Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[Hal Itosis]

Have patience. The Enquirer pics of Jobs have yet to hit.

Yeah sure, but you alleged that the "bubble" was all because iPhones/iPods/iPads were such inadequate devices and/or mere trendy [i.e., temporary] toys in mobile computing. Obviously changes in Steve's health will create fluctuations in AAPL stock. (it's the rest of your reasoning which i find so questionable).

 

[xbjllb]

Yeah sure, but you alleged that the "bubble" was all because iPhones/iPods/iPads were such inadequate devices and/or mere trendy [i.e., temporary] toys in mobile computing. Obviously changes in Steve's health will create fluctuations in AAPL stock. (it's the rest of your reasoning which i find so questionable).

Nothing happens in a vacuum. Apple has more than one set of problems.

 

[charlituna]

What a great solution for watching bd: buy windows-PC next to your mac.

Blu-ray movies are designed for large screens and major sound systems. Which is exactly how I watch mine. Not on some 20 inch computer screen with rinky dinky speakers.

Another solution for authoring bd: avid or adobe for windows-PC.

Many of our clients don't need fancy menus, so Toast works just fine.

For those that do, Encore accepts FCS footage. No need for Avid or Windows.

Finally the third solution: what to do with your mac & fcs: get rid of it?

Here in LA only an idiot turns up his nose at FCS. Major players use FCS. You want to play with them you have to know the tool. So we'll be keeping our Macs for a while.

Can you elaborate this "massive overhead" a bit more?

A ripped blu-ray before any conversion and/or compression is easily 20-30GB or higher. Few to no one is going to wait for a file like that to download given the poor state of broadband particularly in the US. Not to mention how quickly files that large will fill up a hard drive.

Until full blu-ray quality files are down to more like 5GB, such formats won't take off with the masses.

 

[Reddkryten]

Here in LA only an idiot turns up his nose at FCS. Major players use FCS. You want to play with them you have to know the tool. So we'll be keeping our Macs for a while.
.

Funny, last time I checked major players used Avid.

I googled a list of feature films edited on FCP and found approximately 40 films (starting from 2002).

 

[MacNewsFix]

Funny, last time I checked major players used Avid.

I googled a list of feature films edited on FCP and found approximately 40 films (starting from 2002).

Are you referring to the following list from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Cut_Pro#Major_films_edited_with_Final_Cut_Pro?

Major films edited with Final Cut Pro

The Rules of Attraction (2002)[6]
Full Frontal (2002)[6]
The Ring (2002)
Cold Mountain (2003) (Academy Award nominee for Best Editing – Walter Murch)[6]
Intolerable Cruelty (2003)
Open Water (2003)
Napoleon Dynamite (2004)
The Ladykillers (2004)
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (2004)
Super Size Me (2004)
Corpse Bride (2005)
Dreamer: Inspired by a True Story (2005)
Happy Endings (2005)
Jarhead (2005)
Little Manhattan (2005)
Me and You and Everyone We Know (2005)
300 (2007)[6]
Black Snake Moan (2006)
Letters from Iwo Jima (2006)
Happy Feet (2006)
Zodiac (2007)
The Simpsons Movie (2007)
No Country for Old Men (2007) (Academy Award nominee for Best Editing – Roderick Jaynes)
Reign Over Me (2007)
Youth Without Youth (2007)
Balls of Fury (2007)
Enchanted (2007)
Traitor (2008)
Burn After Reading (2008)
The X-Files: I Want to Believe (2008)
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button (2008)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009)
(500) Days of Summer (2009)
Where the Wild Things Are (2009)[6]
A Serious Man (2009)
Bogg to the Future (2009)
Tetro (2009)
Eat, Pray, Love (2010)
The Social Network (2010)
True Grit (2010)
I Am... World Tour (2010)

That's just a sample. The same as with Avid's list in Wikipedia, which I believe is even smaller.

 

[MacNewsFix]

Nothing happens in a vacuum. Apple has more than one set of problems.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...for-nearly-five-years-aided-by-enterprise.ars

http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apple-has-91-of-market-for-1000-PCs-says-NPD/1248313624

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple_1_in_mobile_apps_with_82.7_of_revenue/

If by "problems" you mean laughing all the way to the bank, then yes, Apple does have a lot of problems.

 

[gkarris]

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...for-nearly-five-years-aided-by-enterprise.ars

http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apple-has-91-of-market-for-1000-PCs-says-NPD/1248313624

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple_1_in_mobile_apps_with_82.7_of_revenue/

If by "problems" you mean laughing all the way to the bank, then yes, Apple does have a lot of problems.

Most of Apple's success is in the "Mobile Space" - and is there room for physical media? NO...

(Laughs - remembers days of carrying many cassettes and the "new" Sony Walkman)

IMHO - why would you buy the disc, then have to buy the mobile download? (Remember, no "ripping" of video is allowed.)

Plus, studios and publishers LOVE the DRM (this goes for any electronic media).

So, at this point, as far as where Apple is going with its whole line of computing devices, physical media is considered "old school"....

(Remember when they got rid of the floppy? Optical discs are next - just look at the MacBook Air and the Mini).

 

[MacNewsFix]

Most of Apple's success is in the "Mobile Space" - and is there room for physical media? NO...

(Laughs - remembers days of carrying many cassettes and the "new" Sony Walkman)

IMHO - why would you buy the disc, then have to buy the mobile download? (Remember, no "ripping" of video is allowed.)

Plus, studios and publishers LOVE the DRM (this goes for any electronic media).

So, at this point, as far as where Apple is going with its whole line of computing devices, physical media is considered "old school"....

(Remember when they got rid of the floppy? Optical discs are next - just look at the MacBook Air and the Mini).

+1, with the exception of the remark that Apple is only gaining in the mobile space.

From John Paczkowski's blog on the WSJ's All Things Digital on February 17, 2011:

The Mac has been on a growth tear for a few years now, outperforming the broader PC market in most every sector. Indeed, December 2010 marked the 19th consecutive quarter that it did so. Mac shipments grew 23.5 percent for the month–a near seven-time multiple of the PC market’s growth rate of 3.4 percent.

On the other hand, you may be right. Those MacBook Airs seem pretty popular and they are highly "mobile."

 

[gkarris]

+1, with the exception of the remark that Apple is only gaining in the mobile space.

I meant more popular success - but since everything within their Ecosystem ties together, BR may only find its way into their Media Publishing computers (Mac Pro).

 

[linux2mac]

Blu-ray movies are designed for large screens and major sound systems. Which is exactly how I watch mine. Not on some 20 inch computer screen with rinky dinky speakers.

+1

I would never consider watching movies on my 27" iMac. Why would I when I have a home theater with a screen over 3 times that size. Like you said, movies are meant "for large screens and major sound systems" and not some dorm room theater with a 15" VAIO Laptop and maybe Logitech 5.1 - LOL

 

[janstett]

I remember we had the Star Wars special trilogy on VHS, where they added various effects, like a monster in the pit instead of spikes (ep6?). Our friends had the standard edition (a lot more clever for its time), and I learned a lot of the differences.

Then came more special effects in the DVD release. Possibly even more again. Now the Blu-ray version probably has Shrek edited in or something. South Park is right in saying that Lucas can't leave his films alone. If I were cynical, I'd suggest that he was thinking "How can we make the original trilogy more like Episode 1?".

@linux2mac, nice avatar.

For years they've been saying they will replace the bad puppet Yoda in Episode I with the less bad digital Yoda they used in II and III, as well as inserting the deleted scenes. I'm sure that's coming in the Blu-Ray release.

There are numerous broken things that still remain in the original trilogy (the incorrect Death Star wireframe in the rebel pilot meeting, the X-wings computers showing Vader's tie fighter before it even launches, and numerous spots where the lightsabers are not rotoscoped at all or are the wrong color). Not to mention all the things broken by the various Special Editions (Han shoots first, etc.).

Really, HDMI is not that bad at all once you get acquainted to it. And it's not just about sending video/HD audio to your TV/Receiver and follow the "rules", but it's also convenient for surround mixing, without having the need of buying an external expensive soundcard, for example. But, hey. Guess some fanboys don't even know that in the latest MBP models, Apple has even put a videocard with built-in 192khz/24-bit 6-channel HDMI audio support (Geforce 330M GT)

I'm becoming convinced that a lot of Mac fanboys are hipster apartment-dwellers who don't own a good TV or a receiver, and thus not only do they not know about 192/24 HDMI support, they don't even know what it is. They think AppleTV is the ultimate in home theater and they're happy downloading illegal 720p rips from demonoid.

+1

I would never consider watching movies on my 27" iMac.

Yet you gleefully watch a 3.5" iPhone screen.

Why would I when I have a home theater with a screen over 3 times that size.

Too bad it's not worth it hooking your Macintosh up to that home theater screen, because the Mac can't deal with HDMI, or multichannel audio, or Blu-Ray.

Why would you watch on a 27" screen? Perhaps you're in your office working on something and that 30" Apple Cinema Display would be nice to watch a movie on while you're there. Perhaps your wife is watching Grey's Anatomy on your 65" plasma and your 30" Cinema Display makes a nice 2nd TV in a pinch. Perhaps you're a college student in a dorm, whose Mac is his only source of entertainment and may have DVD movie playback, a TV tuner, streaming video, the whole ball of wax. Why should it have DVD playback but not Blu-Ray? Maybe you're on the road in a hotel room with your 15" laptop and rather than watch a low-res DVD or iCrap download, you'd like the superior quality of a Blu-Ray. Maybe you want to grab a screen shot. Maybe you want to reference a snippet of a movie for reference in something you're writing -- I'm sure a lot of film students use Macs. Are you really this incapable of creative thinking?

Like you said, movies are meant "for large screens and major sound systems" and not some dorm room theater with a 15" VAIO Laptop and maybe Logitech 5.1 - LOL

Too bad your Macintosh isn't meant for large screens and major sound systems, otherwise you could put two great things together. Are you getting the irony yet? I personally LOL that you don't connect your Mac to your projector because it just isn't worth it -- the Mac can't drive it. A $300 game system can do a better job than your $3000 Mac. You claim to be such a huge Mac convert (although your vitriol reveals you are a reactionary zealot) yet there is no place for the Mac in your central media experience. Your oft-mentioned media Valhalla is not driven by Apple. Pretty sad, considering that used to be what the Mac was best at.

Do you delete DVDPlayer.app from your Mac, since movies aren't meant to be watched on a 15" screen? Do you delete iTunes since music isn't meant to be listened to on tiny laptop speakers? I'm sure you did, because you only listen to music on your tube amplifier, I'll bet. After all music is meant to be listened to on a major sound system, right? I'm really enjoying the sheer idiocy of your argument that movies aren't meant to be watched on a Mac, when Apple has been saying the exact opposite for years; that EVERYTHING should be done on a Mac. How does Elgato stay in business?

Blu-ray movies are designed for large screens and major sound systems. Which is exactly how I watch mine. Not on some 20 inch computer screen with rinky dinky speakers.

Too bad nobody thought of hooking a Mac up to a large screen and major sound system, since the Mac is so ill equipped to actually deal with being hooked up to them. You know, since it doesn't deal with HDMI, can't handle multichannel audio, or play a Blu-Ray disc.

Oh wait, look what's in the Mac Mini product photo gallery....

http://images.apple.com/macmini/images/overview_hero7_20100615.png

So it IS meant to be connected to a large screen and major sound system. Just not well. It brings a knife to a gunfight. Apple brings its C- game to home theater. DVD and iCrap downloads in a 1080p lossless multichannel HDMI world.

The irony is you zealots think Apple is pioneering the future; in reality, it's stuck in 2006.

If Macs aren't meant to be hooked to TVs and used to watch videos, why do Macs come with remote controls and how do you explain Front Row?

Oh, looky what we find in the Mac Mini features page:

Mac mini comes to the big screen.

It’s easy to connect Mac mini to the biggest screen in the house — your HDTV — courtesy of a built-in HDMI port. Plug in one HDMI cable and start enjoying content on your Mac mini in brilliant HD. Like movies and TV shows from iTunes, the Internet, and your photo library. There’s also a handy control that lets you easily adjust the output on Mac mini to fill even the biggest HDTV screen. And when you just want to listen to music, you can play your entire iTunes collection through your home entertainment center, or stream it to a set of speakers in any room via an AirPort Express Base Station.2

I love watching Blu-Rays on my 65" THX certified plasma and listening to the glorious multichannel HD lossless audio on my Yamaha receiver. I also love to listen to lossless high resolution mulitchannel audio from Blu-Ray, DVD-Audio, and SACD. And I use a PC to do it. Because a Mac can't.

Such a shame the "inferior" Windows PCs can do better than the once-mighty Mac. But it seems like doing less is the Mac's future.

 

[MacNewsFix]

This debate may be moot.

I meant more popular success - but since everything within their Ecosystem ties together, BR may only find its way into their Media Publishing computers (Mac Pro).

Apple often goes down the road less traveled ("Think Different"), and sometimes the road less traveled can cause some to kvetch. Remember when Apple took away the floppy in the bondi blue iMac? You would have thought it was End of Days by some people's reactions.

If BD catches on to any significance, they may provide it as a build-to-order for their optical drives and as a default when and if DVDs get much closer to being surpassed by BD. Right now, with little more than 17% penetration as of last October (many of which are PS3s purchased mainly for gaming), and the average of typically 20% or less of the top 20 purchased films each week being Blu-Ray, it may be a while.

http://hd.engadget.com/2010/10/03/blu-ray-household-penetration-hits-17-percent/

http://www.blu-raystats.com/MarketShare/index.php

What would help is if the 18 or so companies holding BD-related patents made it easier to license the technology, at least according to Apple. Of course, based on what I've been reading lately, downloads are becoming more and more popular and stealing people's attention away from hopping on the BD wagon. This entire debate may just become moot.

From the Tribune Newspapers:

The most profound shift among consumers has been toward renting movies and away from buying them, which has enormous financial consequences for Hollywood.

Thanks to the proliferation of Redbox kiosks, which offer $1-a-night movie rentals, cost-conscious consumers have an inexpensive alternative to buying the DVD for $19.99 — representing a significant blow in revenue to the studios. Blu-ray high-definition discs were expected to pick up the slack, but consumers have been slow to embrace the more expensive format.

High-speed broadband access, now available to two-thirds of all homes, is also helping to cap the onetime home video gusher.

Services such as Netflix Inc. are able to pump a carousel of movies instantly into the home via the Internet for only $8 a month. The popularity of the company's streaming service has skyrocketed: 66 percent of Netflix's 17 million subscribers use it, eliminating the need to receive DVDs in the mail through Netflix's trademark red envelopes or to run out to the corner video store.......

Meanwhile,

Affluent buyers appear more than willing to shell out hundreds of dollars for sexy new gadgets that alter the way they access entertainment. Apple Inc. sold 7.5 million iPads within the first six months of their introduction. The tablet, which retails for $500 or more and can be used as a portable flat-screen TV, is on track to become the fastest-growing consumer product in history, according to Bernstein Research.

Tablets provide a measure of comfort for media companies because the appeal of these devices hinges on the ability to conveniently check sports scores, read news stories, play games and watch TV shows and movies. Executives see the trend as evidence that it's not consumers' appetite for entertainment that is diminishing, only how they receive it.

But consumers have proved that although they are willing to shell out for gadgets, they view content as cheap filler and are less willing to pay to own it. Because video is seemingly ubiquitous, consumers no longer feel they need to own a DVD or digital downloaded file to watch a movie or TV show.

Some analysts believe that Hollywood, with its history of antipathy toward new technologies, only exacerbated its troubles.

Hulu — owned by News Corp., NBC Universal and Walt Disney Co. — encouraged people to watch TV shows for free online. The service, which was intended to combat piracy, appears to have fueled a shift to online video viewing.

"From 2009 to 2010, we saw a 53 percent increase in online video consumption by broadband users, which is a pretty substantial increase," said Colin Dixon, a senior partner in researcher Diffusion Group.

But there hasn't been a corresponding increase in revenue from online viewing.

Now, media companies are trying to develop business models to take advantage of the popularity of Internet video but also protect their established, and lucrative, businesses.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/51136046-79/consumers-entertainment-video-media.html.csp

 

[MacNewsFix]

So, at this point, as far as where Apple is going with its whole line of computing devices, physical media is considered "old school"....

(Remember when they got rid of the floppy? Optical discs are next - just look at the MacBook Air and the Mini).

And you, and they, may be right.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/02/18/nvidia.ceo.sees.macbook.air.design.as.future/

 

[leroypants]

Yet you gleefully watch a 3.5" iPhone screen.

It gives him a chance to cheer lead for apple. Watching more than one movie on an airplane is stressful on your eyes and hands which can get tired. I was on a flight watching a big guy struggle to hold his iphone so he could see it and was elbowing the person next to him. My wife and I both watched a blu ray (since it was the only version of the film we owned) laptop comfortably on the tray table.

Too bad it's not worth it hooking your Macintosh up to that home theater screen, because the Mac can't deal with HDMI, or multichannel audio, or Blu-Ray.

A friend of mine has an amazing htpc hooked up to his plasma, I will give you one guess as to what OS it uses.

Why would you watch on a 27" screen? Perhaps you're in your office working on something and that 30" Apple Cinema Display would be nice to watch a movie on while you're there. Perhaps your wife is watching Grey's Anatomy on your 65" plasma and your 30" Cinema Display makes a nice 2nd TV in a pinch. Perhaps you're a college student in a dorm, whose Mac is his only source of entertainment and may have DVD movie playback, a TV tuner, streaming video, the whole ball of wax. Why should it have DVD playback but not Blu-Ray? Maybe you're on the road in a hotel room with your 15" laptop and rather than watch a low-res DVD or iCrap download, you'd like the superior quality of a Blu-Ray. Maybe you want to grab a screen shot. Maybe you want to reference a snippet of a movie for reference in something you're writing -- I'm sure a lot of film students use Macs. Are you really this incapable of creative thinking? We know you aren't, you're just a knee-jerk zealot.

That is what is so sad about this entire debate and the apple zealots who blindly follow what steve tells them. Blu ray on mac could have tons of uses from college students, to those traveling, to a family where the kid is watching tv and dad just wants to get away and watch a movie in his office. Arguing that Blu ray quality is wasted on a 15 inch screen would be like arguing in 2000 that dvd resolution is a waste when you can just watch real media files.

I'm really enjoying the sheer idiocy of your argument that movies aren't meant to be watched on a Mac, when Apple has been saying EVERYTHING should be done on a Mac. How does Elgato stay in business?

Steve Jobs tells some people that Blu ray should not be on mac and those people blindly follow basing their opinions and device usage on his views. Its funny to see people cheer about streaming media and itunes movies on a mac but froth at the mouth in rage when people suggest Blu ray should be an option for those who want it.

Such a shame the "inferior" Windows PCs can do it.

Windows can do alot more for alot less at this point.

 

[linux2mac]

Yet you gleefully watch a 3.5" iPhone screen.

I travel a lot by plane for my work. I do not check luggage and prefer to carry on as little as possible. I don't want to be bothered with placing a laptop on my tray to watch a movie. Because I work at a computer 12 - 16 hours a day, I prefer to not have to pull out my laptop while in flight. Just like I never take my cell phone into the gym to work out.

Too bad it's not worth it hooking your Macintosh up to that home theater screen, because the Mac can't deal with HDMI, or multichannel audio, or Blu-Ray.

Why would you watch on a 27" screen? Perhaps you're in your office working on something and that 30" Apple Cinema Display would be nice to watch a movie on while you're there.


Perhaps you're a college student in a dorm, whose Mac is his only source of entertainment and may have DVD movie playback, a TV tuner, streaming video, the whole ball of wax. Why should it have DVD playback but not Blu-Ray?

Maybe you're on the road in a hotel room with your 15" laptop and rather than watch a low-res DVD or iCrap download, you'd like the superior quality of a Blu-Ray.

If I am in a hotel room due to a work assignment, I am sleeping . I work long hours and don't have time for watching movies. I want to complete my assignment as quickly as possible and get back home because as they say "there is no place like home." If I am staying at a hotel for a vacation, I am not wasting my vacation staying inside.

Too bad your Macintosh isn't meant for large screens and major sound systems, otherwise you could put two great things together. Are you getting the irony yet?

Why? I have dedicated BD players to watch BD movies in my theater room. Why do I need to hook up any of my Macs in my theater room?

I personally LOL that you don't connect your Mac to your projector because it just isn't worth it -- the Mac can't drive it. A $300 game system can do a better job than your $3000 Mac.

Again why? I could hook up my Mac Mini to the projector via HDMI, but why? Why the need for me to hook up any of my Macs in my home theater?

Too bad nobody thought of hooking a Mac up to a large screen and major sound system, since the Mac is so ill equipped to actually deal with being hooked up to them. You know, since it doesn't deal with HDMI, can't handle multichannel audio, or play a Blu-Ray disc.

Oh wait....

http://images.apple.com/macmini/images/overview_hero7_20100615.png

Such a shame the "inferior" Windows PCs can do it.

BD is not worth going back to Windows PC's. I have had Gateway/Dell/Compaq/HP/IBM/VAIO laptops and desktops and they were all pure garbage. My MBP, iMac, and Mini have been the best working computers I have ever owned. Plus all of my personal Macs are C2D chips and have been flawless. (I do have one i7 iMac for an employee that requires the faster processor as they perform "creative" work. Hey earth to BD folks, have you heard that Apple is still for creative professionals even though it lacks BD support? LOL) I laugh when the Windows fans try to put down Apple for still using C2D. I went to Dell's site and guess what? Dell is still selling C2D too. DOH!!

http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/vostro-230/pd

P.S. - As I was composing this response, I was having a conversation with someone on the phone that sent me a video link and the video froze during playback on their machine while they could still hear the video playing on my iMac. So I asked them what the issue was over there, and they said "Windows!" I laughed so hard.

 

[leroypants]

I travel a lot by plane for my work. I do not check luggage and prefer to carry on as little as possible. I don't want to be bothered with placing a laptop on my tray to watch a movie. Because I work at a computer 12 - 16 hours a day, I prefer to not have to pull out my laptop while in flight. Just like I never take my cell phone into the gym to work out.

Wow nice to know Steve is punishing everyone who wants Blu ray on a mac because you don't see the need for it. I see plenty of laptops when i fly, and i see people struggling to hold and view the tiny iphone screen while i sit back comfortably.

If I am in a hotel room due to a work assignment, I am sleeping . I work long hours and don't have time for watching movies. I want to complete my assignment as quickly as possible and get back home because as they say "there is no place like home." If I am staying at a hotel for a vacation, I am not wasting my vacation staying inside.

Wow nice to know Steve is punishing those with free time in hotel rooms while traveling on buisness who want Blu ray on a mac because you don't need it. Funny how you ignore all the other possible uses for Blu ray on a mac.

Why? I have dedicated BD players to watch BD movies in my theater room. Why do I need to hook up any of my Macs in my theater room?

Again why? I could hook up my Mac Mini to the projector via HDMI, but why? Why the need for me to hook up any of my Macs in my home theater?

Many consumer grade camera both still and video can shoot hd footage, wouldn't it be nice to be able to view that footage or photos from, say a htpc? I am not sure if Steve opinion of that so i don't know what your opinions is.

BD is not worth going back to Windows PC's. I have had Gateway/Dell/Compaq/HP/IBM/VAIO laptops and desktops and they were all pure garbage. My MBP, iMac, and Mini have been the best working computers I have ever owned. Plus all of my personal Macs are C2D chips and have been flawless. (I do have one i7 iMac for an employee that requires the faster processor as they perform "creative" work. Hey earth to BD folks, have you heard that Apple is still for creative professionals even though it lacks BD support? LOL) I laugh when the Windows fans try to put down Apple for still using C2D. I went to Dell's site and guess what? Dell is still selling C2D too. DOH!!

Same old windows bashing, nothing new here. I guess i am the only one who finds it ironic when visiting mac rumors i see banners for gateway and dell computers.

P.S. - As I was composing this response, I was having a conversation with someone on the phone that sent me a video link and the video froze during playback on their machine while they could still hear the video playing on my iMac. So I asked them what the issue was over there, and they said "Windows!" I laughed so hard.

If that actually happened I am amazed that you were able to determine what the problem was from a remote location. I am amazed that you were able to determine that the internet connection was working perfectly, and that the only problem was windows. Second I am confused as you have stated that you would laugh out of your office and not even speak to anyone who uses windows. It would obviously have to be business related because i can not imagine a "friend" being so so smug and laughing at me for using windows.

 

[linux2mac]

Same old windows bashing, nothing new here.

Nope, Windows bashes itself with its "third-rate products"

If that actually happened I am amazed that you were able to determine what the problem was from a remote location.

You get amazed easily.

I am amazed that you were able to determine that the internet connection was working perfectly, and that the only problem was windows.

Umm, they said it not me.

Second I am confused as you have stated that you would laugh out of your office and not even speak to anyone who uses windows. It would obviously have to be business related because i can not imagine a "friend" being so so smug and laughing at me for using windows.

Guess what happens when you assume? LOL

They also own a Mac pro at home and hate using Windows at their job.

Tell me again why a Windows fan spends so much time on a Mac forum? It's very funny actually. As much as I hate Windows, I would never join a Windows specific forum to tell all the Windows users how bad Windows really is.

 

[Hal Itosis]

I'm becoming convinced that a lot of Mac fanboys are hipster apartment-dwellers who don't own a good TV or a receiver, and thus not only do they not know about 192/24 HDMI support, they don't even know what it is. They think AppleTV is the ultimate in home theater and they're happy downloading illegal 720p rips from demonoid.

Some, maybe. And many (most perhaps?) might simply own a bd player. I.e., plus a huge screen and minus the need to lug the laptop into the living room.

Yet you gleefully watch a 3.5" iPhone screen.

When necessary, yes. (iPhones can't play discs anyway, so um... wth?)

Too bad it's not worth it hooking your Macintosh up to that home theater screen, because the Mac can't deal with HDMI, or multichannel audio, or Blu-Ray.

--

Too bad your Macintosh isn't meant for large screens and major sound systems, otherwise you could put two great things together. Are you getting the irony yet? I personally LOL that you don't connect your Mac to your projector because it just isn't worth it -- the Mac can't drive it. A $300 game system can do a better job than your $3000 Mac.

--

Too bad nobody thought of hooking a Mac up to a large screen and major sound system, since the Mac is so ill equipped to actually deal with being hooked up to them. You know, since it doesn't deal with HDMI, can't handle multichannel audio, or play a Blu-Ray disc.

For some perhaps it's too bad... yes. However, that dramatized "necessity" of hooking up Macs to large screens and major sound systems is becoming an increasingly niche activity in userland (vis-à-vis the advent of AirPlay). Yet you suggest that iMacs and Mac Pros should be lugged into the living room as well? What for? There are plenty of cheap bd players that can be relegated to that tedious disc-reading task on a permanent basis.

Why would you watch on a 27" screen? Perhaps you're in your office working on something and that 30" Apple Cinema Display would be nice to watch a movie on while you're there. Perhaps your wife is watching Grey's Anatomy on your 65" plasma and your 30" Cinema Display makes a nice 2nd TV in a pinch. Perhaps you're a college student in a dorm, whose Mac is his only source of entertainment and may have DVD movie playback, a TV tuner, streaming video, the whole ball of wax. Why should it have DVD playback but not Blu-Ray? Maybe you're on the road in a hotel room with your 15" laptop and rather than watch a low-res DVD or iCrap download, you'd like the superior quality of a Blu-Ray. Maybe you want to grab a screen shot. Maybe you want to reference a snippet of a movie for reference in something you're writing -- I'm sure a lot of film students use Macs. Are you really this incapable of creative thinking? We know you aren't, you're just a knee-jerk zealot.

No... those are certainly very plausible scenarios, which will probably matter to some. Unfortunately (for the bd pundits), those collective examples can all be individually squeezed into various sorts of "select" groups which aren't quite as significant as they might like to be.

So we will inevitably relapse into the "well, why can't it be one of the BTO options?" discussion (ad nauseam). Which is fine. I think there were less than 3 people who ever said it shouldn't be an option... yet we have over 5000 posts now? What's actually perpetuating this thread is the notion that those who insist on bd are somehow superior to everyone else (even worthier than fence-sitters or those who couldn't give two hoots either way). I.e., everyone else is thusly dismissed as dumb fanboys... except the bd extremists, who are touted as more knowledgable and important. And that's where the "fail" comes in. What you seem unwilling to accept is that: those scenarios don't really matter quite as much (to most users) as you'd like them to. [watching bd movies on your Mac at work? Oh yeah... everybody needs to do that. Alllrighty then.]

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The biggest burden your group must bear perhaps is: to accept that yours is a dying breed... and, that there actually exists all sorts of users (of both "power" and regular persuasions) who merely don't require bd capability [in their computer] in the least. And the vast majority of them probably aren't even interested enough to chime in here (being more concerned with other creative endeavors). And even those who may be lurking about, upon seeing some of the polarizing language flaunted here might be driven away in disgust (yours truly being one exception).]

All attempts to turn this topic into an argument that anyone can "win" will automatically fail, especially when adorned with "fanboy" nomenclature. Those who don't need bd [in their computer] don't need to "win" anything... and those who need bd [in their computer] would theoretically need to win the support of (almost) every single Mac-user in the world. I.e., in order to achieve an actual win, by implementing some sort of boycott or petition or whatever. Yep... good luck with that.


Plan B seems to be: wait it out, and Apple will either cave to demand(?) or crumble in ruin. Meanwhile this thread remains a vehicle to vent frustration and call folks names. Some accomplishment.

 

[AidenShaw]

Very simple explanation

I would never consider watching movies on my 27" iMac.

Why would I when I have a home theater with a screen over 3 times that size.

Of course, if you're home with your Imac - you're also home with your home theatre and its Weaver Quartz super screen.

Try to think outside of your own little box, though. There are many reasons why one might want BD playback on their laptop or desktop.

1. Traveling - you can't set up your projector and Weaver Quartz screen on the plane or in your hotel. You shouldn't need to buy a DVD to watch if you already have the BD, nor should you have to suffer through horribly compressed legal downloads.
2. Dorm/Studio Apartment - not everyone has the space or money for a dedicated home theatre room with a projector and a Quartz screen. You may have a little extra money to buy "future-proofed" HD media, though.
3. Child - maybe your children would want to watch a BD movie, but you are using the super Quartz home theatre projector to watch something else. Give them the BD and let them watch it on the computer in the den or in their bedroom.
4. Professionals who want to burn BDs on the road, and who don't want to want to carry an external drive and have to boot into Windows on their BD-capable Apple just to check out a disc.
5. ...dozens of other justifications already discussed in this thread.

We all know that BD playback on your Apples doesn't matter for you - just try to think about what other people may want or need.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Here in LA only an idiot turns up his nose at FCS. Major players use FCS. You want to play with them you have to know the tool. So we'll be keeping our Macs for a while.

Major players do use FCS. More major players use Avid though which is why it's still noteworthy when a high profile project is done w/FCS.

Of course, based on what I've been reading lately, downloads are becoming more and more popular and stealing people's attention away from hopping on the BD wagon. This entire debate may just become moot.

Downloads are becoming more and more popular. But 'old media' is still more popular. CDs, which have seen sales dropping year-over-year for a while now still out sell legal music downloads (Link). Legal download sales growth is starting to stall though (Link) and I think online video is going to follow a similar trajectory which to me indicates a future where multiple formats are prevalent instead of a single format taking over the whole marketplace. You want a low-rez mobile version? Boom, here it is. You want a 'good enough' quality streaming version? Boom, here it is. You want 'best money can buy' version? Boom, here it is. The only days that are 'over', IMO, are the days of consumers having no other choice but to conform their media consumption habits to the whims of media distributors.

+1

I would never consider watching movies on my 27" iMac. Why would I when I have a home theater with a screen over 3 times that size. Like you said, movies are meant "for large screens and major sound systems" and not some dorm room theater with a 15" VAIO Laptop and maybe Logitech 5.1 - LOL

Take a few steps back from that tree and you'll be able to see the whole forest.


Lethal

 

[leroypants]

Tell me again why a Windows fan spends so much time on a Mac forum? It's very funny actually. As much as I hate Windows, I would never join a Windows specific forum to tell all the Windows users how bad Windows really is.

No need to join a second forum when every one of your post contains some form of windows bashing. I have and love my ipod and Iphone 3gs (jailbroken), I learned to edit on final cut and i like it, however when the industry moved into hi def a few years ago our clients needed Blu rays. Steve Jobs forced us to move to window because of his sad pathetic butt hurt. I have saved thousands using windows instead of apple products. Unfortunately apple now caters to fanboys and itoys more while giving only giving a passing though to professional content creators.

Some of the zealots are violent frothing at the mouth rage against even the option of Blu ray in a mac because they won't use it. Even if they wouldn't use it their is not a single reason they should be so angry about the option. A Blu ray would only make apple a stronger brand, however Steve doesn't want it so the drones don't want it. I guarantee that if or when blu ray support comes to a mac the same people who frothed at the mouth in rage against apple supporting it will switch opinions and scream how apple is wonderful for supporting blu ray.

 

[wonderspark]

It's certainly true that there is no way to "win" in this debate. Everyone loses, because the decisions made by Apple leave no choice but to work around the problem.

Those concerned about the environment, or their personal economies or simply having less junk in their spaces all lose. One MUST buy another TV, another player, another computer and/or operating system to make it work. Apple loses that tiny little bit of revenue to all the other companies that provide the necessary systems, but we agree that they don't care. They follow the money, and nothing takes precedence over that money train. Anyone that wants one device to do it all has to choose something besides Apple to watch a Blu-ray, period.

Anyone that thinks you can or should be able to use a Mac for everything is both wrong and the loser here, until Apple allows Mac fans to win again.

 

[linux2mac]

Anyone that thinks you can or should be able to use a Mac for everything is both wrong and the loser here, until Apple allows Mac fans to win again.

Absolutely.

I use my Macs strictly for work. I have other devices to satisfy my Blu-ray needs. Again, I was never against BD or against the option for BD in Macs. Its been a non issue for me as well as tons of other people (i.e. notice how the Verizon thread surpassed BD thread in only 4 days). So if that makes me a sheep, then - "BAAAAA!"

 

[wonderspark]

Absolutely.

I use my Macs strictly for work. I have other devices to satisfy my Blu-ray needs. Again, I was never against BD or against the option for BD in Macs. Its been a non issue for me as well as tons of other people (i.e. notice how the Verizon thread surpassed BD thread in only 4 days). So if that makes me a sheep, then - "BAAAAA!"

Just like you, I bought my Mac strictly for work, specifically to edit a feature film. Now that it's complete, I can move on. The point is, it's a shame I had to use the Mac, a PC and a Blu-ray player to finish this job, when a single PC would have been cheaper, faster and more efficient across the board. I've learned a lot this past 15 months, and one of those lessons has been that in many ways, Apple is the dark side, not PC. I hope it changes back to the way it was. The reason I switched to a Mac was for all the good stories I heard. As it turns out, a lot of it was just that... Fairytale stories told by people who act like The Ugly Americans of computers.

I want to believe this Mac is the best system ever, but I'd be lying to myself. Today, PC wins. Maybe someday Mac will reclaim the lead like it used to be. I'd like that.

 

[wonderspark]

In response to the dying breed comment, I must respectfully disagree. Filmmakers creating content for people today, using today's technology, are a growing breed. People need stuff today, so they can consume it today.

In order for you to be correct, there would have to be less filmmakers making less Blu-ray content than previously. Obviously, that is incorrect.