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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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toke lahti said:
Yep,
I have Finnish account in iTunes. Our iTS offers zero hd movies to us. I can't even redeem my digital copies of bd purchases with mac, since I'd need to have British account to iTS. Surprisingly I can get digital copy with windows...
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iTunes movies will NEVER become a hit in Europe! And neither will a certain black Apple box, nobody gives a s***t about over here...
The regional restrictions and limitations are way too steep! Even most hardcore Apple fanboys from the "good enough" convenience camp cannot stomach them.
While we are lucky to have a few "HD" titles here in Switzerland, they are all DUBBED! :eek::eek::eek:

O boy, was I pissed when finding out that my British digital copies couldn't be redeemed with my Swiss account!
That's the real reason why so many multi-language BD's from continental Europe carry digital copies in that dreadful WMV format!

Therefore, an iTunes gift card is on top of my shopping list for my next London trip.
Because my U.S. digital copies are all unlocked courtesy of my iTS U.S. account I created with a gift card and a random U.S. address and phone number ;)

Isn't it silly that you have to commit an illegal act to watch your perfectly legal digital copies?
When there is no legal way at all to unlock the stuff, one could as well be tempted to search the dark alleys of the internets in the first place...
 
cheesymogul said:
The regional restrictions and limitations are way too steep! Even most hardcore Apple fanboys from the "good enough" convenience camp cannot stomach them.
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Seems to be very hard for them to understand that our Europeans "good enough" iTS-hd-movies simply don't exist. And low mac penetration (because of higher prices and lower income than in US) makes it sure that you can't use almost no "digital" rentals.
So only way to watch hd with your mac would be bd.
cheesymogul said:
Therefore, an iTunes gift card is on top of my shopping list for my next London trip.
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Just remember to check out those expiring dates of your digital copies.
Although they seem to move all the time.
Pretty strange that they even have limited time, distributors want that bought hard copy's value diminish over time?
I don't have energy or time to waste jogging with iTunes accounts. I just rip dvd or bd version, when needed.

Wonderspark,
can you elaborate your secret way?
Better than torrents or makeMKV?
 
toke lahti said:
Seems to be very hard for them to understand that our Europeans "good enough" iTS-hd-movies simply don't exist. And low mac penetration (because of higher prices and lower income than in US) makes it sure that you can't use almost no "digital" rentals.
So only way to watch hd with your mac would be bd.

Just remember to check out those expiring dates of your digital copies.
Although they seem to move all the time.
Pretty strange that they even have limited time, distributors want that bought hard copy's value diminish over time?
I don't have energy or time to waste jogging with iTunes accounts. I just rip dvd or bd version, when needed.

Wonderspark,
can you elaborate your secret way?
Better than torrents or makeMKV?
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It's not my secret, as I didn't discover it, but here's how it works:
1) Put Blu-ray into BD drive
2) Open MakeMKV (and VLC)
3) In MakeMKV, click "Open Blu-ray disc" button in the source window (disc with green arrow pointing to hard drive)
4) In a few seconds, movie is decrypted (Boondock Saints II took 32 seconds)
5) Select the movie title track, and click "Stream" button on top (looks like a satellite dish next to a monitor)
6) Click the Streaming server link down below (Boondock Saints II shows up as http://192.168.1.4:51000)
7) In web browser that pops up, click /web/titles, then /web/title0, then /stream/title0.m2ts
8) In VLC, click File-> Open network...
9) Copy address from web browser (Safari) and paste it into the URL box in VLC, then click "Open RTP/UDP Stream
Movie is now playing directly from disc.

You have to do it fairly quickly, or the MakeMKV will error out and quit. I open VLC and get the Open network screen ready ahead of time so I can just copy and paste the address from Safari into the URL box in VLC quickly. Takes under a minute once you get the hang of it.

I found this method on these forums, but don't remember where. Someone was making or did make a script to streamline it, but I didn't catch it, and now I can't find it. That would be nice, but since you have to select the movie title track out of all the other tracks on the disc, I don't see how a script could intelligently choose the largest track. Then again, I don't much about scripts.
 
wonderspark said:
2) Open MakeMKV (and VLC)
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Tried this last week and installed the latest MakeMKV version. But this crappy beta-beta software crashed every time when trying to open it!
The older versions might have worked, but it seems you'll have to buy a $50 lifetime key to keep previous versions running. :confused:
Who in his right mind would put up 50 bucks for an EXPERIMENTAL software? :(

Excerpts from the MakeMKV's Mac Forum:

The latest version of MakeMKV has a bug causing crash when running on Mac OS X 10.5.8 Leopard . The program would crash either at start, when accessing preferences menu or at some other time. The problem happens only on 10.5.8 and the exact reason is yet unknown. If you experience this issue then your only choice is to upgrade your OS to 10.6.x ( or 10.7.x ) . We're working on the fix. Please accept our apologies.
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The response of the users then went on like this:
I'm seeing this with Mac OS 10.6.7 and MakeMKV 1.6.8 as well.
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I am seeing this issue with MakeMKV 1.6.8 and Mac OSx 10.6.7. Lastly, 10.7 isn't even out yet and won't be till this summer.
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It seems your magic wonder solution has lost its spark... ;)
Or currently works only in the Windows version - like anything BD related... :mad::mad::mad:
 
wonderspark said:
It's not my secret, as I didn't discover it, but here's how it works:
1) Put Blu-ray into BD drive
2) Open MakeMKV (and VLC)
3) In MakeMKV, click "Open Blu-ray disc" button in the source window (disc with green arrow pointing to hard drive)
4) In a few seconds, movie is decrypted (Boondock Saints II took 32 seconds)
5) Select the movie title track, and click "Stream" button on top (looks like a satellite dish next to a monitor)
6) Click the Streaming server link down below (Boondock Saints II shows up as http://192.168.1.4:51000)
7) In web browser that pops up, click /web/titles, then /web/title0, then /stream/title0.m2ts
8) In VLC, click File-> Open network...
9) Copy address from web browser (Safari) and paste it into the URL box in VLC, then click "Open RTP/UDP Stream
Movie is now playing directly from disc.
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I dare MR to put this on the first page.
 
wonderspark said:
I found this method on these forums, but don't remember where. Someone was making or did make a script to streamline it, but I didn't catch it, and now I can't find it. That would be nice, but since you have to select the movie title track out of all the other tracks on the disc, I don't see how a script could intelligently choose the largest track. Then again, I don't much about scripts.
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Make MKV's command line capabilities are too limited for the scripting to this. We need to petition the developer to add them.
 
toke lahti said:
And low mac penetration (because of higher prices and lower income than in US) makes it sure that you can't use almost no "digital" rentals.
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That shouldn't be the problem here in Switzerland. With a market share of 17.1% we are the world leader in Mac penetration :)
Nevertheless, even in such a Mac-friendly country like ours, iTS movies and ATV are a huge flop so far.

Apple's problem: Due to our high average income we not only can afford Macs, but also have an extremely high penetration in expensive home theater equipment and BD players. Therefore most people are already used to a much higher picture and audio quality than Apple is able to offer...

It's not surprising that the few ATV owners I know are all using their Apple box exclusively for listening iTS music downloads over their A/V system.
 
cheesymogul said:
Nevertheless, even in such a Mac-friendly country like ours, iTS movies and ATV are a huge flop so far.
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Switzerland, only by itself, might also be too small market for iTS hd movies.
AFAIK, there has been some movement for getting digital distribution rights for the whole EU at once, so Apple wouldn't have to negotiate to each country at a time, but I'm not sure does these negotiations include Switzerland.
 
For those who think discs are dead...

I thought this article was really interesting. It's about the surge in disc sales during the second quarter this year, mostly due to the latest Harry Potter movie coming out.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/tks-take/second-quarter-bonanza

At the end he says they will have an article coming soon about the success of the Blu-ray format, to coincide with the format's fifth anniversary. That should be a good one I think...
 
cheesymogul said:
Tried this last week and installed the latest MakeMKV version. But this crappy beta-beta software crashed every time when trying to open it!
The older versions might have worked, but it seems you'll have to buy a $50 lifetime key to keep previous versions running. :confused:
Who in his right mind would put up 50 bucks for an EXPERIMENTAL software? :(

Excerpts from the MakeMKV's Mac Forum:



The response of the users then went on like this:




It seems your magic wonder solution has lost its spark... ;)
Or currently works only in the Windows version - like anything BD related... :mad::mad::mad:
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Huh. Well that sucks.

It works on my 2009 Mac Pro, 10.6.7, MakeMKV beta 1.6.8 using an LG 10x BD burner, and VLC 1.1.9. I just watched another one to verify. I can skip around the movie, full screen it, and do whatever without problems.

Make sure you have that box marked "streaming" checked in MakeMKV.

I didn't say it was super intuitive or simple, but once you get it sorted, it works.
 
cheesymogul said:
Tried this last week and installed the latest MakeMKV version. But this crappy beta-beta software crashed every time when trying to open it!
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Do you realize how much simpler it would be to run Windows 7 from dual-boot, rather than try experimental hacks to watch *your* BD movies on Apple OSX?
 
wonderspark said:
Make sure you have that box marked "streaming" checked in MakeMKV.
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Can't even get there. The darn thing crashes already upon launching...

AidenShaw said:
Do you realize how much simpler it would be to run Windows 7 from dual-boot, rather than try experimental hacks to watch *your* BD movies on Apple OSX?
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Yes, I am painfully aware of that. That's why I'm so pissed at Apple!!!
They are practically forcing me to buy the enemy OS!
They better start selling their next generation Mac Pro with Win 7 pre-installed, so the damn thing at least works out of the box!

Workarounds like these remind me of the late-90ies era PC's, where people had to buy add-ons, cards and what-not to get the interfaces they needed.
Back then, Power Macs on the other hand were interface-wise fully equipped or could be ordered with drives for every optical media of that time (CD, DVD, Zip).
:mad::mad::mad:
 
joeprat said:
Call him greedy, call him stupid but Steve is the boss
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Not for much longer.

wonderspark said:
It's not my secret, as I didn't discover it, but here's how it works:
1) Put Blu-ray into BD drive
2) Open MakeMKV (and VLC)
3) In MakeMKV, click "Open Blu-ray disc" button in the source window (disc with green arrow pointing to hard drive)
4) In a few seconds, movie is decrypted (Boondock Saints II took 32 seconds)
5) Select the movie title track, and click "Stream" button on top (looks like a satellite dish next to a monitor)
6) Click the Streaming server link down below (Boondock Saints II shows up as http://192.168.1.4:51000)
7) In web browser that pops up, click /web/titles, then /web/title0, then /stream/title0.m2ts
8) In VLC, click File-> Open network...
9) Copy address from web browser (Safari) and paste it into the URL box in VLC, then click "Open RTP/UDP Stream
Movie is now playing directly from disc.

You have to do it fairly quickly, or the MakeMKV will error out and quit. I open VLC and get the Open network screen ready ahead of time so I can just copy and paste the address from Safari into the URL box in VLC quickly. Takes under a minute once you get the hang of it.

I found this method on these forums, but don't remember where. Someone was making or did make a script to streamline it, but I didn't catch it, and now I can't find it. That would be nice, but since you have to select the movie title track out of all the other tracks on the disc, I don't see how a script could intelligently choose the largest track. Then again, I don't much about scripts.
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Thanks. I'll have a lot of fun going through all those hoops on a plane showing a business colleague my Blu-ray presentation. And cringing when I get out a portable Blu-ray player and put away my laptop and hearing "Can't that Apple play a Blu-ray yet?"

Thanks Steve. JERK.


:apple:
 
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xbjllb said:
I'll have a lot of fun going through all those hoops on a plane showing a business colleague my Blu-ray presentation. And cringing when I get out a portable Blu-ray player and put away my laptop and hearing "Can't that Apple play a Blu-ray yet?"
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What does the phrase "Blu-ray presentation" mean? What's blu about it? Why wouldn't your presentation work with any media?

Maybe your business colleague will be asking you, "Why are you binding your presentation with any particular kind of media?" That may be what gets him to chuckle at you.

Thanks Steve. JERK.
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You seem to presume this is Steve's personal crusade and that Apple's approach to Blu-ray will change when Steve leaves. What evidence do you have to support that position?
 
wonderspark said:
It's not my secret, as I didn't discover it, but here's how it works:
1) Put Blu-ray into BD drive
2) Open MakeMKV (and VLC)
3) In MakeMKV, click "Open Blu-ray disc" button in the source window (disc with green arrow pointing to hard drive)
4) In a few seconds, movie is decrypted (Boondock Saints II took 32 seconds)
5) Select the movie title track, and click "Stream" button on top (looks like a satellite dish next to a monitor)
6) Click the Streaming server link down below (Boondock Saints II shows up as http://192.168.1.4:51000)
7) In web browser that pops up, click /web/titles, then /web/title0, then /stream/title0.m2ts
8) In VLC, click File-> Open network...
9) Copy address from web browser (Safari) and paste it into the URL box in VLC, then click "Open RTP/UDP Stream
Movie is now playing directly from disc.

You have to do it fairly quickly, or the MakeMKV will error out and quit. I open VLC and get the Open network screen ready ahead of time so I can just copy and paste the address from Safari into the URL box in VLC quickly. Takes under a minute once you get the hang of it.

I found this method on these forums, but don't remember where. Someone was making or did make a script to streamline it, but I didn't catch it, and now I can't find it. That would be nice, but since you have to select the movie title track out of all the other tracks on the disc, I don't see how a script could intelligently choose the largest track. Then again, I don't much about scripts.
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xbjllb said:
Not for much longer.



Thanks. I'll have a lot of fun going through all those hoops on a plane showing a business colleague my Blu-ray presentation. And cringing when I get out a portable Blu-ray player and put away my laptop and hearing "Can't that Apple play a Blu-ray yet?"

Thanks Steve. JERK.


:apple:
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That's too bad because I prefer to just sit back and enjoy my flight - sans physical media. I really don't miss the days of fumbling with inserting disks into my laptop on a wobbly tray table or having to move someone's oversized carry on bag to get to my physical media.

Thanks Steve for making my life easier with Apple products that "just work." I feel sorry for your "flummoxed" competitors that just can't keep up. On second thought I don't feel sorry for them. LOL
 
linux2mac said:
That's too bad because I prefer to just sit back and enjoy my flight - sans physical media. I really don't miss the days of fumbling with inserting disks into my laptop on a wobbly tray table or having to move someone's oversized carry on bag to get to my physical media.

Thanks Steve for making my life easier with Apple products that "just work." I feel sorry for your "flummoxed" competitors that just can't keep up. On second thought I don't feel sorry for them. LOL
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You can still do that with if there was a bluRay disk. Your entire physical media argument is not valid here. I saved copies of DVD to my laptop before to watch when traveling or at school and not deal with physical media but guess I would have a much easier time ripping the movies and if I choose I could watch them at much better quality than what you can on your Mac.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
You can still do that with if there was a bluRay disk. Your entire physical media argument is not valid here. I saved copies of DVD to my laptop before to watch when traveling or at school and not deal with physical media but guess I would have a much easier time ripping the movies and if I choose I could watch them at much better quality than what you can on your Mac.
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Would BD quality really be worth it to watch on a 11" MBA ( I am looking to upgrade my current laptop at next 11" MBA refresh)? I am all about traveling light given that I am on the road 6 months out of the year.
 
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