So crappy streams with inferior video and inferior audio is equal to steak and blu rays with vastly superior video and vastly superior audio is equal to hamburgers? I can't even imagine how awful iTunes or netflix "hd" looks on a 92 inch screen when compared to a blu ray.
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So crappy streams with inferior video and inferior audio is equal to steak and blu rays with vastly superior video and vastly superior audio is equal to hamburgers? I can't even imagine how awful iTunes or netflix "hd" looks on a 92 inch screen when compared to a blu ray.
Yeah, "God did it" left me saying "cop out", as did Kara being an angel. I was looking for more. I think they got lost plot-wise after New Caprica. The first two seasons really left you thinking the entire story arc was planned well in advance (it was one of those shows that had me watching episodes several times to pick up on clues and foreshadowing), but that went out the window in seasons 3 and 4. But still, the first two seasons were some of the best TV ever and overall the show was still exceptional.
I thought where they were going with this was that the "head creatures" are perhaps the oldest iteration of the cycle and very likely the very first Cylons, the gods of Kobol themselves, trying to guide humanity. A race with technology that can resurrect in artificial bodies sure would seem god-like to tribal humans. That's still possible, I suppose.
At least they didn't do a Sopranos ending...
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So why did you ask: "Would BD quality really be worth it to watch on a 11" MBA ( I am looking to upgrade my current laptop at next 11" MBA refresh)?"?
Well, first those two statements weren't made by the same person.
Secondly, remember what I said -- we're at the stage where innovative content producers are pushing the limits of what the DVD can hold.
Exhibit A: high end games shipping on multiple discs (e.g. Mass Effect 2)
Exhibit B: Microsoft's XBox system update that introduces a new format to squeeze an extra 1GB out of DVDs
Exhibit C: Some games already ship on Blu-Ray (e.g. Gran Turismo 5 on a 50gb disc)
There was a time a floppy disk or a cartridge was enough to hold a game.
There was a time a CD was enough to hold a game.
There was a time a DVD was enough to hold a game, and that time is coming to an end.
Games have always gotten more sophisticated, more complex, and require more space. Always. The trend towards online streaming hasn't changed this. I'm not aware of any games that stream in-game video instead of shipping it on the disk.
Sure, there are mini games you can download for the consoles on XBox Live and PSN network but they are appetizers not the main course.
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BD + linux2mac's 92" HT Screen = Steak
BD + 15" Windows Laptop = Hamburger
My laptop is for work. Not entertainment. I would hate for it to become another "iToy."
Because I want the best resolution possible, and produce around 100-300 to giveaway. Strange concept, I know. Businesses have only been doing it since the 1940's with lacquer 78 rpm records. And onward through each technological media advance. Until Mr. Jobs decided Apple business customers "get" to jump ahead a decade with no alternative in the meantime.
No, when someone makes a nasty comment about Apple not being able to play a Blu-ray disc, IT'S A NASTY COMMENT ABOUT APPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO PLAY A BLU-RAY DISC.
His own words and penchant for petty vendettas.
Who the hell use Blu ray drive .
People who speak English.
Priceless!!
First off, the supposed 'bag of hurt' logic that the author claims is the reason there is no Blu-ray in the 360 shows a lack of console history knowledge, IMO. Secondly, the quote from the head 360 guy in the UK is a total PR answer. Would you honestly expect the guy to toss the company under the bus and say, "Yup, Sony sure did outsmart us with the PS3"? If HD-DVD had won the war and not Blu-Ray do you think the MS employee would be ragging on HD-DVD? I sure don't.
Why did the 360 ship w/a DVD drive and not an HD-DVD drive (Blu-ray was never an option, IMO)? Because MS wanted a year head start on Sony and Nintendo and wanted to keep costs down. If the 360 shipped the same year as the PS3 I think the 360 would've had an HD-DVD drive built in as opposed being an optional add-on and it would've been more expensive. So far it looks like MS's gamble on the DVD drive has paid off. The 360 is in a much better market position than the original Xbox and the 360 hardware sales stopped being a loss leader in fall of '06 (about a year after launch) while the PS3's hardware sales only stopped being a loss leader this past summer (about 3.5yrs after launch). Of course MS's attempt to squeeze a little bit more storage out of the DVD format is a sign they are worried about space as they get into the backside of the 360's life (new hardware from Sony and MS is expected in 2013 or 2014). Sony always said they had a 10 plan for the PS3 so we'll see where it ends up after a terrible start (consoles typically have a five year life span).
EDIT (hit post too soon): MS going with Blu-ray would compete with their video streaming services and show they made a fundamental miscalculation w/the 360. If they did switch from DVD to Blu-ray it would increase costs and only give people the ability to watch back Blu-ray movies as game development would have to stay with DVD. There's no upside to the 360 adopting Blu-ray.
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Really, all you need is the PJ. That's an idea, actually. Boring white walls in hotel rooms could use a little spruce up, and would work well for a quick screen. At least, better than the TVs they have. Of course, then I'd need a Win laptop to play a BD. That's not gonna happen.
Let's speculate about the XBox 360's replacement, whatever it will be called.
Sure, it probably won't be here until 2013-2015. But if it's coming out by then, it means they're working on it now.
Will it be entirely online based, i.e. you download all the games from XBox Live? You gotta be kidding me.
Will it be flash memory based? Too expensive but possible, I suppose. I don't see MS cutting into profits with that kind of cost, however, when discs costs pennies to stamp.
Will it still have a DVD drive? Possibly, but the games already shipping on multiple discs and Microsoft's roll out of the new DVD format extension say "probably not". DVD is already clearly inadequate for the future.
So that means either (a) Microsoft invents a new physical format, or (b) adopts Blu-Ray.
There are many reasons why (a) is very unlikely. It would cost a lot of R&D and time and money, and even if they avoided standards organizations to push it through, think of all the headaches it would cause on the back end -- instead of using off the shelf components from the big parts suppliers to make the drives they'd have to have drives built entirely special purpose (significantly driving up the per-unit costs), the mass duplicators who stamp the discs wouldn't be able to create the media creating a huge expense and backlog of publishing lead time, etc. I seriously don't see this happening, although it would be a huge blow to piracy.
It's also unlikely that any of the promised "next gen" physical formats such as holographic discs will be ready by then, if at all. But even if ithey were, it sure would contradict all those here saying Blu-Ray will be the last physical format, wouldn't it? Further, any company producing such a drive would have to include backwards compatibility for the old formats as all new 5" optical disc formats in the past have done -- CD, DVD, and now BD. Especially if the new console is going to play old games.
Logically, MS is almost forced to adopt Blu-Ray for the next console generation, and by that time I guess they will do it very quietly. They have to have a disc that offers more space and it's very prohibitive to "roll your own" format. My prediction, they will put their tails between their legs and include BD-ROM, sort of like how they adopted HDMI after rejecting it on the first 360.
Sometimes a burger hits the spot more than the best steak. Sometimes you just can't get steak, like when you're in a hotel room or on an airplane.
And you've said you enthusiastically watch movies on the road with an iPhone, do you not? What is that in this analogy, Slim Jims? Cold meatballs? Canned beef raviolis? Hamburger Helper?
My laptop is for work. Not entertainment. I would hate for it to become another "iToy."
Quickly, run to your laptop and delete DVDplayer.app and the games Apple ships.
You don't know how much not playing the latest, best media conflicts with Apple's storied history. Apple most certainly is not a "business machine" company. Sure they can be used that way, but that's the reason there is no docking architecture or modular drive bay.
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I don't think watching video podcasts like "Angry Mac Bastards," "MacBreak Weekly," and "This Week In Tech" require BD quality video.
Tell that to companies like Medtronic and numerous other companies big and small.
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/medtronic/
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/
Apple has indeed infiltrated Enterprise!
A well made hamburger has got to be better than a simple steak. I'd prefer to mince and season the steak and turn it into a burger.
Off topic?
I'm amazed at the people who say BD on a laptop wouldn't be noticeable, then rave about the retina display. It's the same concept and it's very noticeable. Things look impossibly sharp.
Off topic (isn't everything at this point?) most everyone needs to watch some Arrested Development on Netflix. I just found that gem on streaming and I haven't laughed that hard in a LONG time, even though I saw it when it first aired.
It's worth getting netflix streaming for just a month to see the whole series.
Off topic (isn't everything at this point?) most everyone needs to watch some Arrested Development on Netflix. I just found that gem on streaming and I haven't laughed that hard in a LONG time, even though I saw it when it first aired.
It's worth getting netflix streaming for just a month to see the whole series.
If by "infiltrated" you mean "established a tiny toe-hold". Apple has long been on the business ******-list and indeed has made some small inroads especially once the iPhone started supporting exchange, bit it's a grain of sand on the beach.
Apple's ecosystem is sorely missing many features business computing requires. Among them are:
- no built-in 3G for the road
- no docking architecture
- no modular drive bay architecture
- no VGA or HDMI so bring a bag full of dongles to the conference room
- no support for older secure Wi-Fi (I can't remember the name of it but I couldn't get on my corporate wi-fi because the Mac didn't support the old standard, while PCs were just fine).
All of which are virtually required in corporate use.
I've actually used a Mac in a big corporate environment.
What usually kills them is they are left unsupported by corporate IT (i.e. if you get one, we don't recommend it and you are on your own for support) and there's the software conundrum. There's still a lot of software that does not exist on the Mac (Visio, MS Project for starters) and yes there are Mac alternatives but you're causing unneccessary headaches to shoe-horn them into the workflow. And even when Mac software exists, it is never 100% compatible with the PC versions and you will forever be known as the "Mac guy" who screwed up the project documentation because he had to be different and use a Mac. Finally, Mac versions of software like Office are not covered by site licenses so you will have to individually buy each piece of software such as Office which shows you not only bought a more expensive computer but you're costing the company more in software purchases too. Oh, and pray your VPN provider has a working Mac client.
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Millions of Mac owners who are envious of their PC owning counterparts who have had Blu-ray drives for years. That's who cares.
Next question?
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Blurays aren't needed my dudes. Yes they pack some of he highest sound and audio quality at a retail level, but they rely on a physical disk and they are still pricey. Job's has it right with the investment of the Apple store. Once the Apple store is able to sell compressed 1080P videos I feel people will completely forget about Blurays. I am actually surprised he didn't eliminate an optical drive on the iMac which would have taken major balls to do. Let us be honest, besides maybe the 27" iMac and if you had you Mac hooked up to a HDTV, Bluray doesn't make sense. Why watch a Bluray on your 13" MBP or even a 20" iMac/Computer screen? Also, how can you really enjoy the high definition audio on an iMac or MBP?
Some people are defiantly going to bitch and wine and explain that at $________ price you could be getting so and so features, but you should remember features/specs have never been part of Apple's game plan but rather the user experience. Blurays can't be meshed with your iPhone, iTunes, and iPad, which makes them useless to Apple.
if I want to see a movie in HD I'll watch in on my HDTV or pay $13 to see it.
Blurays aren't needed my dudes. Yes they pack some of he highest sound and audio quality at a retail level, but they rely on a physical disk and they are still pricey. Job's has it right with the investment of the Apple store. Once the Apple store is able to sell compressed 1080P videos I feel people will completely forget about Blurays. I am actually surprised he didn't eliminate an optical drive on the iMac which would have taken major balls to do. Let us be honest, besides maybe the 27" iMac and if you had you Mac hooked up to a HDTV, Bluray doesn't make sense. Why watch a Bluray on your 13" MBP or even a 20" iMac/Computer screen? Also, how can you really enjoy the high definition audio on an iMac or MBP?
Some people are defiantly going to bitch and wine and explain that at $________ price you could be getting so and so features, but you should remember features/specs have never been part of Apple's game plan but rather the user experience. Blurays can't be meshed with your iPhone, iTunes, and iPad, which makes them useless to Apple.
if I want to see a movie in HD I'll watch in on my HDTV or pay $13 to see it.
Try again, it's all real (not fear), and as recent as the past few years. I lived everything I wrote. I was one of the non-conformist Mac guys trying to shoe-horn a Mac into a big company ecosystem.
But go ahead, if it's FUD, it should be pretty easy to dispute. I'll wait.
So-called HD movies on iTunes sell for $19.99 and rent for $4.99.
Go ahead and check, I'll wait.
I can rent a vastly superior Blu-Ray from RedBox for $2, or have it as part of my Netflix or Blockbuster mail account for nothing extra, or I can buy a new title for roughly the same price as iTunes -- for a disc I own forever in high quality 1080p and lossless surround, that I can sell to someone else when I get bored of, that I can watch anywhere (not DRM tied to 5 machines on my iTunes account that I can never sell to anybody else). Even if iTunes had a great HD selection (which it doesn't) it's not any bargain.
They still don't even sell lossless music, so don't hold your breath. 720p is "good enough" for the idiot masses, apparently.
Well, first of all, many of us DO have very large displays (mine is a 30" 2560x1600) and Apple sells cinema displays and the 27" iMac in that range.
Secondly, HTPC.
Thirdly, even on the smaller displays, DVD only offers 720x480 and that's 1/3 the pixels of even Apple's smallest display. Better to downscale 1080p than upscale 480p.
Fourthly, Macs used to be undisputed as the best machines to consume high end digital media.
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How is this possible with lack of BD support?
Mac Sales To Enterprises Jump as PCs Replaced
http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Mac-Sales-To-Enterprises-Jump/story.xhtml?story_id=11300BKW4KCW
Apple's Mac steals Windows enterprise sales
http://blogs.computerworld.com/18330/apples_mac_steals_windows_enterprise_sales
Apple computer sales grow faster than PC sales for five years - but why?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/may/24/apple-sales-growth-pc-market
Apple makes huge inroads in enterprise as corporate Mac sales surge 66%
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...terprise_as_corporate_mac_sales_surge_66.html
Macs Appearing On More Government Desktops
http://www.macnews.com/content/macs-appearing-more-government-desktops
Government Mac Purchases Exploding
http://modmyi.com/forums/mac-news/725812-government-mac-purchases-exploding.html
Analyst: Macs Sales to Government Goes Through the Roof
http://www.cultofmac.com/analyst-macs-sales-to-government-goes-through-the-roof/56029
The latest Apple switcher: US government
http://www.9to5mac.com/69919/the-latest-apple-switcher-us-government/
Apple making huge strides into government, enterprise and small business
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/23/apple-making-huge-strides-into-government-enterprise-and-small/
My personal favorite:
Where in the world are Mac sales growing? Everywhere.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/05/22/where-in-the-world-are-mac-sales-growing-everywhere/
Want more?:
http://news.google.com/news/more?cl...sult&ct=more-results&resnum=4&ved=0CFkQqgIwAw
How is this possible with lack of BD support?
You do realize that
It's very easy to have high percentage growth when you start with miniscule numbers.
Lots of nice links, but they don't prove what you think that they do.
Find some links describing companies with 10,000 or more client systems that have already moved 50% of them to Apple OSX.
As limited and entry-level as it was, Apple killed its enterprise hopes when it killed the Xserve. Can you see the CIO of a Fortune 500 saying "our entire company runs on a MiniMac server on a 1000 kVa APC UPS".
"Not caring less" is a completely valid position. (The proper phrase is "I couldn't care less"...) You don't care if Apple adds a BD option, and you don't care if Apple doesn't add a BD option. Either way is OK with you.
A majority of the posts on this thread, however, are arguments between people who think that BD is a reasonable *option*, and people who don't think that it should even be an *option*.
The latter group cares very much about *not* having a BD option. It's not a "couldn't care less" situation, they're adamantly opposed to the idea of Apple supporting the rapidly growing HD optical disc standard - in spite of arguments that BD is the only viable way to get high quality 1080p content today to all but a microscopic fraction of the population on extremely high bandwidth lines without usage caps.
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Link please.
So the wool has been pulled over my eyes, those of the editors at dozens of news outlets, countless financial journalists, etc, etc. Amazing.
What I'm arguing is that Mac sales are booming everywhere - despite BD support!! Hard data backs my argument.
Meanwhile, in other parts of the computer industry......
CHART OF THE DAY: Proof The iPad Is Affecting Consumer PC Sales
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-consumer-pc-growth-2011-5
Let's not move the goalposts (again)
They are all here: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/12677631/
They describe large percentage of growth, but not large percentage of sales.
Can't defend your enterprise argument, so now you're moving the goalposts to tablets?
They are all here: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/12677631/
They describe large percentage of growth, but not large percentage of sales.
Can't defend your enterprise argument, so now you're moving the goalposts to tablets?
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