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This article brings up a good question: where is the Blu-Ray version of the XBOX? Let's face it, with ZERO software being sold in Blu-Ray format, it makes less sense to have Blu-Ray on your PC versus on something hooked to your home entertainment system.

On the PC side, Microsoft supports Blu-ray on its Windows operating system, but Microsoft doesn’t make PCs. It does make the Xbox, so it’s interesting to note that, when it comes to selling computing hardware, Microsoft and Apple are on the same page. Blu-ray hardware licensing must be a "bag of hurt" for Microsoft, too.
 
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Blu-ray hardware licensing must be a "bag of hurt" for Microsoft, too.

It sure looks that way. I wonder how many Xbox folks would like a BD player in their 360? Probably not many as they use the streaming services offered by Xbox Live -just like Apple TV. I guess Ballmer is a " black turtle necked overlord" too! LOL
 
Would BD quality really be worth it to watch on a 11" MBA ( I am looking to upgrade my current laptop at next 11" MBA refresh)? I am all about traveling light given that I am on the road 6 months out of the year.

Yes. Bluray quality is nothing short of sensational as compared to DVD. However, I am also one who wishes only death upon optical drives, ANY of them, including the not so "Super" Drive. :D (I don't even like the fact that I can't rip out my DVDRW drive and replace it with a SATA drive that I really want in my 27" iMac. :eek:

As far as running it on the Air, full-blown 1080p's may not make sense but 720p's for sure. :apple:
 
Yes. Bluray quality is nothing short of sensational as compared to DVD. However, I am also one who wishes only death upon optical drives, ANY of them, including the not so "Super" Drive. :D (I don't even like the fact that I can't rip out my DVDRW drive and replace it with a SATA drive that I really want in my 27" iMac. :eek:

As far as running it on the Air, full-blown 1080p's may not make sense but 720p's for sure. :apple:

I hope the next iMacs don't have useless optical drives. The optical in both my MBP and iMac are useless to me. I also would rather have a second hard drive in there or SSD. At least my Mini is optical drive free. Its really not necessary to include built in optical drives these days. I'd rather just buy an external if needed.
 
And by the way, to those who make the argument that Bluray would be good as a way to back up content, I must disagree with you strongly as well. Yes, you can fit 50GB on just ONE Bluray disc, BUT that is a DL (double-layer) disc and they're expensive, just like their DVDRW DL counterpart. Why not just use external hard drives for storage?

I don't know if I have to stress how unbelievably CHEAP hard drive storage has become, but you can get yourself a nice looking' 2.5" enclosure for $20 (if you want to have small, lightweight and/or portable drives) and just keep adding more as you need more space. :rolleyes:
 
I hope the next iMacs don't have useless optical drives. The optical in both my MBP and iMac are useless to me. I also would rather have a second hard drive in there or SSD. At least my Mini is optical drive free. Its really not necessary to include built in optical drives these days. I'd rather just buy an external if needed.

Exactly! Before I switched "to the Mac", I had owned nothing but ThinkPad's for eleven (11) years, which I quite enjoyed until Lenovo took over and quality went to hell, but that's for another never-ending thread.

One thing I absolutely loved was the Ultrabay drive caddy. Every time I got a new ThinkPad, the first thing was to remove the optical drive, including my two most recent ThinkPad's with Bluray burners. lol...The other thing I did was pull whatever hard drive came with it and put it in the Ultrabay and the main drive slot was populated by SSD's, which I fell in love with on day one.

@linux2mac: BTW, you shouldn't have to wait much longer for the MBA refresh. Supposedly next month, July at the latest, we should see Sandy Bridge all over those gorgeous MBA's. I SO can't wait for next month with all the goodies in the pipeline. :D
 
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Are you sure the guy isnt just stopping the release of blu ray due to the higher cost of development as well as the fact that a blue ray player will eat through the battery quicker and it could cause the machine to get more heated so they have to think of cooling, maybe they would prefer to wait and work these things out rather than doing what xbox did and rush and ship a product that kept over heating and malfunctioning, I like Apple products and I appreciate the fact that they design there products so well. be patient geeks of the world.
 
Exactly! Before I switched "to the Mac", I had owned nothing but ThinkPad's for eleven (11) years, which I quite enjoyed until Lenovo took over and quality went to hell

I have two ThinkPad's, a T60 and a T410, both of which IMO are very well built when compared to most mainstream Windows laptops. I still like my uMBP the most though.
 
If anyone has an external blu drive, I heard XBMC plays the blu ray files. Just have to locate them on the disk. Anyone tried that out of curiosity?
 
If anyone has an external blu drive, I heard XBMC plays the blu ray files. Just have to locate them on the disk. Anyone tried that out of curiosity?
I tried XBMC a few days ago with an internal BD burner in a Mac Pro. It plays Blu-ray movies that I burned, and it plays ripped Blu-ray movies off a HDD, but won't play a commercial Blu-ray movie straight from disc without streaming it first via something such as MakeMKV. VLC does this as well, and I think is less clumsy, but then I'm more familiar with VLC.
 
I have two ThinkPad's, a T60 and a T410, both of which IMO are very well built when compared to most mainstream Windows laptops. I still like my uMBP the most though.

Yup! MBP FTW! :D I still have my T60p w/ UXGA and AFFS S-IPS display. Now THAT's a screen! The closest thing to "Retina" - type quality on a laptop. I hope the MBP's will finally have IPS as well!
 
This article brings up a good question: where is the Blu-Ray version of the XBOX? Let's face it, with ZERO software being sold in Blu-Ray format, it makes less sense to have Blu-Ray on your PC versus on something hooked to your home entertainment system.

The author of that article either (a) just graduated from college, (b) has ADD, (c) has amnesia, or (d) is ignorant of the subject matter. Microsoft supported Blu-Ray's losing competitor, HD-DVD. They even had an HD-DVD drive for XBox 360 (and it works with a PC too).

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No software was made available on HD-DVD either.

Microsoft is just jilted because it lost the format war. Naturally, HD-DVD featured Microsoft technology for the menus and interactivity, which was replaced by BD-J in Blu-Ray. So Microsoft lost out on a lot of potential patent revenue. Eventually MS will come around to Blu-Ray once its hurt feelings subside.

And if you think Microsoft is visionary for not supporting Blu-Ray, well, this is the same company that shipped consoles with 20gb hard drives and didn't support HDMI because they didn't see a need for it (oops).

We are at the stage now where very little software requires a BD-ROM for distribution. However, Apple's high end products are among the software that would benefit -- Final Cut Studio requires 7 DVDs and Logic Studio requires 9, IIRC. It would be much nicer to have it on one or two BDs. If you would like to download 60GB of content from the Mac App Store, be my guest.

But none of this should surprise you unless you just arrived from Mars. I remember when very little software required a CD and it shipped on floppies. I remember when people scoffed at CD based game systems, after all a cartridge holds enough, right? I then remember the PS2 came out and none of the games actually used DVDs, they got by fine with normal CDs. I remember almost no software being on DVDs, people only had them for movies. Any of this sound familiar?

Then something funny happens. Someone pushes the envelope. Someone takes advantage of the extra space -- for higher quality in-game video, for more game levels, to eliminate disc swaps. It happened for CD. It happened for DVD. It will happen for Blu-Ray.

I remember OS/2 coming on 23 floppy disks and then they adopted CD distribution.

I remember video games coming on cartridges and stacks of floppies. I think Wing Commander was 5 floppies.

I remember, was it Myst, being the first big game on CD?

I remember, was it Final Fantasy, being the first console game to need a DVD.

Right now I see Apple software requiring a stack of DVDs. I see games becoming more and more complex and taking more space. I see that the copy of Mass Effect 2 for the XBox 360 I just bought requires two game discs. I see Microsoft just pushed out an XBox system update that introduces a new hack to the DVD file system to squeeze out an extra 1GB from a disc. Why do you suppose they are introducing a risky new firmware hack to squeeze a little extra space from a DVD? Hmm, perhaps they are running out of space. I remember when they did a similar trick for the floppy -- it signaled the end.

See where this is going?

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Would BD quality really be worth it to watch on a 11" MBA ( I am looking to upgrade my current laptop at next 11" MBA refresh)? I am all about traveling light given that I am on the road 6 months out of the year.

Well, the display is 1366x768 and that's 3 times as many pixels as a DVD can give. So you tell me, sounds like it would be worth it.

Personally, I'd rather not have to (re)buy a 2nd copy of something I already own on Blu-Ray (you know, for proper watching in a home theater) just to watch it on a MacBook or iDevice. But if you like buying things multiple times, be my guest, and make sure to get the MacBook Air with built in 3G since you don't like carrying extra stuff ;) Oh wait, Apple doesn't offer any laptops with built in 3G. Dongle time!
 
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Exactly! Before I switched "to the Mac", I had owned nothing but ThinkPad's for eleven (11) years, which I quite enjoyed until Lenovo took over and quality went to hell, but that's for another never-ending thread.

Me too, I was a big Thinkpad fan. Still have 'em on the PC side, an X60, a T61p, and an R60. The first expensive laptop I ever bought for myself was an A22p, which I still have and it still works. Generation to generation the quality goes down slightly, but when you put the A22p next to the R60, what a drop in solidity and feel.

One thing I absolutely loved was the Ultrabay drive caddy. Every time I got a new ThinkPad, the first thing was to remove the optical drive, including my two most recent ThinkPad's with Bluray burners. lol...The other thing I did was pull whatever hard drive came with it and put it in the Ultrabay and the main drive slot was populated by SSD's, which I fell in love with on day one.

Thinkpad's got the Ultrabay right, but Apple will never adopt it, or a docking architecture either. Apple doesn't even want you accessing the battery for crying out loud, you think they're going to have a modular drive bay?

On the subject of SSDs and declining Thinkpad quality, Lenovo *lied* on its specs for the T61p and they limit SATA disks to SATA I speed (150mbps) which was quite disappointing to find out when I put in an SSD. * It is fixable with custom hacked firmware to enable SATA II speeds, but BOO LENOVO.
 
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On the PC side, Microsoft supports Blu-ray on its Windows operating system, but Microsoft doesn’t make PCs. It does make the Xbox, so it’s interesting to note that, when it comes to selling computing hardware, Microsoft and Apple are on the same page. Blu-ray hardware licensing must be a "bag of hurt" for Microsoft, too.

In to order believe that writers completely asinine theory you have to ignore the fact that he is comparing a 2,000 dollar laptop to 200 dollar video game system. You also have to ignore that he is comparing a portable device with a stationary device. You also have to ignore (minus a few games) that DVD has enough storage for games produced for the 360.

The writer is obviously also in the camp of those who are to stupid to understand that not all 720p and 1080p is equal and that just because it says it is HD does not mean it is full HD.
 
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Well, the display is 1366x768 and that's 3 times as many pixels as a DVD can give. So you tell me, sounds like it would be worth it.

Personally, I'd rather not have to (re)buy a 2nd copy of something I already own on Blu-Ray (you know, for proper watching in a home theater) just to watch it on a MacBook or iDevice. But if you like buying things multiple times, be my guest, and make sure to get the MacBook Air with built in 3G since you don't like carrying extra stuff ;) Oh wait, Apple doesn't offer any laptops with built in 3G. Dongle time!

I understand what you are saying about the 11" MBA screen resolution. But adding an optical drive ( BD or DVD) would defeat the purpose of my goal of traveling as light as possible. I can't wait to get rid of this bulky 13" MBP and useless optical drive. Also, I don't think I will need an Air with 3G as my MBP also lacks 3G.

BTW - I finally finished the BSG series. All I can say is that last episode left me "flummoxed" like Steve's competitors. WTH was that all about? Parts 1 & 2 of the last episode were intense - and then part 3?? Oh well, overall it was an excellent series.
 
This article brings up a good question: where is the Blu-Ray version of the XBOX? Let's face it, with ZERO software being sold in Blu-Ray format, it makes less sense to have Blu-Ray on your PC versus on something hooked to your home entertainment system.
Not to pile on but that is one of the most uniformed articles I've ever read.


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I don't watch movies on a laptop. I have a 92" screen in my home theater to serve my movie viewing needs. That would be like going from steak to hamburger for me.
I love steak, but I also love hamburgers. I've even been known to add an egg and onion ring to both options!

Maybe the problem with our times is that we all want everything our way, and have no tolerance for anything different from what we think is best. Why else would there be an argument against a choice that doesn't hurt anyone else? You hope optical drives are eliminated, but that hurts others. I don't hope that your home theater projector bulb stops being manufactured, and leaves you looking for other options when it finally burns out.

Why would anyone hope for obsolescence? Isn't that what you're doing here?:(
 
I see games becoming more and more complex and taking more space. I see that the copy of Mass Effect 2 for the XBox 360 I just bought requires two game discs. I see Microsoft just pushed out an XBox system update that introduces a new hack to the DVD file system to squeeze out an extra 1GB from a disc. Why do you suppose they are introducing a risky new firmware hack to squeeze a little extra space from a DVD? Hmm, perhaps they are running out of space. I remember when they did a similar trick for the floppy -- it signaled the end.

See where this is going?

Well, the display is 1366x768 and that's 3 times as many pixels as a DVD can give. So you tell me, sounds like it would be worth it.

So we need Blu-Ray for better video games.

You also have to ignore (minus a few games) that DVD has enough storage for games produced for the 360.

So we don't need Blu-Ray for better video games?

Not to pile on but that is one of the most uniformed articles I've ever read.

Please expound, because right now my head is spinning.

How do you get that screen into your carry-on luggage?

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