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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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linux2mac said:
How in the world am I a troll on a Mac forum continually defending myself against Windows fans attacking me for converting to Mac?
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All I'm saying is soundbites like "<random, bold unrelated to BD windows sucks comment> LOL" come across a bit trollish.

This is unrelated to the rest of your post, which I completely agree with - I've recently built and setup a Win7 box for someone and I'm astonished at how it still fails at the basics, eg. the control panel is still a clunky mess, where yet again "classic view" is the lesser of two evils. I could go on...

Your avatar and sig are completely appropriate for a Mac forum.
 
linux2mac said:
How in the world am I a troll on a Mac forum continually defending myself against Windows fans attacking me for converting to Mac? :confused:
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Let's be honest: we both contributed our fair share of needlessly argumentative posts. Apologies if I took things too far.
 
iEdd said:
All I'm saying is soundbites like "<random, bold unrelated to BD windows sucks comment> LOL" come across a bit trollish.
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I see your point. Thanks.

iEdd said:
This is unrelated to the rest of your post, which I completely agree with - I've recently built and setup a Win7 box for someone and I'm astonished at how it still fails at the basics, eg. the control panel is still a clunky mess, where yet again "classic view" is the lesser of two evils. I could go on...

Your avatar and sig are completely appropriate for a Mac forum.
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Now you understand how it boggles my mind that because Macs lack BD, people will blindly assert that Windows are better machines.

PeterQVenkman said:
Let's be honest: we both contributed our fair share of needlessly argumentative posts. Apologies if I took things too far.
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Life is too short to hold grudges. Thanks.
 
linux2mac said:
I see your point. Thanks.



Now you understand how it boggles my mind that because Macs lack BD, people will blindly assert that Windows are better machines.



Life is too short to hold grudges. Thanks.
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So my friends, that work in the publicity industry, and that also were fellow Mac-users for years, are idiots because they recently switched back to Windows for having full-accessibility to the company's own software?? Or, are those folks @ DTS Inc. (the company that's behind DTS-HD Master Audio) idiots because they use Windows-based machines for surround sound processing and monitoring?? I once went to see one of their audio technicians working on some surround stuff, and it didn't ran a Mac for the process.
So, even though OSX can be a solid OS for some people, it's just not meant for certain businesses/enterprises that require "special" internal softwares or other Windows-based technologies. And your statement "because Macs lack BD, people will blindly assert that Windows are better machines", has nothing to do with the fact that most people/businesses will always choose Windows to get their work done. And not everyone that buys a Windows machine wants Blu-Ray at all costs. Certain people simply can't afford a Mac (i'm talking about the TOP "Pro" ones, which are the only DECENT models), and their budget obviously lends them to get what you call "a garbage" machine, which may also include a Blu-Ray drive.
Blu-ray is the industry standard, same as HDMI, VGA, DVI etc... That's why manufacturers include them.
The problem of Apple, is that they never brought technologies from the industry, but they always invented something to "limit" the user (Thunderbolt? Mini-DP? I don't see many devices with these technologies). Thus, if you want to hook your Full-HD monitor you have to shell out another $50, if you wanna go HDMI. And for some people this is just nauseaus. Because they expect to have EVERYTHING at their own disposal, specially when they make an expensive investment of $2500 or something.
Different things leads people to choose a Windows machine over a Mac.....enough said ;)
 
johnnyturbouk said:
- I have dual ssd/hdd and placed my superdrive in a USB enclosure - i agree, i rarely need to use my dvd except to install osx/ and imaybe the odd thing or two in win 7 (bootcamp)

-i think apple should drop the optical drive and have x2 sata 3 hdd options inside the MBP
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Apple is all about removing choices (see their desire to nix firewire). If they get rid of the optical drive, they will use the space to make the computer sleeker, not to offer new expansion options.

For the same reason Apple does not support a docking architecture, they do not support a modular drive bay. So the idea of easily swapping in and out an optical drive, a 2nd hard drive, or a 2nd battery, like Thinkpads, is not going to happen. Heck they won't even let you access the battery on some Macbooks.

linux2mac said:
I don't have to when even a Microsoft executive bashes Windows. What makes this so hysterical is that I have seen several posts by Windows fans pointing out how inferior Macs are because they lack BD support, and now a MS executive admits to the higher quality of Macs over Windows PC's. You heard it straight outta Redmond. ROFLMAO.

Microsoft's Rahul Sood says every PC industry exec should use a MacBook
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/01/microsofts-rahul-sood-says-every-pc-industry-exec-should-use-a/
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And that is countered by the large underground of people running Hackintoshes -- OSX on superior, cheaper, faster, more powerful PC hardware.

mpaul said:
Or, are those folks @ DTS Inc. (the company that's behind DTS-HD Master Audio) idiots because they use Windows-based machines for surround sound processing and monitoring?? I once went to see one of their audio technicians working on some surround stuff, and it didn't ran a Mac for the process.
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Exactly my point about Macs becoming irrelevant in the high end content creation and consumption areas. Places where they once ruled supreme.

But why would the people at DTS use Macs to create DTS-HD Master Audio when they can't even play it back? Only the latest mini even has HDMI and multichannel audio support and no built-in DTS HD-MA decoding. I'm sensing a theme here...
 
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janstett said:
Apple is all about removing choices (see their desire to nix firewire). If they get rid of the optical drive, they will use the space to make the computer sleeker, not to offer new expansion options.

For the same reason Apple does not support a docking architecture, they do not support a modular drive bay. So the idea of easily swapping in and out an optical drive, a 2nd hard drive, or a 2nd battery, like Thinkpads, is not going to happen. Heck they won't even let you access the battery on some Macbooks.



And that is countered by the large underground of people running Hackintoshes -- OSX on superior, cheaper, faster, more powerful PC hardware.



Exactly my point about Macs becoming irrelevant in the high end content creation and consumption areas. Places where they once ruled supreme.

But why would the people at DTS use Macs to create DTS-HD Master Audio when they can't even play it back? Only the latest mini even has HDMI and multichannel audio support and no built-in DTS HD-MA decoding. I'm sensing a theme here...
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Actually, there's a plugin for Quicktime (Surcode for DTS-HD) that allows you to playback DTS-HD files, but it's not the same thing as letting the receiver do the decoding.
Things such as DRC, room correction and program metadata are simply ignored by the plugin. I once tried the plugin by myself with a "ripped" DTS-HD 5.1 soundtrack and both the Center and .LFE channel sounded weak, and i actually had to turn up the volume a bit. Whether when i did let the receiver do the decoding, it was a different story: bass was punchy, and dialog more crisp. Simply as intended by the studio ;)
But, anyway. Mine were just a few points of where the Mac platform is obsolete, compared to Windows.
 
linux2mac said:
Forget blu-ray, say good-bye to the movie theater. I have been looking forward to the day when I would be able to watch Hollywood features still playing at theaters in the comfort of my home theater. No more dealing with sticky floors, noisy kids, uncomfortable seats, etc.


Movie Studios Approve $30 Rental Plan, Theater Owners Mightily Upset
http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/31/movie-studios-approve-30-rental-plan-theater-owners-mightily-upset/
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Great, too bad it is a 1) DirecTV 2) Video-On-Demand feature. Where if you don't have DTV you won't get it (this guy here) and if you aren't using the cable companies box (this guy here) you won't get it.

Maybe when Apple gets this feature it will be useful (assuming that the quality will actually rival the theater experience). Of course if they are using the theater transfers and just piping them through the cable (or in this case the sat signal) that may not be possible for Apple to accommodate (for all users).
 
30 bucks for a rental ? for that much money i can watch it in the theathers, get the blu ray cheap later down the line and still have enough money to buy a book and rent a further 5 movies physically

that just shows how clueless they really are
 
takao said:
30 bucks for a rental ? for that much money i can watch it in the theathers, get the blu ray cheap later down the line and still have enough money to buy a book and rent a further 5 movies physically

that just shows how clueless they really are
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Well you know it was priced that high to try to placate the Theaters. Even though they are still miffed... Just think it is one provider doing this and it isn't over IP (aka the internet).

This is the future?
 
linux2mac said:
Forget blu-ray, say good-bye to the movie theater. I have been looking forward to the day when I would be able to watch Hollywood features still playing at theaters in the comfort of my home theater. No more dealing with sticky floors, noisy kids, uncomfortable seats, etc.


Movie Studios Approve $30 Rental Plan, Theater Owners Mightily Upset
http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/31/movie-studios-approve-30-rental-plan-theater-owners-mightily-upset/
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I rather go watch the movie in theater in tuesday (half price from where i come from), then buy the blu-ray disc after.

I think that is just slightly higher than 30 bucks.

But I guess if you invite more friends, then it will become less expensive
 
linux2mac said:
Forget blu-ray, say good-bye to the movie theater. I have been looking forward to the day when I would be able to watch Hollywood features still playing at theaters in the comfort of my home theater. No more dealing with sticky floors, noisy kids, uncomfortable seats, etc.


Movie Studios Approve $30 Rental Plan, Theater Owners Mightily Upset
http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/31/movie-studios-approve-30-rental-plan-theater-owners-mightily-upset/
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Clearly people would love to wait 60 days after a movie opens and pay $30 instead of waiting 90-120 days and paying $4 or not waiting at all and paying $10. :rolleyes:

First, this news is nothing new in the industry, as they've been talking about alternatives to drive sales such as selling the movie on disc at the theater after you've seen it on film. The secret many people don't know is that there is a series of "windows" regarding a film. I may have the order wrong, but it goes something like theatrical -> premium pay services (HBO, Starz, SHO, etc.), home video, rental, free TV.

Secondly, and I'm just speaking generically here, but if the studio system continues to break down we will only be subjected to more mainstream garbage and Michael Bay will become the poster boy of cinema. This is regardless of delivery medium when it gets to home, physical disc or streaming.
 
mpaul said:
So my friends, that work in the publicity industry, and that also were fellow Mac-users for years, are idiots because they recently switched back to Windows for having full-accessibility to the company's own software?? Or, are those folks @ DTS Inc. (the company that's behind DTS-HD Master Audio) idiots because they use Windows-based machines for surround sound processing and monitoring??
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Not at all. But these are professionals working in a very specific industry on very specific projects. What they need is not indicative of what Joe Q needs. Sales of Mac computers that lack BD support of any kind (even just playback) and rising sales at that, give credence to the claim that Joe Q doesn't care about the lack. They want Macs and are happy with what is provided.

Equally there are some professionals (myself included) that work on Macs with 3rd party external burners and 3rd party software that are fine with that. I have zero issue with walking across my office (perhaps 20 feet) to a 60 inch tv that has a stand alone player. That fits my needs. It doesn't fit your friends needs. they feel they need a system where they can do everything at one desk. Fine. True professionals focus on the output not the tools, outside of the rare occasion that the person writing the check wants it done a certain way. If that way doesn't fit your style then you have to decide if the job is worth changing your style or saying you won't and risking that, instead of saying the style doesn't matter after all, they give the job to someone else.


linux2mac said:
Forget blu-ray, say good-bye to the movie theater. I have been looking forward to the day when I would be able to watch Hollywood features still playing at theaters in the comfort of my home theater. No more dealing with sticky floors, noisy kids, uncomfortable seats, etc.
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I agree somewhat. I think some movies need the bigger screens and bigger sound systems and until we all live in giant mansions we can't match that. I'm talking about stuff like the Harry Potter films, Star Wars etc.

But that's what 5% of the movies made, perhaps 10% every 3rd year or so. The rest are fine on our 50-60 inch TV. So in that way yes I look forward to the day that I can download a Blu-ray quality or better file, even just as a 'rental' for $20-30 dollars to watch with my gang of friends while enjoying a nice home cooked meal and no kids, tweeting etc to distract us. The cost would actually be the same as tickets, drinks, dinner out.
 
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diamond.g said:
Maybe when Apple gets this feature it will be useful
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Apple already has it. Limited titles and at the moment still 720p but when there's a viable 1080p download format that could change.

There's even talk of Apple renting titles from folks that screened at places like Sundance but weren't picked up at the time. That way they have rental numbers to show the distributors that it is worth picking up the title. Or simply bypassing that rat race all together.

janstett said:
The secret many people don't know is that there is a series of "windows" regarding a film. I may have the order wrong, but it goes something like theatrical -> premium pay services (HBO, Starz, SHO, etc.), home video, rental, free TV.
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You have the basic jist but the windows aren't as cut and dry. Some are skipped, some are played out of order. for example, ABC Family has for the last 2-3 years had the holiday rights to all the Harry Potter films. During Nov-Dec everyone else is hands off. No itunes sales/rentals, no Starz play and so on. then come January it's open season again.

Secondly, and I'm just speaking generically here, but if the studio system continues to break down we will only be subjected to more mainstream garbage and Michael Bay will become the poster boy of cinema.
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More like the other way around. As the studio system declines, more indie production happens. Indie shops can't afford to create "michael bay" crap so they focus on smaller, more plot and character focused stuff.

But I have to say that as a filmmaker I"m probably a little more open minded than some, even most. I view films based on the goals each one is trying to fulfill. I get that not all films want to win an Oscar and thus aren't trying. They are about pure entertainment and making money. And if Transformers 12 is putting butts in seats and making big bucks at the box office so the studio has more profit to invest in their indie wings (thus giving me money for my little character comedy or whatever) I see no shame in that. Same as cheap to produce reality tv being a necessary evil for networks to have the green to allow scripted shows to keep increasing viewership until they reach their make good (believe me when I tell you that if it wasn't for reality tv a lot of those shows canned in 5 eps would have been canned in 1-2)
 
takao said:
30 bucks for a rental ? for that much money i can watch it in the theathers, get the blu ray cheap later down the line and still have enough money to buy a book and rent a further 5 movies physically

that just shows how clueless they really are
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Yeah but you can't take your family of 5 to the movie for $30.


By the way anyone who is buying Blue-Ray discs is just wasting their money....


I don't own blue-ray so nobody should...
 
marksman said:
Yeah but you can't take your family of 5 to the movie for $30.


By the way anyone who is buying Blue-Ray discs is just wasting their money....


I don't own blue-ray so nobody should...
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if you own those cinema movie club cards or go to the cinema from monday to wednesday you can (around here)
last time we spent 5.50 euro per person.. and those extra 50 euro cent jsut because it was longer than usual
we paid 27,50 with 5 grown ups

that's one of the reasons why downlaodable content is actually really bad price wise: they usually do 1 to 1 conversions from dollar prices to the euro
 
linux2mac said:
Forget blu-ray, say good-bye to the movie theater. I have been looking forward to the day when I would be able to watch Hollywood features still playing at theaters in the comfort of my home theater. No more dealing with sticky floors, noisy kids, uncomfortable seats, etc.
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Why is this such an issue? Just show patience and wait if you prefer a better experience. I'm watching something not brand new in HD right now on my 90" with no sticky floor.
 
JAT said:
Why is this such an issue? Just show patience and wait if you prefer a better experience. I'm watching something not brand new in HD right now on my 90" with no sticky floor.
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Its not really an issue. Given the choice to watch a new Hollywood feature at the theater or my home theater I would choose the latter.

I see you also appreciate movie viewing on a 90" screen. Watch out or the home theater experts here ( you know, the ones that think watching BD on a 15" laptop is a theater experience) will be quick to remind you of the inferior quality projection offers. Apparently they have never seen an image from a HD projector on a quality screen.
 
Was at the MS Store over the weekend...

The new Samsung Lite Notebook (their MacBook Air "copy" ;) ) and a lot of the new smaller laptops from Lenovo, HP, and Acer (up to 13") no longer have optical drives.... :eek:

Looks like some companies are slowly fading out the optical drive as well... :p
 
linux2mac said:
I see you also appreciate movie viewing on a 90" screen. Watch out or the home theater experts here ( you know, the ones that think watching BD on a 15" laptop is a theater experience) will be quick to remind you of the inferior quality projection offers. Apparently they have never seen an image from a HD projector on a quality screen.
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believe it or not but that 15 inch laptop with blu ray drive might have a hdmi output which can be connected to HD projector setup just fine

oh i forgot ... this is apple we are talking about ... so no hdmi on laptops

just because you can and want to afford a complete home theather doesn't mean others shouldn't be able to have their "personal media hub" to use apple marketing speech
 
gkarris said:
Was at the MS Store over the weekend...

The new Samsung Lite Notebook (their MacBook Air "copy" ;) ) and a lot of the new smaller laptops from Lenovo, HP, and Acer (up to 13") no longer have optical drives.... :eek:

Looks like some companies are slowly fading out the optical drive as well... :p
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Not surprised. The motto of Apple's competitors is "if you can't beat them, copy them." LOL
 
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