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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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linux2mac said:
Not likely. Again Apple will be innovating by cutting the cord required to sync their "iToys."

Apple's iCloud enables automatic, wireless syncing between devices
http://www.gizmag.com/apple-unveils-icloud/18823/
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Yes, we're all eagerly awaiting this vaporware called Icloud.

It's interesting, though, that it seems to copy a number of features that Android has had for quite some time. I thought that "copying" wasn't called "innovating" if some other company is doing it.
 
linux2mac said:
Apparently that was not a hindrance to Apple winning the global smartphone crown last month.
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No it wasn't, but with iCloud the data connection is going to be used more frequently, and I imagine the speed limitation of 3G will become more apparent going forward...
 
linux2mac said:
I will have to agree with Mr. Carmack. As an added bonus to removing the physical element from games, I will no longer have to rely on Amazon's "Release-Date-Delivery." I can just download the games the same day they are out just like I downloaded Lion ( I am really liking Lion a lot especially sans that hack called Flash). :D
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I don't know, you have to download games for the newer PSP and that's been a disaster.

You can install XBox games to your hard disk but it takes like 45 minutes to copy and you still need the original game disc to play, as a check that you legally own it.

Then there's the fact that MS's proprietary hard drives are expensive and nowhere near the latest storage capacities. The largest now is 250gb, before that 120, and I think it launched with none, 20, or 60. You can eat up your entire hard drive with just a few games, not to mention movie downloads and music that may live there too. It might be eased if they allow you to buy your own normal drive off the shelf and use it like the PS3 does, but I won't hold my breath because Microsoft like Apple likes selling overpriced hardware.

I bought a game for the XBox 360 a few months ago that ships on 2 DVDs; I'm assuming they are DVD-9s so that would be 18GB of data. Gran Turismo 5 on the PS3 is a dual layer Blu-Ray so it's potentially up to 50GB. You want to be downloading that and storing it on your hard drive? Buy a few games and watch a few movies and you've eaten up Comcast's 250gb/mo cap and filled up your 360's hard drive.

Not to mention you've completely eliminated the secondary market. Tire of a game and want to trade it in? Too bad. Want to lend it to a friend? Too bad. Gamefly? Too bad. Want a game that's out of production? Too bad.

Some games today have a hybrid approach -- like the Call of Duty Series, they come out with expansion packs every few months, which you download. But good luck downloading in less than an hour on launch day, and it still requires the original game.
 
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GregAndonian said:
Wow, I thought this thread might die off after the Mac Mini lost it's optical drive, but it's still going strong...


As for Steve's original assertion that discs would die off and be replaced by downloads, this recent EMA report says quite the contrary:

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/research/ema-disc-still-has-life-24772

According to the report, 42% of all consumer video spending comes from DVD and Blu-ray. It also mentions that Blu-ray spending has increased 53% since 2009.

I just don't see Steve's prediction coming true anytime soon...
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I don't necessarily see it happening 'soon' either, although I do nevertheless see it as the likely-inevitable preferred direction by the content owners. As such, this thread is merely debating about timing.

In any case, what piqued my interest here is a potential research topic: as per the above, your link says that 42% of consumer video spending is from DVD+BR ... which is quite a change from a link I quoted within the month that mentioned that physical optical disk sales were still something like 94% of the total. It would appear that either someone is wrong, or each report was using some very different metrics/definitions. Might be interesting to compare the two reports side-by-side to see why they appear to be so different.


-hh
 
-hh said:
I don't necessarily see it happening 'soon' either, although I do nevertheless see it as the likely-inevitable preferred direction by the content owners. As such, this thread is merely debating about timing.
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As a corollary, the debate concerns whether the timing is imminent or many years in the future.

If the latter, Apples won't have access to high-quality legal/ethical movies for many years.

Few of us are saying that BD will live forever, but in the near term it's the only legal/ethical way to get high-quality 1080p feature movies.

In the far future when everyone has fibre to their homes, we'll look back at optical discs like we look at the original Apple cassette tape drive...
 
I think apple lost out on a real opportunity here. With more and more manufacturers competing with apple in all spaces with more options not having industry standard hardware is limiting. Personally I was hoping for a SandyBridge blu ray 15" MBP. Now I am going to spend that money on a new Sony Z. Apple has marched to the beat of their own drum with good success but I imagine that I am not the only one now looking elsewhere for hardware. Recent reports have windows 7 being ob 40% of computers this year and the fastest adopted os of all time. Apple won't care but I think they really could have moved way more hardware thus more profit if they got on board.
 
-hh said:
your link says that 42% of consumer video spending is from DVD+BR ... which is quite a change from a link I quoted within the month that mentioned that physical optical disk sales were still something like 94%
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Was your article about entertainment as a whole, or just home video? This one focuses on the big picture, and includes things like movie theaters and cable TV, as well as movie purchases...
 
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samcraig said:
I think you meant to say that Apple is already beginning the death of the optical drive on its line of products.
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Which could also mean that the death of Apple is already beginning....

;)


(Meant as the "death of Apple as a player in the computer business".... The Itoys business may remain healthy, even though you will need a Windows 8 system to sync your Itoy.)
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Troll much? And you don't need Windows 8 to sync your "iToy". Have you forgotten? iOS 5 removes this.
 
AidenShaw said:
Yes, we're all eagerly awaiting this vaporware called Icloud.

It's interesting, though, that it seems to copy a number of features that Android has had for quite some time. I thought that "copying" wasn't called "innovating" if some other company is doing it.
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it's innovating if it's done properly and much better than the competitors
 
jbyun04 said:
it's innovating if it's done properly and much better than the competitors
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I agree fully. Wireless setup and synchronization will give iDevices another big selling advantage. Personally, the fact that my iDevices "just work" the way they are supposed is enough for me. Cutting "the cord" will be an added bonus.
 
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Apple... said:
Troll much? And you don't need Windows 8 to sync your "iToy". Have you forgotten? iOS 5 removes this.
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IOS 5 and Icloud are still vaporware....

It "may" remove this, but let's see what is actually delivered to customers.
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Explain please. Otherwise, you're just trolling.
 
Isn't it obvious?

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Explain please. Otherwise, you're just trolling.
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It should be obvious - neither IOS5 not Icloud are shipping products. They are vaporware until Apple releases them.
 
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AidenShaw said:
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Apple... said:
Explain please. Otherwise, you're just trolling.
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It should be obvious - neither IOS5 not Icloud are shipping products. They are vaporware until Apple releases them.
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Betas don't count? Wow. That's WAY better than just announcing something and not doing anything about it. :rolleyes:
 
haiggy said:
I've never seen a blu-ray disc in person and would never use one personally... I'm getting by just fine without it (I realize some others won't feel the same way).

That said, I think the only reason they don't adopt blu-ray drives is because it would cut into their iTunes sales lol Steve is a pretty smart cookie though... we'll see...
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profits come first
 
"beta" is "vaporware", yes

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Betas don't count? Wow. That's WAY better than just announcing something and not doing anything about it. :rolleyes:
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Betas don't count until it ships to customers. Companies have changed plans, and sent a product to beta testing but decided not to ship.

A public beta like Microsoft uses is middle ground - if the beta is available to anyone to download without an "entrance fee", then it's unlikely that the product won't ship.
 
AidenShaw said:
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It should be obvious - neither IOS5 not Icloud are shipping products. They are vaporware until Apple releases them.
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I think Duke Nukem Forever bears the distinction of being a proper vapourware. :rolleyes:
 
AidenShaw said:
Betas don't count until it ships to customers. Companies have changed plans, and sent a product to beta testing but decided not to ship.
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You mean, Apple could still change their mind about Final Cut Pro X and decide NOT to release it? ;)

(...Oh no he didn't! :eek: )
 
iPhoneFour said:
That's funny because it's true - and if you hold your hand over the screen - you can't see the display! DAMN YOU Apple...
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new apple screen saver, to save space since you wont need them installed anymore and its a dying technology with "sleep" modes and such. set for 5 minutes and soon enough, muscle memory will kick in
 
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