So buy them. There are plenty of ps3 games available for download. I downloaded Infamous from psn (after renting it from gamefly actually) and I know other games are similarly available (LBP). I'm not referring to the "arcade" games, those smaller, $10 games but rather full retail games.
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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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So buy them. There are plenty of ps3 games available for download. I downloaded Infamous from psn (after renting it from gamefly actually) and I know other games are similarly available (LBP). I'm not referring to the "arcade" games, those smaller, $10 games but rather full retail games.
It would be nice if Uncharted 3 is available as a download. I would cancel my Amazon pre-order in a heart beat. The jewel cases just add unwanted clutter I can do without.
It is what it is, but I am going to have to give greater weight to the suggestion of a legendary game developer who was #10 on Time Magazine's list of 50 Most Influential People in Technology (1999). Anyone here been on that list lately?
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Use your old discs to protect your sweet home theater!
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Consider ditching the jewel boxes and putting the discs in something like:
Since it's a standard 3-ring binder size, you can use other 3 ring inserts to hold the "cover art" and other info if you want.
Much more compact than jewel boxes, and cheap.
If my company paid for an OC-3 internet link to my home, I'd probably be more amenable to downloads as well.
But, like the vast majority of people, my link is far slower than that. Downloading a 20 GB game wouldn't be feasible - the physical copy would arrive through the mail faster, and give me a backup.
I don't mind about forgetting bluray and going diskless for my media and entertainment systems. But the problem now is Internet connection. I pay $60 monthly for lousy 1 Mbps connection on my country. I can barely watch 480p Youtube with no hiccup and stutter at all.
What can a 1Mbps connection do? Downloading 4GB file need around 10 hours!! Now I don't like iTunes movies, $20 for crappy 720p with so-called dolby surround which barely 5.1 at all?? No thank you. I don't care what you're saying but torrent mkv can do much better than that with the same file size.
Downloading a 20GB file of bluray video takes around 50 hours on my home!! At least we need 10Mbps connection to make this diskless future feasible and worth it.
And for me, collecting physical media is much more compelling, I get the nice cover, nice case on collector edition and also hassle free, just forget the crappy DRM and plug my movies wherever and whenever I need to. Any bluray player would suffice, no need for "5 computer limitation"
At least they can start with distributing via flash disk instead of optical media. A fully digital distribution method is not possible at the moment. Maybe for you in US, Korea, Japan which has faster internet connection than a flash disk transfer rate, but for the rest of the world?
What can a 1Mbps connection do? Downloading 4GB file need around 10 hours!! Now I don't like iTunes movies, $20 for crappy 720p with so-called dolby surround which barely 5.1 at all?? No thank you. I don't care what you're saying but torrent mkv can do much better than that with the same file size.
Downloading a 20GB file of bluray video takes around 50 hours on my home!! At least we need 10Mbps connection to make this diskless future feasible and worth it.
And for me, collecting physical media is much more compelling, I get the nice cover, nice case on collector edition and also hassle free, just forget the crappy DRM and plug my movies wherever and whenever I need to. Any bluray player would suffice, no need for "5 computer limitation"
At least they can start with distributing via flash disk instead of optical media. A fully digital distribution method is not possible at the moment. Maybe for you in US, Korea, Japan which has faster internet connection than a flash disk transfer rate, but for the rest of the world?
broadband in the US is third world for most
Don't confuse the speeds that a few pockets of densely-populated cities in the US have with the US as a whole.
I live in Silicon Valley, and I have a 1.7 Mbps ADSL line (384 up). The phone company is slowly upgrading neighborhoods, to allow up to 24 Mbps (3 Mbps up).
There's also cable TV service, which advertises higher rates, but is in fact severely oversubscribed so that actual throughput when you want to use it (which is usually when all the other subscribers on your branch circuit want to use it) can be far from the advertised maximum.
I have friends in more rural areas who have parabolic dish WiFi antennae to connect to 802.11g access points a dozen or more kilometres away.
In some future utopia where everyone has an OC-12 circuit to their homes we can dispense with optical media for the most part (we still need to deal with offline access somehow).
Don't confuse the speeds that a few pockets of densely-populated cities in the US have with the US as a whole.
I live in Silicon Valley, and I have a 1.7 Mbps ADSL line (384 up). The phone company is slowly upgrading neighborhoods, to allow up to 24 Mbps (3 Mbps up).
There's also cable TV service, which advertises higher rates, but is in fact severely oversubscribed so that actual throughput when you want to use it (which is usually when all the other subscribers on your branch circuit want to use it) can be far from the advertised maximum.
I have friends in more rural areas who have parabolic dish WiFi antennae to connect to 802.11g access points a dozen or more kilometres away.
In some future utopia where everyone has an OC-12 circuit to their homes we can dispense with optical media for the most part (we still need to deal with offline access somehow).
After years of AT&T DSL I switched to comcast recently (i'm in silicon valley). Highly recommended - speed is living up to its billing, around the clock.
Your zipcode?
Actually, he's suggesting you play the game once it is on your hard drive. Leave the streaming to films (or don't and just wait until the download is complete).
Here is the key quote from QuakeCon 2011 concerning Blu-Ray:
"On the 360 we don't have a partial install option," he said. "It's all or nothing, which is kind of unfortunate. It means you have to install 21/22GB of stuff which takes a long time but if you've got it and you play it on the 360 that's the way to go."
Why is it the way to go? Because not installing the game means latency.
"Once you get everything from memory that works pretty good, but if you're coming straight from the hard drive then the first time you walk into everything from the DVD or from the Blu-ray even worse in terms of total latency time you listen to that Blu-ray churning around as it's pulling everything in," Carmack continued.
Why is it the way to go? Because not installing the game means latency.
"Once you get everything from memory that works pretty good, but if you're coming straight from the hard drive then the first time you walk into everything from the DVD or from the Blu-ray even worse in terms of total latency time you listen to that Blu-ray churning around as it's pulling everything in," Carmack continued.
Winner in latency of traditional 7200 rpm drive versus Blu-Ray drive? In fact, screw the 7200 rpm drive and give me SSD!
I'm going to have to go with Linux2Mac on this one and back the conclusion of someone that is a self-taught (and award winning) aerospace engineer that develops vehicles for NASA in his spare time.
In which case any differences in latency between BD and DVD are moot.
That makes more sense than the earlier implication that network downloads would be lower latency than BD/DVD.
Because I see physical media as an inconvenience, unnecessary clutter, and pretty much dead like Flash?
No, that you think your opinion equals fact.
No, the problem is that he thinks usable downloading exists in this decade. Even Netflix was hesitating tonight, and that was SD. Let's see, was it my connection? Hmm, probably not.
Perhaps it would be best to explain like so:
THE PRESENT (still dealing with physical media and resulting limitations): Load as much of the game as possible onto the drive and off the disk for better performance and avoid latency, in particular on Blu-Ray.
THE FUTURE: Download entire games onto drive and predominantly through web delivery. Skip disk.
*YAWN* Good night and good luck.
I live in a small city in northeast ohio and i have time warner docsis 3.0 cable modem and the bandwidth is 50mbps down/5mbps up and 99.99/month unlimited cap.
And I always get my maximum speed downloading 1080p torrents. Most 1080p movies are between 8-15gb so say they are 15gb it takes me about 40 minutes to download a 15gb 1080p movie. The x264 codec .mkv 1080p movies are very close to uncompressed blu ray quality. So close that it makes ever buying a blu ray pointless when i can go on my private invite only torrent tracker and get every movie for free many in 1080p before its even released to the public.
Storage is so dirt cheap its really a non issue. Internally I have a 1.5TB drive and a 2TB drive as well as a 300GB intel SSD. Externally i have a 2TB desktop hdd and a 1tb usb powered portable hdd. In total I have 6.8TB but to be fair my internal 1.5TB is used to backup my 1.1TB flac collection and the remaining space will be used as I get more music. My music is irreplaceable as its not easy building ratio on music torrent trackers and I dont have enough upload credit to just replace it. So I have 4.8TB of unique hdd space which is still more than enough space for all the 1080p movies i want.
As for streaming services wow the quality of video and audio from streaming is GARBAGEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! I've tried it out on my 59 inch samsung plasma and it looks like poop compared to a 1080p .mkv torrent. Streaming is not going to replace local storage even in 10 years i dont think it will. hdd storage of 1080p video will rule for a long time, a long long time.
I've talked to time warner asking when 100mbps/10mbps will become available as docsis 3.0 cable can easily provide this and they said no date is set in stone but it will eventually be coming and when that comes 1080p movies will only take 15-20 mins to download.
People that actually like streaming movies from hulu and the likes really have no idea what quality hd video should look like. Streaming video is completely subpar especially the ones you pay money for. You are paying money for an inferior video quality when you could be downloading high quality torrents for free. Basically, my opinion is anyone that pays for music or movies are suckersssss but im glad these suckers are out there so companies keep making movies and music so they make money. If you suckers didnt pay for content there would be none so thank you for that.
Tech-savvy folks have known since the 1970s that you load data onto internal / fastest hardware. You sound like someone who has only just learned this.
Why would you mistakenly think you can't load entire games onto a drive in the present? Your argument makes no sense.
Drink more water and get proper exercise, and you might not be so sleepy and lost. You gain nothing by trying to convince people that disc media is bad. Spend your money on streaming and feel proud of yourself, but know that you stand eye to eye with us all... not one inch higher.
That link has nothing to do with this discussion, i.e. BD on the Mac. You can read, no?
95008. AT&T refused to sell me uverse Internet-only, so I gave up on them. I don't want their stupid tv service. (I use Dish). When they added download caps there was no longer any reason for me to stick with them other than my house needing to be required (though the same would be true of uverse). Comcast was willing to sell me just what I wanted, let me supply my own modem, etc. I pay for 20/2? and get 30/5 consistently. Sometimes upload drops to 2.
So legendary game developer John Carmack was right on the money on why it's better for games to not be restricted by a physical disc? Imagine that coming from a person #10 on Time Magazine's top 50 list of most influential people in technology?
And that means Steve Jobs wasn't off base either on page 1.
"And the downloadable movie business is rapidly moving to free (Hulu) or rentals (iTunes) so storing purchased movies or TV shows is not an issue."
MacRumors & Fitness does have a nice ring to it.
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I swear this thread needs to die...do we really need to argue? Blu-Ray isn't happening, Apple is already beginning the death of the optical drive.
I swear this thread needs to die...do we really need to argue? Blu-Ray isn't happening, Apple is already beginning the death of the optical drive.
I think you meant to say that Apple is already beginning the death of the optical drive on its line of products.
Which could also mean that the death of Apple is already beginning....
(Meant as the "death of Apple as a player in the computer business".... The Itoys business may remain healthy, even though you will need a Windows 8 system to sync your Itoy.)
Wow, I thought this thread might die off after the Mac Mini lost it's optical drive, but it's still going strong...
As for Steve's original assertion that discs would die off and be replaced by downloads, this recent EMA report says quite the contrary:
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/research/ema-disc-still-has-life-24772
According to the report, 42% of all consumer video spending comes from DVD and Blu-ray. It also mentions that Blu-ray spending has increased 53% since 2009.
I just don't see Steve's prediction coming true anytime soon, especially when Blu-ray Awareness Month is just around the corner. And by that I mean the Star Wars films are going to look incredible in 1080p...
As for Steve's original assertion that discs would die off and be replaced by downloads, this recent EMA report says quite the contrary:
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/research/ema-disc-still-has-life-24772
According to the report, 42% of all consumer video spending comes from DVD and Blu-ray. It also mentions that Blu-ray spending has increased 53% since 2009.
I just don't see Steve's prediction coming true anytime soon, especially when Blu-ray Awareness Month is just around the corner. And by that I mean the Star Wars films are going to look incredible in 1080p...
Not likely. Again Apple will be innovating by cutting the cord required to sync their "iToys."
Apple's iCloud enables automatic, wireless syncing between devices
http://www.gizmag.com/apple-unveils-icloud/18823/
iCloud and wireless syncing would be a lot more appealing to me if Apple would get with the program on 4G
Apparently that was not a hindrance to Apple winning the global smartphone crown last month.
Apple wins global smartphone crown, Nokia now 3rd
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20085416-94/apple-wins-global-smartphone-crown-nokia-now-3rd/
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