Don't care. Don't buy Blu-Ray. Just stick to online movies even in iTunes, good enough, and easy + cheaper
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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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could see this coming.
don't need bluray tho.
im quite happy streaming vids.
to bad streaming is terrible for sharing
don't need bluray tho.
im quite happy streaming vids.
to bad streaming is terrible for sharing
I myself think of my CD & Movie collection as that, a collection. It's kind of hard to display files on a shelf.
As a graphic designer, I like having the packaging artwork that the discs come in and actually the discs are part of that artwork. Yeah you have "digital booklets", but it's not the same.
This is always a hard thing for me to "sell" to other people who have only grown up with digital music & movies. I don't know how old you are, but most younger people don't really care about packaging. I'm not trying to put those people down, because all they've known is files on an mp3 player.
I just don't like that music and movies have been heading the way that they have been. Fortunately vinyl is making a comeback. I just hope it lasts and I wish it would carry over into CDs and DVDs. I know I sound like an old geezer, but I'm only 29.
Some things never change
Steve is right, it is an unbelievable "bag of hurt" for Apple fans... and that is the way I'm sure he wants it ... through his petty denial.
Surprisingly, according to my welcome box, I last logged onto this site Apr 9 2006 having gone over to "the dark side" by just buying a PC... so do you guys really need to bother waisting your time hating me! ... just watch, hey!
I cannot believe all the hand-wringing and anguish (and the waste of everyones time on here discussing what is such an absolute NON issue in PC land. Steve has done this to everyone here. I have a BD and DVD drive (no big deal!) and can't believe the Apple Mac doesn't.
The time wasted here reminds me of the useless time people spent debating the Megahertz Myth and the G5/Intel augument. Its all BS, a waste of life, and why I dumped Apple.
Steve is right, it is an unbelievable "bag of hurt" for Apple fans... and that is the way I'm sure he wants it ... through his petty denial.
Surprisingly, according to my welcome box, I last logged onto this site Apr 9 2006 having gone over to "the dark side" by just buying a PC... so do you guys really need to bother waisting your time hating me! ... just watch, hey!
I cannot believe all the hand-wringing and anguish (and the waste of everyones time on here discussing what is such an absolute NON issue in PC land. Steve has done this to everyone here. I have a BD and DVD drive (no big deal!) and can't believe the Apple Mac doesn't.
The time wasted here reminds me of the useless time people spent debating the Megahertz Myth and the G5/Intel augument. Its all BS, a waste of life, and why I dumped Apple.
Couldnt have said it better myself!
Digital Downloads are not a viable option fro everyone and BluRay offers a great viewing experience. BluRays are coming down in price already and wit the extortionate prices of DD then its Steve Jobs who needs to to embrace it and the future. Not everyone has access to the very high Broadband speeds that require DD to be successful.
Well, I think there is a lot of Pro Users that actually do care a lot .. apparently Apple doesn't care much about them unfortunately ..
Besides, adding choice wouldn't hurt anyways, most people I know that are interested in HD movies, don't care for iTunes anyways .. so I guess the "lost sales" from them will be negligible.
T.
Steve needs to get out of his little bubble in Cupertino and go see the rest of America. You know, the parts of America where people are still stuck on dial up and can't download movies even if they wanted to.
Steve is just making himself look like a selfish prick with this decision.
Steve is just making himself look like a selfish prick with this decision.
As a developer, I understand that. As a consumer, I don't care. I can stick Wall-E in my drive and watch it, but I can't with District 9? They're both movies. Moving pictures and sound. Pick a codec standard and stick with it. Broken.
So from what I understand, this is the situation with Blu-ray on Mac:
1. You can purchase a BR reader/writer for data storage on a mac
2. You can write BR discs for playback in BR players using software like toast
3. You just can't watch the blu-ray movie on your mac
How do we get around #3? That is the issue. Forget about Jobs and who is right or wrong on this. Look at the technical issues and think of solutions.
If what I read is correct, then the issue is that Mac OS doesn't have the "codec" to do so. Someone above commented that Linux doesn't either and that the problem is that it is proprietary. Let's for a moment drop the debate on whether Apple should pay for its use or not, or the itunes vs. blu ray debate. What can be done for those who want blu-ray to be part of their mac for entertainment purposes?
I'd suggest what is needed is a blu-ray player that is controllable by a mac by firewire sort of the way a camcorder can be controlled through the imovie interface.
We need a blu-ray reader/writer that can do items 1 and 2 above as current burners can. It also needs to be controllable by a mac for playback. The codec is in the player itself. The mac just operates it and gets the video like it would from a elgato TV device. It should also operate as a stand alone player and finally it should be stylish since it is part of the entertainment system.
This solution is for large imacs, or macs connected to large HD TV's. It wouldn't be as useful for laptops on the go unless you want to carry the drive. But then again, smaller screens are fine. I'm thinking of the person who wants the mac controlling their entertainment system.
1. You can purchase a BR reader/writer for data storage on a mac
2. You can write BR discs for playback in BR players using software like toast
3. You just can't watch the blu-ray movie on your mac
How do we get around #3? That is the issue. Forget about Jobs and who is right or wrong on this. Look at the technical issues and think of solutions.
If what I read is correct, then the issue is that Mac OS doesn't have the "codec" to do so. Someone above commented that Linux doesn't either and that the problem is that it is proprietary. Let's for a moment drop the debate on whether Apple should pay for its use or not, or the itunes vs. blu ray debate. What can be done for those who want blu-ray to be part of their mac for entertainment purposes?
I'd suggest what is needed is a blu-ray player that is controllable by a mac by firewire sort of the way a camcorder can be controlled through the imovie interface.
We need a blu-ray reader/writer that can do items 1 and 2 above as current burners can. It also needs to be controllable by a mac for playback. The codec is in the player itself. The mac just operates it and gets the video like it would from a elgato TV device. It should also operate as a stand alone player and finally it should be stylish since it is part of the entertainment system.
This solution is for large imacs, or macs connected to large HD TV's. It wouldn't be as useful for laptops on the go unless you want to carry the drive. But then again, smaller screens are fine. I'm thinking of the person who wants the mac controlling their entertainment system.
I'm starting to get fed up with Apple's attitude. What's the harm in adding support for a well established format? There is no reason against it.
Screw you Apple I'm moving to Android and Windows. Not willing to be apart of your dictatorship of technology any longer.
Screw you Apple I'm moving to Android and Windows. Not willing to be apart of your dictatorship of technology any longer.
True to a certain extent...
But our OS is better than yours
Seriously though - Steve managed to push me away from iDevices thanks to his arrogance and control freakness... Android here I come (soon) !!!
But I am not going back to Windows - even with overpriced mid range hardware and lack of BlueRay it is still worth it compared to WinPC hell... >_<
I get using Blu Ray for backups and why everyone is so upset. For me, I will continue to use my blu ray player (and/or my ps3) to watch the HD movies. I do have my mac mini hooked up to my tv for my digital content but as long as there are players out there, I am happy.
He's doing a lot of things right, but not all of them.
Apple and movies/TV hasn't worked out so far, and I doubt that it ever will with their current strategy. They'll have to buy their way into the business since no one wants to give up their profits in favour of Steve, which is the only way Apple does cooperations..
As the owner of a front projection home theater system and several large screen TVs, I'm here to tell you that 720p just doesn't cut it at screen sizes greater than 50". That being said, I don't need my Mac to play BDs. However, since BD is the only realistically available medium for 1080p high def video, I rent/buy most movies on BD...there's no way around that in the near term. It sure would be nice to be able to use my Mac natively to rip the BDs I do own for use on my portable devices. Apple evidently wants me to buy movies I already own again for use on portable devices. Fortunately, there are ways around this (RipBot264 and AnyDVD HD in Win7 through Parallels, for one), but the fact remains that for many consumers, BD will be the preferred choice until 1080p movies are reliably and consistently available for download.
I totally agree with you. What happened to the cool Apple? I miss the days when Apple was the underdog and actually cared about their customers.
Install Make MKV, then open a disc and launch the streaming server. Open that stream in VLC and you have Blu-ray disc playback on Macs. But it requires a pretty beefy Mac. I have a quad core, but high frequency dual core may work.
Congratulations. You have been nominated for the outstanding carbon footprint of the year award 2010.
Very right. And then there's people like me who like to watch movies in their original language with optional Subtitles. This language preference thing is something which gets underestimated big time by many american companies in many fields. The movies that get sold on iTunes in germany are sometimes available in "original" language as well. Turns out that this means that instead of german you get english. Always. Even for films that are originally french
For me for example, it's great to be able to watch a japanese movie or TV show with optional subtitles as to help me learn the language. When i taught myself english back in the VHS days I bought films on VHS from Britain just to be able to have the english version. I knew most of the movies from german TV so I knew what it was about. Great way to learn a language. But alas, no hope for the interested people in this brave new media world it seems.
Don't care. Don't buy Blu-Ray. Just stick to online movies even in iTunes, good enough, and easy + cheaper
Sure - so why not:
Don't care. Don't buy Mac. Just stick to to Windows, good enough, and easy + cheaper
Don't care. Don't buy iPhone. Just stick to Android, good enough, and easy + cheaper
History has shown that Apple users want the very best and are willing to pay for it, I don't understand why Apple reverses their philosophy pertaining to Blu-Ray. I'm not a big Blu-Ray person myself and the only Blu-Ray player I own is my PS3 and just have a handful of discs, but still there are many videophiles out there that want a Blu-Ray option for their Macs. Why not at least give them the option if they are willing to pay for it?
No. There are no menus.
I'm not watching any Blu Ray until there is proper software for the Mac. My burner is waiting unused.
I agree - streaming or downloading is the future, but...
There's one problem: more often than not, the movie is not available in HD on iTunes when the movie is released. For example, The Crazies just came out this past Tuesday in the US, and you can only purchase the standard def version on iTunes. I want to be able to rent or purchase the 720p version the same day it is available for purchase in stores. And I don't care if it's the movie studio's fault - which it is. The fact is, it's a road block in digital distribution. Greedy hollywood is holding on to dear life to DVD and BD sales, and are not fully embracing digital distribution. In my example, MAYBE a month from now The Crazies will be available for purchase. Maybe it MIGHT even be available for rental in HD. But it's a crap shoot. It probably won't be - the standard def might be the only thing that remains available.
Apple needs to work with the movie studios to broaden the availability of HD titles, and also work with them to make them available in a timely manner.
There's one problem: more often than not, the movie is not available in HD on iTunes when the movie is released. For example, The Crazies just came out this past Tuesday in the US, and you can only purchase the standard def version on iTunes. I want to be able to rent or purchase the 720p version the same day it is available for purchase in stores. And I don't care if it's the movie studio's fault - which it is. The fact is, it's a road block in digital distribution. Greedy hollywood is holding on to dear life to DVD and BD sales, and are not fully embracing digital distribution. In my example, MAYBE a month from now The Crazies will be available for purchase. Maybe it MIGHT even be available for rental in HD. But it's a crap shoot. It probably won't be - the standard def might be the only thing that remains available.
Apple needs to work with the movie studios to broaden the availability of HD titles, and also work with them to make them available in a timely manner.
I'm so honored
On a serious note, I could care less about "carbon footprinting". So what, I enjoy collecting CD's & Movies.
I hate all of this "go green" crap. Yes, I try to do what I can to help the environment. I recycle. I try to use the least amount of energy that I can, but I'm not going to stop living my life just to save a few "carbon footprints"
blu-ray
BR movies are awesome, but they haven't caught on for everyone because not only do you need a BR player (which are much cheaper now) you need a TV that can play 1080p. This package is much more expensive than just having your regular computer and downloading/streaming a movie off of iTunes/Hulu/Netflix, etc.
I personally love watching BR movies as there is nothing else that can match the quality.
Netflix has started offering BR and that is one of the best options out there.
Jobs has a point though and in the next 5-10 years, most physical media will probably be obsolete.
BR movies are awesome, but they haven't caught on for everyone because not only do you need a BR player (which are much cheaper now) you need a TV that can play 1080p. This package is much more expensive than just having your regular computer and downloading/streaming a movie off of iTunes/Hulu/Netflix, etc.
I personally love watching BR movies as there is nothing else that can match the quality.
Netflix has started offering BR and that is one of the best options out there.
Jobs has a point though and in the next 5-10 years, most physical media will probably be obsolete.
well...
To each his own I suppose. I buy on average about 8 BluRay movies a month, I have a $7000 projector and a room for screening movies I can say without any doubt that there is no comparison at all between iTunes "HD" movies and blurays. Bluray, quality, picture and sound wise are unrivalled except in the movie cinema. I hope Bluray is around for a long time. Bluray on the Mac? Well, I wish, but besides the 5 macs I have at my studio, I also have 3 PC's which have Bluray and using Encore is almost as good as DVDSP...my 3 cents...
Don't care. Don't buy Blu-Ray. Just stick to online movies even in iTunes, good enough, and easy + cheaper
To each his own I suppose. I buy on average about 8 BluRay movies a month, I have a $7000 projector and a room for screening movies I can say without any doubt that there is no comparison at all between iTunes "HD" movies and blurays. Bluray, quality, picture and sound wise are unrivalled except in the movie cinema. I hope Bluray is around for a long time. Bluray on the Mac? Well, I wish, but besides the 5 macs I have at my studio, I also have 3 PC's which have Bluray and using Encore is almost as good as DVDSP...my 3 cents...
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