" Windows machine on a plane" but you're giddy about a 3" iPhone screen in the same situation?

I don't like putting my laptop case under the seat in front of me because I prefer as much leg room as possible. Much easier to grab my iPhone out of pocket then fumble with overhead compartment.

Secondly, why are you always bragging about your screen and not the projector that puts images on it?

Not necessary. It makes no sense to buy a high end screen and then go get a projector at Costco (BTW - Costco is one of my favorite stores). And I hope no one here tries to tell me that all projectors are created equal because they are not - there are home theater forums for that.

A large portion of TRUE home theater enthusiasts use a HOME THEATER PC for their needs because of flexibility, and the sophisticated playback features they offer that are better than any standalone player at any price.

The home theater in the Wiki is not my idea of a "home theater." Looks more like a college dorm room theater. Nice to see the Mac Mini (new and older model) featured as the HTPC.

So go ahead and tell us all why your projector that you use to watch streaming YouTube videos and iTunes rentals isn't driven by a Mac.

No interest to me yet. I use my theater mainly for movie watching and sports. And yes I watch BD's in it. Remember, I never said I was opposed to BD's, I am just confused with all the Apple bashing (not saying you are but plenty here have) because of lack of BD in Macs. Again, I would never go back to Windows just for BD.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Remember, I never said I was opposed to BD's, I am just confused with all the Apple bashing (not saying you are but plenty here have) because of lack of BD in Macs. Again, I would never go back to Windows just for BD.

Just because the current state of Apple's hardware & software suits your needs doesn't meant it suits everyone's needs.


Lethal

 

[435713]

think of it as paying a bit more to run os x on dedicated hardware. guess you have to decide if it's worth it.

Yup. Nothing wrong with either really. Its not like a Mac Pro is slow, its a fine machine.

Anything custom better cost less since its a do it yourself. People do that with their homes and save a lot of dough. That said I might build a PC again since I liked having full control over every aspect. Run all my media off of that.

Anyway keep at it guys this thread is epic!!!

 

[iEdd]

Mercedez C300 V6 - midsized sedan 228HP V6 - $33 Tax in

That's cheap. In Aus:
Mercedes C200K inline 4 - midsized sedan 138kW (~185HP) - $70k tax inc.

All I got from your analogy was there'd be no point even looking at the Hyundai because a Mercedes is approximately free over there.

 

[iPhoneApple]

Jobs is now controlling our devices

 

[MacNewsFix]

Uh oh....we missed the dance. It was two days ago!!!

I love this gem from January 22, 2009:

You wouldn't know because you're an idiot. If you can't figure out the link between pro video creators switching to Windoze to deliver Blu-ray and then going to pro audio creators who've left Apple for Windoze so THEY can create audio for video delivered on Blu-ray, and how one group of companies leaving Apple wouldn't cause another linked group of companies to also leave Apple, then you are indeed the only idiot here.

First of all, they are NOT selling plenty of Mac Pros, and will continue to do so. Their higher end product is tanking, and it has nothing to do with the economy, but rather through arrogance in the face of the total ignorance of the pro content creator market you've displayed here.

If you are correct Apple won't be implementing Blu-ray ASAP, I'll meet you back here in two years to dance on Apple's grave.

And I won't be alone.

aH

And apparently Apple missed the dance, too.

I couldn't find a graph containing the last few quarters, but I have a feeling that upward trajectory continued.

 

[toke lahti]

Just because the current state of Apple's hardware & software suits your needs doesn't meant it suits everyone's needs.

Also,
because the current state of Apple's hardware & software suits your needs doesn't meant it suits your needs in the future.

I think it's really sad that now, when Apple has the financial opportunity to build amazing niche computers, it's just thinking of profits.

This started with axing of xraid. MP will be next.

How many mac users love their mac because Apple has the biggest profits in the industry?
How long there even will be mac enthusiasts?

Apple sold 1.2M desktops last quarter.
For comparison they sold 19M ipods, 16M iphones & 7M ipads.
I guess that there were something like 10,000 xserves, 100,000 MPs and the rest were imacs and minis.
If they have no interest to shine their shield with a product that sells only 5 number amounts per year, why would they sell anything that sells less than million a year?

We have heard so many times that "you can do almost same things with imac than with MP and it's much cheaper and you'll get a monitor free with it", so all we still need is that Apple will start to repeat that phrase.

 

[joshmv]

How many mac users love their mac because Apple has the biggest profits in the industry?
How long there even will be mac enthusiasts?

Apple sold 1.2M desktops last quarter.
For comparison they sold 19M ipods, 16M iphones & 7M ipads.
I guess that there were something like 10,000 xserves, 100,000 MPs and the rest were imacs and minis.
If they have no interest to shine their shield with a product that sells only 5 number amounts per year, why would they sell anything that sells less than million a year?

ugh, the very sad truth. They'll continue to put out great products, but not at the same level as before because of what you just mentioned.

 

[xbjllb]

I love this gem from January 22, 2009:




And apparently Apple missed the dance, too.

I couldn't find a graph containing the last few quarters, but I have a feeling that upward trajectory continued.

So. I missed the boat by a few months. Days away from dancing on Job's grave though, no joy in that unless it saves Apple.

And talk to me at the end of this year if they haven't implemented Blu-ray.

That's my problem. Being a BIT ahead of the curve. But not to the ludicrous and impossible extents Steve Jobs and mac fanbois go to to justify no longer making cutting edge Macs.

Apple sold 1.2M desktops last quarter.
For comparison they sold 19M ipods, 16M iphones & 7M ipads.
I guess that there were something like 10,000 xserves, 100,000 MPs and the rest were imacs and minis.
If they have no interest to shine their shield with a product that sells only 5 number amounts per year, why would they sell anything that sells less than million a year?.

The reason they didn't sell as many desktops is because they haven't been cutting edge for three years now. Plus how many of those toy sales were repeats of product that broke.

BUBBLES. POP.

 

[iEdd]

Here's a micro graph:
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The x-axis is how much money/how big Apple gets.
The y-axis is how much more like Microsoft it becomes.

 

[Porco]

Reality check for the BD haters who think the majority can download GBs of data all the time like them:

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/012411-us-internet-users-broadband.html?hpg1=bn

Two-thirds of U.S. Internet connections are slower than 5 Mbps, putting the United States well behind speed leaders South Korea and Japan.

The United States places ninth in the world in access to "high broadband connectivity," at 34% of users, including 27% of connections reaching 5 Mbps to 10 Mbps and 7% reaching above 10 Mbps, Akamai says in its latest State of the Internet Report.

Note that would be Akamai who Apple use for iTunes downloads. So their assessment is somewhat interesting to the topic at hand.

I think Blu-ray is going to be fine for many years to come with figures like that in the U.S..

 

[Hal Itosis]

So. I missed the boat by a few months. Days away from dancing on Job's grave though, no joy in that unless it saves Apple.

And talk to me at the end of this year if they haven't implemented Blu-ray.

That's my problem. Being a BIT ahead of the curve. But not to the ludicrous and impossible extents Steve Jobs and mac fanbois go to to justify no longer making cutting edge Macs.

Those beats sure are fresh!
[like a broken record... yawn]

Reality check for the BD haters

"Reality check" ?
"BD haters"?