Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[mpaul]

I am laughing so hard right now at all the Apple haters and "industry plants" after seeing another record quarter by Apple. 3.76 million Macs without BD were sold!

The reality is people prefer quality machines like Macs (and are willing to pay extra or the so called "Apple tax" for it) over all the garbage HP, Dell's, and VAIO's running ever so buggy Windows with their BD players built in. LOL!!

If they're quality machines, then why some Mac users, when a person kindly ask if he can run Windows on his Mac with Bootcamp (not my case), they always answer "Get a freakin' PC. It has more powerful features/hardware!"??
Isn't Bootcamp an OSX feature?? And isn't Apple supporting Windows/Microsoft by giving out drivers for it to work??
And what's the deal with the yellow tint on high-end iMacs/iPad 2 displays, and Macbook Pro's overheat issues, that i continue to read on different forums?? Oh, i forgot. There's AppleCare and Genius ***** that will make you bring your Mac 2-3 times in a month for replacing the screen or CPU with another sh***y motherboard/display, and then they will finally tell you "It's how is made, sorry!". Like someone has nothing better to do in its life than bring his Mac in and out different Apple stores

When Apple will bring in fashionists like Armani, Gucci or Dolce & Gabbana to design/produce the Macs, we can talk about some serious quality ******.

 

[nec207]

And what's the deal with the yellow tint on high-end iMacs/iPad 2 displays, and

What ? you got link to back up you claim a problem with the display?

Macbook Pro's overheat issues, that i continue to read on different forums?? Oh, i forgot. There's AppleCare and Genius ***** that will make you bring your Mac 2-3 times in a month for replacing the screen or CPU with another sh***y motherboard/display, and then they will finally tell you "It's how is made, sorry!". Like someone has nothing better to do in its life than bring his Mac in and out different Apple stores

There have been a boat laod of problems with the Macbook Pro's this year not last year Macbook Pro's .

When Apple will bring in fashionists like Armani, Gucci or Dolce & Gabbana to design/produce the Macs, we can talk about some serious quality ******.

What ? are you saying OS X GUI is too fashionists like in look and feel?

 

[linux2mac]

If they're quality machines, then why some Mac users, when a person kindly ask if he can run Windows on his Mac with Bootcamp (not my case), they always answer "Get a freakin' PC. It has more powerful features/hardware!"??
Isn't Bootcamp an OSX feature?? And isn't Apple supporting Windows/Microsoft by giving out drivers for it to work??
And what's the deal with the yellow tint on high-end iMacs/iPad 2 displays, and Macbook Pro's overheat issues, that i continue to read on different forums?? Oh, i forgot. There's AppleCare and Genius ***** that will make you bring your Mac 2-3 times in a month for replacing the screen or CPU with another sh***y motherboard/display, and then they will finally tell you "It's how is made, sorry!". Like someone has nothing better to do in its life than bring his Mac in and out different Apple stores
Yeah, quality. You must be either dumb or full of it not to recognize that even your dearest "rotten" Apple has cut off quality control prices and repair prices, much like any other hardware manufacturer out there.
When Apple will bring in fashionists like Armani, Gucci or Dolce & Gabbana to design/produce the Macs, we can talk about some serious quality ******.

Please refer to post #5416
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/956807/

Let's see here, hmmm, 3.76 million Macs sold last quarter (many over the $1,000 price point) = quality control issues.

Oh I get it, your trying to be "ha ha" funny. LOL

 

[mpaul]

What ? you got link to back up you claim a problem with the display?





There have been a boat laod of problems with the Macbook Pro's this year not last year Macbook Pro's .


What ? are you saying OS X GUI is too fashionists like in look and feel?

Even last year MBP's have problems:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2420192?threadID=2420192&tstart=1

Look how many posts are over there.
And, no. I wasn't referring to the OSX GUI, but i was trying to be sarcastic, after i read @linux2mac "chocolate-flavored" comment and read this article:

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/25/ifixit-tears-down-the-new-15-inch-macbook-pro-2011-model/

Heck. Even a cheap "crappy" Acer that's assembled in Taiwan, or a Sony assembled in China is far more well assembled than a MBP

Please refer to post #5416
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/956807/

Let's see here, hmmm, 3.76 million Macs sold last quarter (many over the $1,000 price point) = quality control issues.

Oh I get it, your trying to be "ha ha" funny. LOL

Open up your Mac and see if it has no "loosy" screws floating inside that "nice" aluminium case:

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/25/ifixit-tears-down-the-new-15-inch-macbook-pro-2011-model/

And hey, don't forget that mother Apple look after you and your secrets:

http://macdailynews.com/2011/04/21/...-from-apples-steve-jobs-over-iphone-tracking/

 

[maclaptop]

It seems that some people cannot let go.

This old thread keeps going and going.

 

[Jazwire]

I say give us Blu-Ray or just remove the damn optical drive all together.

 

[janstett]

+1 to Battlestar Galactica. The updated Cylon ships and centurions are pretty sweet! Number 6 is not too shabby either.

I won't spoil it, but the first two seasons or so were the best television I've ever seen, sci-fi or overall. The way it ended was not the way I would have gone, but still it was a hell of a ride and very few people knew about it.

Thanks to Netflix and Apple TV I got hooked on the new BG series this year. I am currently on Season 3. Its great having all the seasons on screen and a click away. No discs to fumble with or waiting for them to arrive in the mail.

I got into the series around the end of season 2. I've watched it just about every way you can -- from crappy SD rips to SD broadcast to DVDs to 720p HD rips to to HD broacast to Blu-Ray. Obviously the best way to experience it is on Blu-Ray with 1080p picture and lossless 7.1 surround, even series producer Ron Moore was astonished with how gorgeous the Blu-Rays came out, he said it's even better than the way it was screened to the cast and crew.

You might want to consider adding this to your "Star Wars Blu-Ray exception list", it's that good

Just a shame you won't be able to watch them on your Macs, but that's what your PS3 is for, right?

Thats why I love my Macs - they instantly work unlike "some" other "third-rate" software/hardware companies.

Well, they don't "instantly work" if you want to watch movies in the highest quality format available, unfortunately. For lightweight media experiences, however, they are just dandy

 

[linux2mac]

I say give us Blu-Ray or just remove the damn optical drive all together.

+1

I would prefer a SSD in its place.

I won't spoil it, but the first two seasons or so were the best television I've ever seen, sci-fi or overall. The way it ended was not the way I would have gone, but still it was a hell of a ride and very few people knew about it.

+1

I was very impressed with the first two seasons. I was hooked after seeing the pilot. Had it not been for me browsing Netlfix one night and being able to instantly watch BG, I would have never known what a gem of a Sci Fi series it was.

You might want to consider adding this to your "Star Wars Blu-Ray exception list", it's that good

The thought has crossed my mind.

I'll probably rent the BD's first from Netflix and then decide. But in the past with boxed sets, I've only watched them once if any. I wasted a lot of money on my DVD collection and vowed to not do that again. Besides, what about the BG 4K set when that comes out?

Just a shame you won't be able to watch them on your Macs, but that's what your PS3 is for, right?

Well, after all, the PS3 is one hell of a BD player.

Well, they don't "instantly work" if you want to watch movies in the highest quality format available, unfortunately. For lightweight media experiences, however, they are just dandy

Even if I was still a Windows guy, I would not have a PC BD player as part of my home theater system. I am a Denon guy.

Like they say, "different tools for different jobs." I use my Macs for work and have not explored the home theater/entertainment possibilities. My current home entertainment system works. If it isn't broken, don't fix it - right? My work system was "broken" due to Windows, now its fixed thanks to Mac - regardless of someone finding a loose screw - LOL.

 

[elizabeth45]

Even last year MBP's have problems:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2420192?threadID=2420192&tstart=1

Look how many posts are over there.
And, no. I wasn't referring to the OSX GUI, but i was trying to be sarcastic, after i read @linux2mac "chocolate-flavored" comment and read this article:

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/25/ifixit-tears-down-the-new-15-inch-macbook-pro-2011-model/

Heck. Even a cheap "crappy" Acer that's assembled in Taiwan, or a Sony assembled in China is far more well assembled than a MBP



Open up your Mac and see if it has no "loosy" screws floating inside that "nice" aluminium case:

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/25/ifixit-tears-down-the-new-15-inch-macbook-pro-2011-model/

And hey, don't forget that mother Apple look after you and your secrets:

http://macdailynews.com/2011/04/21/...-from-apples-steve-jobs-over-iphone-tracking/

You are right. Apple's quality went over the toilet.
Been a Mac user since 1997, and recently i switched back to PCs. As i got no luck in finding a "perfect" iMac 27" without any yellow-tinted display.

 

[janstett]

I was very impressed with the first two seasons. I was hooked after seeing the pilot. Had it not been for me browsing Netlfix one night and being able to instantly watch BG, I would have never known what a gem of a Sci Fi series it was.

The thought has crossed my mind.

I'll probably rent the BD's first from Netflix and then decide. But in the past with boxed sets, I've only watched them once if any. I wasted a lot of money on my DVD collection and vowed to not do that again. Besides, what about the BG 4K set when that comes out?

Well that's all fine. I generally don't buy TV series myself. I used to collect HD rips and then after a while I just decided I'm never going to go back and watch most of them and deleted them.

I also used to have several DVDs a week coming in -- I bought a lot of stuff I should have rented, so I guess we're in the same boat. I do still buy Blu-Rays of anything exceptional, however.

BSG was so good, so finely crafted, not only did I keep the rips (which went through several iterations from SD to HD) I bought the Blu-Ray box set when it came out. I've watched the show a few times now, for example if there's a slow summer -- it was so finely crafted and each viewing reveals new things, and it's interesting to see what the writers had planned out and when, etc. It's definitely stood the test of time and rewatchability, at least for me. At this point I won't be watching again too quickly but I would watch it again after some time has passed.

Trek I'm kind of burned out on but I bought the box set and I've been watching with fresh eyes, and I'm really enjoying it because it's been a few years since I watched any of TOS. I'm seeing all kinds of things I didn't see before in the character development, such as seeing Kirk as an actual adult with a burden of leadership he hides from his underlings -- this may also be influenced by my reading of "The Art of War" specifically about the leader isolating himself from his troops and "kicking down the ladder" to stay above them. I guess when it's all in-your-face all the time like TOS is, you get numb to it. Even if I only watch it once, I won't mind having it in my collection for reference and I'll probably watch it down the road again. And I must say I'm getting a little kick out of the reworked effects (they were respectful of the original but add detail and do things like playing with camera placement and lighting) but the film restoration for the live action is top notch and incredibly detailed.

 

[nec207]

You are right. Apple's quality went over the toilet.
Been a Mac user since 1997, and recently i switched back to PCs. As i got no luck in finding a "perfect" iMac 27" without any yellow-tinted display.

What is this supose to me.

 

[chevy-jordan]

to experience full 1080p - blu-ray quality/enjoyment you would need a large monitor, surroundsound thus making the screen sizes of macs larger for some this would be great but for me the current sizes are not to big not to small.

 

[AidenShaw]

to experience full 1080p - blu-ray quality/enjoyment you would need a large monitor, surroundsound thus making the screen sizes of macs larger for some this would be great but for me the current sizes are not to big not to small.

It's not about having the "full 1080p" experience on the laptop - it's about having "better than VGA" if you want to watch a movie disc. (NTSC DVDs are typically 640x480 - 307 Kpixels!)

It's about a Mini Mac with BD as a nice HPTC system for the full 1080p experience.

It's also about being able to watch the BD movie that you own, without having to buy a second copy on DVD (or buy a download) to watch it on the laptop.

It's about using BD recordable discs for backup and data exchange. It's about being able to burn and proof a BD for a client - without having to use external drives and booting into Windows.

 

[MacNewsFix]

Many instances have shown Apple likes to move two steps ahead of others (ex. dropping the floppy disk) or waits until a market is fully baked (ex. LTE likely in iPhone 6 and not iPhone 5).

Right now, the video landscape is the Wild West. You have DVD sales dropping through the floor. There is slow but steady adoption of Blu-Ray; the same with VOD. At the same time, you have more and more Super HD devices creeping into trade shows. You also have a shifting attitude among consumers away from purchasing and toward "all-you-can-consume/flat rate" plans.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple is banking on a combination of 4K physical media and VOD services. By the time computer sales with Blu-Ray drives catches up with where they were when DVD sales sat when Apple adopted DVD drives, 4K will likely be the new gold standard for home viewing. Seeing as how there is speculation that Apple is moving toward super high res screens in Lion and beyond leads me to believe so. Also, with the mobile phenomenon, Apple will likely embrace streaming to satisfy the growing trend of devices that are sans optical drives (phones, tablets, netbooks, and laptops).

The MacBook Air was selling 1:2 versus Apple's other laptops until the MBP line was refreshed adding SandyBridge and Thunderbolt. When the Airs are refreshed again, that ratio will likely move back in toward that 1:2 ratio. The popularity of such laptops would seem to indicate an optical drive is no longer an absolute must.

Incredibly cheap traditional hard drives, pressured by the advent of the SSD, have made the adoption of Blu-Ray as a backup format much less appealing from a cost perspective.

If Blu-Ray ever catches on to the degree that the DVD was enjoying when Apple introduced DVD drive-equipped Macs, I doubt Apple will leave good money on the table.

-MacNewsFix

P.S. As we all know, whenever Apple adds or removes a feature, all hell breaks loose. They removed Firewire from the entry level MacBook, and you would have thought they were putting Apple Geniuses on street corners dealing crack. Perhaps they just don't want to get embroiled in another boondoggle. It seems they are taking the same wait and see approach with USB 3.0 and instead putting their energy behind Thunderbolt instead of dealing with draconian but flawed DRM, licensing bodies that sue each other, and a format that continues to be tweaked/evolved.

 

[AidenShaw]

Many instances have shown Apple likes to move two steps ahead of others (ex. dropping the floppy disk) or waits until a market is fully baked (ex. LTE likely in iPhone 6 and not iPhone 5).

In other words, Apple is sometimes on the leading edge and other times on the trailing edge.

It does seem though that lately "trailing edge" is more common than "leading edge". (USB 2.0, USB 3.0, BD, Sandy Bridge, eSATA, Core 2 Duo, HDMI, ...)

Remember the "leading edge" days, such as when Apple was the second manufacturer to announce DVD burners available on its systems?

 

[MacNewsFix]

In other words, Apple is sometimes on the leading edge and other times on the trailing edge.

It does seem though that lately "trailing edge" is more common than "leading edge". (USB 2.0, USB 3.0, BD, Sandy Bridge, eSATA, Core 2 Duo, HDMI, ...)

Remember the "leading edge" days, such as when Apple was the second manufacturer to announce DVD burners available on its systems?

If it means not getting saddled with lukewarm supported technology (USB 3.0), ones with kinks (see SandyBridge back in January), or crash-prone, battery sucking, security hole-ridden software (Adobe Flash), as a customer, I am grateful.

As many have said, what makes Apple great is not just about what they put in their devices but what they do not. As we've seen countless times in technology, just because we can doesn't mean we should.

-MacNewsFix

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

In other words, Apple is sometimes on the leading edge and other times on the trailing edge.

It does seem though that lately "trailing edge" is more common than "leading edge". (USB 2.0, USB 3.0, BD, Sandy Bridge, eSATA, Core 2 Duo, HDMI, ...)

Remember the "leading edge" days, such as when Apple was the second manufacturer to announce DVD burners available on its systems?

usb 3.0 is not supported on SNB, slot load bluray drives that would fit in the mbp aren't available, and thicker ones are outrageously priced, apple was one of the first out of the gate with the SNB processors, C2D was used so that they could have the 330m gpu, now people are complaining that if apple uses the new i processors they will have intel HD3000... can't always please everyone, some people want the graphics, others want the processor, can't have both and that's not apples fault, go bitch at intel for that one. Display port is better than HDMI and apple doesn't have to pay licensing fees, plus now it doubles as thunderbolt... wouldn't be enough room inside the computers to add hdmi too.

People have to realize how limited on space apple is in their laptops.

 

[MacNewsFix]

In other words, Apple is sometimes on the leading edge and other times on the trailing edge.

It does seem though that lately "trailing edge" is more common than "leading edge". (USB 2.0, USB 3.0, BD, Sandy Bridge, eSATA, Core 2 Duo, HDMI, ...)

Remember the "leading edge" days, such as when Apple was the second manufacturer to announce DVD burners available on its systems?

I'll give it to you that sometimes being on the "leading edge" is good. Case in point: the iPhone, which changed the face of the mobile phone space. Just look at phones prior to the iPhone's introduction and slightly after for proof.

However, whether being on the "leading edge" is a good thing often depends on who is doing the leading. I think of Microsoft's ten year lead in tablet computing. We all know where that led.

Thankfully, Apple decided to take the path of "trailing" and wait until a tablet that resonated with the public was feasible. The results speak for themselves.

-MacNewsFix

 

[-hh]

If it means not getting saddled with lukewarm supported technology (USB 3.0), ones with kinks (see SandyBridge back in January), or crash-prone, battery sucking, security hole-ridden software (Adobe Flash), as a customer, I am grateful.

As many have said, what makes Apple great is not just about what they put in their devices but what they do not. As we've seen countless times in technology, just because we can doesn't mean we should.

In simple terms, what I see is that Apple has shifted from being a Technology Fanboi to a Technological Pragmatist: they no longer seek to be an early adopter for the sake of being an early adopter - they pragmatically seek out the details as to why a particular tech is important and useful...and overall compelling in the marketplace.

Thus, being "neat" and "cool" aren't good enough reasons to pass the "So What?" test for inclusion in a product: such items get left on the shelf until such time that they are able to justify themselves. Naturally, for some tech, that day may very well be 'never', and Firewire 3200 is a candidate example.


-hh

 

[MacNewsFix]

In simple terms, what I see is that Apple has shifted from being a Technology Fanboi to a Technological Pragmatist: they no longer seek to be an early adopter for the sake of being an early adopter - they pragmatically seek out the details as to why a particular tech is important and useful...and overall compelling in the marketplace.

Thus, being "neat" and "cool" aren't good enough reasons to pass the "So What?" test for inclusion in a product: such items get left on the shelf until such time that they are able to justify themselves. Naturally, for some tech, that day may very well be 'never', and Firewire 3200 is a candidate example.


-hh

+1, though I heavily rely on Firewire 800 but look forward to jumping to Thunderbolt and its promise of simultaneous dual-direction 10 Gbits/s now and 100 Gbits/s in the future (not to mention simplification to reliance on just one cord).

 

[AidenShaw]

misleading

usb 3.0 is not supported on SNB

This is intentionally misleading - USB3 is not in the chipset, it takes a tiny additional chip for USB3. Intel includes the additional chip in most of its Sandy Bridge motherboards.

Apple found room for that huge TBolt chip, but Apple fans don't think that there's room for the NEC USB3 controller?

slot load bluray drives that would fit in the mbp aren't available, and thicker ones are outrageously priced

Who said that the MBP had to be so thin that components were difficult to source? And what about the Mini Mac and the maxi-tower?

Display port is better than HDMI...

HDMI is on more TVs.

 

[CQd44]

HDMI is on more TVs.

And, at least for the common customer, offers everything they'd need.

 

[MacNewsFix]

usb 3.0 is not supported on SNB

Yep. Same with AMD.

Display port is better than HDMI...

I'm with you. I'd rather have the one DisplayPort with the option of HDMI via an adaptor versus just HDMI or a DisplayPort and HDMI.

Why stop there, though? How about a hybrid Thunderbolt/DisplayPort/USB 3.0 port rather than a sea of ports on your computer? But who would ever be crazy enough to do that?

 

[PeterQVenkman]

'd rather have the one DisplayPort with the option of HDMI via an adaptor versus just HDMI or a DisplayPort and HDMI.

Why in the world would you want only display port versus display port + hdmi?

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

This is intentionally misleading - USB3 is not in the chipset, it takes a tiny additional chip for USB3. Intel includes the additional chip in most of its Sandy Bridge motherboards.

Apple found room for that huge TBolt chip, but Apple fans don't think that there's room for the NEC USB3 controller?

exactly... they included the chipset for thunderbolt, a technology they were supporting, envisioning, and helping to develop, may not have left room for the usb chipset as well.

Who said that the MBP had to be so thin that components were difficult to source? And what about the Mini Mac and the maxi-tower?

You think apple is going to suddenly come out with a redesigned macbook pro that is bigger than the previous gen just so they could add usb 3.0 and a bluray drive... both technologies apple doesn't care about? In case you haven't noticed apple likes to make things thinner, not thicker...

mac mini nor the mac pro have been updated since usb 3.0 has become available so it's not even possible that they would support such features.

Also the mac mini is also very limited on space and has to worry about heat.

HDMI is on more TVs.

and apple updated the mac mini to include an hdmi port... most other people connect their computers to monitors, many of which, including apples, have display port or mDP...

You can also buy an adapter that costs $8 if you want to connect via hdmi... it's not like it's some huge inconvenience and nobody can connect their macs to their tvs

Why in the world would you want only display port versus display port + hdmi?

what's the purpose of having both on a laptop? waste of space to have 2 video outs when display port will support higher resolutions and is compatible with hdmi if you get an adapter. display port is definitely the more universal port, especially now that it doubles as thunderbolt. one port that can carry data, audio, and video.. idk why anyone would prefer hdmi?